Rapture of The Deep

xguardian

Patron with Honors
A Christian experience into The Spiritual Realm (not meant to offend atheists but to share ARC with all)


Young's Literal Translation

Psalm 42 >>
To the Overseer. -- An Instruction. By sons of Korah.

1.As a hart doth pant for streams of water, So my soul panteth toward Thee, O God.

2 My soul thirsted for God, for the living God, When do I enter and see the face of God?

3 My tear hath been to me bread day and night, In their saying unto me all the day, 'Where is thy God?'

4 These I remember, and pour out my soul in me, For I pass over into the booth, I go softly with them unto the house of God, With the voice of singing and confession, The multitude keeping feast!

5 What! bowest thou thyself, O my soul? Yea, art thou troubled within me? Wait for God, for still I confess Him: The salvation of my countenance -- My God!

6 In me doth my soul bow itself, Therefore I remember Thee from the land of Jordan, And of the Hermons, from the hill Mizar.

7 Deep unto deep is calling At the noise of Thy water-spouts, All Thy breakers and Thy billows passed over me.

8 By day Jehovah commandeth His kindness, And by night a song is with me, A prayer to the God of my life.

9 I say to God my rock, 'Why hast Thou forgotten me? Why go I mourning in the oppression of an enemy?

10 With a sword in my bones Have mine adversaries reproached me, In their saying unto me all the day, 'Where is thy God?'

11 What! bowest thou thyself, O my soul? And what! art thou troubled within me? Wait for God, for still I confess Him, The salvation of my countenance, and my God!

The Psalmist is using an analogy of the sound of roaring waters to describe his 'deep' thirst for God. In verse 3 his 'tear' roars a torment to him like Job's friends, "where is your God?" Then he speaks back to his soul which is the source of his tears giving voice unto his fears...and uses the WORD of his Testimony to quell the noise of the waterspouts of despair, and reaches down into the deep of his soul, where his foundation in God's word is a "fountain and wellspring" that he can turn to for faith in his dark hour.

Definition "Rapture of the Deep": Narcosis while diving (also known as nitrogen narcosis, inert gas narcosis, raptures of the deep, Martini effect), is a reversible alteration in consciousness that occurs while scuba diving at depth. The Greek word ναρκωσις (narcosis) is derived from narke, "temporary decline or loss of senses and movement, numbness", a term used by Homer and Hippocrates.[2] Narcosis produces a state similar to alcohol intoxication or nitrous oxide inhalation, and can occur during shallow dives, but usually does not become noticeable until greater depths, beyond 30 meters (100 ft).



There are various levels of knowledge in spiritual matters. There are the deep things of God (1 Corinthians 2:10). There are the deep things of Satan, the depths of Satan (Revelation 2:24).But we have a refuge in the "Secret Place of The Most High"...it is a place we find in the Deep.

In every field of endeavor, there are the deep things that can be studied and learned. However, unlike the study of physical things, the deep things of God are not perceived strictly through the intellect. They are transcendent to human thought and understanding, we must like David say "wait..be still, God is still my help.

It is folly to look to ourselves and our intellect to deal with our spiritual warfare. In fact, God purposely allows the foolish to confound the wise (1 Corinthians 1:27). The wise will be fooled that their intellectual understanding constitutes spiritual discernment.

Spiritual things are not discerned by the natural person who considers things of the Spirit of God as foolishness (1 Corinthians 2:14). To many today, it is foolishness to spend hours every day in the word and prayer, their intellect tells them they will not accomplish "their aim."

We, as humans, are much like computers. Our brain is the hardware. The spirit is the software. The brain is 'flesh' and is programmed to insure flesh survival.

The mind that is set on the flesh,denies the mastery of the spirit. When the sprit is followed as God leads, the order is of the brain working with the spirit. Remove the hardware or the software and there is unconsciousness and the inability to function just as a computer without hardware or without software is unable to function. So where & how do we hear God?

We must go "Deep" to hear his 'call' for Deep calleth unto Deep. He speaks
to our spirit-man, the new creature, the New Man. Scripture announces that "the spirit returns to God." He is our source of life as sure as an electrical device must plug in to a power source and when the device breaks down, the power returns to it's source, likewise ours also.

There is a spirit in man (Job 32:8). This spirit in man is from God. It causes us to have the ability (power/energy) to eat, drink, take care of our body, and interact with others. As well as this spirit works, there is a need for an additional spirit to realize the spiritual dimension.

The fallen unregenerate man follows after the flesh and has no communion to God as his spirit is effectively dead except that the Spirit of God as the creator and supplier still draws and calls for it to respond.

The Holy Ghost co-exists with the spirit in a born again man, as it did in (Job 32:8), which is God overshadowing his own. The Holy Spirit can work with us or to be in us (John 14:17). The Holy Ghost works with us to lead us to faith and repentance unto regeneration. In us after we are born again.

The Holy Spirit is not a separate person. The Holy Ghost is the presence (Psalms 51:11, Psalms 139:7) and power (Romans 15:19, Micah 3:8) of God, which establishes a sound mind (2 Timothy 1:7). The Holy Spirit seals us for the day of redemption (Ephesians 4:30). Although the Holy Spirit is a motivating (moving) force (2 Peter 1:21), it does not push. It leads (Romans 8:14). "And ye shall receive power, after the Holy Ghost has come upon you."

The spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, “…searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.” The King James word “searches” is from the Greek word “ereunao”, meaning to search, examine, inquire. One benefit of the Holy Spirit is the ultimate ability (when one is yielded to the spirit) to examine all the deep things of God. The Holy Spirit is that link for that ability.

When the Spirit makes intercession with the saints (Christians), it is the power line providing beneficial linking between Christians and God. It provides intercession (linking) for us with groaning that cannot be uttered (processes that cannot be expressed in words) (Romans 8:26). This is done according to the will of the Eternal (verse 27), not according to our will. We can pray for anything we want, but the benefit that is given to us is provided only according to the will of God.

But how will the Holy Spirit “tell” you things to come? The Holy Spirit will “…teach…” (John 14:26). The Greek word is “didasko”, meaning to instill doctrine; in other words make things visible.

How does the Holy Spirit speak? Through people. This happened on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:4). The King James “…Ghost…” is the Greek word “pneuma” meaning “Spirit”. The Holy Spirit also speaks through a servant of God, when the servant is delivering a message (Acts 4:31, Acts 4:8).

As our soul thirsts for God, as the hart panteth for the water brooks, it is because our spirit has dried up from it's source through the entanglements of this world, and our warring after the flesh, in our own strength.

But like the software we install in our computer to alert us that our batteries are low and we must re-install our 'permanent connection' to our power source, The Holy Ghost calls for us and our 'soul thirsts" and all the waves and billows of life we put on hold, going deep as Deep calleth unto deep, that we may drink from the river of life and and receive from God the ever increasing "Riches of His Glory" that we may grow in spirit,knowledge and Grace, being transformed and conformed to the image of Jesus Christ.

Rapture of the Deep

When a "Deep Ocean Scuba Diver" plunges into the water, at first through the foam and waves it is difficult to get depth and to go deep. He must struggle with his own 'natural buoyancy (A type of fleshly carnality.)

As the diver swims deeper, he understands that the less of his own breath in his lungs will decrease his buoyancy, and make it easier to go deep. The Water above him and 'on him' now seems to be a 'help'.

It is still light from the world above, but the diver has been told by his teachers that soon it will get darker as the world's light fades. Deeper and deeper the diver swims. The silence begins to bring a peace and confidence to the diver and his breathing is now almost unnoticeable. Deeper and darker, until suddenly, the Deep seems to come alive in it's own wonderful florescent explosion of color and light! The beauty is beyond words. The diver becomes in awe of the Glorious beauty and light.

In a 'raptured state" the diver no longer cares or remembers the world above...and all sense of time is lost. In his euphoria he does not even know that his air tanks have run out of air and he dies before he knows it.
Rapture of the Deep! So it is with us..we need to say to our soul that thirsts for the living God...wait for God.

When we go into prayer, deep prayer, breaking through in repentance for living by our own strength, as we fight the roaring waves that keep us distracted by the deception that we have too much to do to abandon time and surrender to the Deep we can find God. And we come into his presence and like the diver, his (God's) light and glory engulfing us we find that "perfect peace" that casts out fear...and when fear is gone, we are in the moment with him. (PT) No past regrets, no anxiety for the morrow, and time ceases to be.

We can be filled with the Holy Ghost, his breath increases as ours decreases and we go deeper and deeper until we arrive, in "The Secret Place of The Most High." And the Great Physician has us under the Spirit's surgical power, The Sword of the Spirit! And with spiritual scalpel... heals us, and puts a right spirit and a clean heart into us because death to self allowed us to be still... so the Master Potter could remake the clay and remove all the impurities and smooth out the flaws and spots of (withholds/overts) sin, so we will know there is the place of refuge, and that the pattern of our testimony, and our vision of Heaven is established. So we strive for those heights...or rather Depths....Deep Calleth to Deep
 
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xguardian

Patron with Honors
I certainly hope that whoever originated that prayer eventually enlightened.

The Psalmist King David originated it as he was inspired by the Spirit of God. So essentially the Spirit of God is responsible and he points out that " "He who trusts in his own heart is a fool...." Proverbs 28:26

"For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, 'He catches the wise in their own craftiness'; and again, 'The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.'" 1 Corinthians 3:19-20

"...the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:14-15

"The fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God.' Psalm 53:1

"Fools mock at sin, but among the upright there is favor." Proverbs 14:9

"A fool has no delight in understanding, but in expressing his own heart." Proverbs 18:2

"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools..." Romans 1:20-22

"The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning,
But the heart of fools is in the house of mirth.
It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise than for a man to hear the song of fools.
For like the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool.
This also is vanity." Ecclesiastes 7:4-6

"The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but he who heeds counsel is wise." Proverbs 12:15

"He who walks with wise men will be wise, but the companion of fools will be destroyed." Proverbs 13:20

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." 1 John 2:16

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are saved it is the power of God. For it is written: 'I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.'
"Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
"For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men." 1 Corinthians 1:18-25
"...God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;" 1 Corinthians 1:27

"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God." 1 Corinthians 2:12


But of course you are probably more enlightened than God, so disregard this foolishness.:coolwink:
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
I am not Christian but I agree with at least some of what you've said in your post, X.

You wanna know what my Mom (A devout Catholic) used to say?

She said that "Hell" is the total absence of God.
 

xguardian

Patron with Honors
I am not Christian but I agree with at least some of what you've said in your post, X.

You wanna know what my Mom (A devout Catholic) used to say?

She said that "Hell" is the total absence of God.

Yes...also described as outer darkness...God is Love God is Light! Separated from light is Hell...
 

Clarence Rockaway

Patron with Honors
A Christian experience into The Spiritual Realm (not meant to offend atheists but to share ARC with all)


Young's Literal Translation

Psalm 42 >>
To the Overseer. -- An Instruction. By sons of Korah.

1.As a hart doth pant for streams of water, So my soul panteth toward Thee, O God.

2 My soul thirsted for God, for the living God, When do I enter and see the face of God?

3 My tear hath been to me bread day and night, In their saying unto me all the day, 'Where is thy God?'

4 These I remember, and pour out my soul in me, For I pass over into the booth, I go softly with them unto the house of God, With the voice of singing and confession, The multitude keeping feast!

5 What! bowest thou thyself, O my soul? Yea, art thou troubled within me? Wait for God, for still I confess Him: The salvation of my countenance -- My God!

6 In me doth my soul bow itself, Therefore I remember Thee from the land of Jordan, And of the Hermons, from the hill Mizar.

7 Deep unto deep is calling At the noise of Thy water-spouts, All Thy breakers and Thy billows passed over me.

8 By day Jehovah commandeth His kindness, And by night a song is with me, A prayer to the God of my life.

9 I say to God my rock, 'Why hast Thou forgotten me? Why go I mourning in the oppression of an enemy?

10 With a sword in my bones Have mine adversaries reproached me, In their saying unto me all the day, 'Where is thy God?'

11 What! bowest thou thyself, O my soul? And what! art thou troubled within me? Wait for God, for still I confess Him, The salvation of my countenance, and my God!

The Psalmist is using an analogy of the sound of roaring waters to describe his 'deep' thirst for God. In verse 3 his 'tear' roars a torment to him like Job's friends, "where is your God?" Then he speaks back to his soul which is the source of his tears giving voice unto his fears...and uses the WORD of his Testimony to quell the noise of the waterspouts of despair, and reaches down into the deep of his soul, where his foundation in God's word is a "fountain and wellspring" that he can turn to for faith in his dark hour.

Definition "Rapture of the Deep": Narcosis while diving (also known as nitrogen narcosis, inert gas narcosis, raptures of the deep, Martini effect), is a reversible alteration in consciousness that occurs while scuba diving at depth. The Greek word ναρκωσις (narcosis) is derived from narke, "temporary decline or loss of senses and movement, numbness", a term used by Homer and Hippocrates.[2] Narcosis produces a state similar to alcohol intoxication or nitrous oxide inhalation, and can occur during shallow dives, but usually does not become noticeable until greater depths, beyond 30 meters (100 ft).



There are various levels of knowledge in spiritual matters. There are the deep things of God (1 Corinthians 2:10). There are the deep things of Satan, the depths of Satan (Revelation 2:24).But we have a refuge in the "Secret Place of The Most High"...it is a place we find in the Deep.

In every field of endeavor, there are the deep things that can be studied and learned. However, unlike the study of physical things, the deep things of God are not perceived strictly through the intellect. They are transcendent to human thought and understanding, we must like David say "wait..be still, God is still my help.

It is folly to look to ourselves and our intellect to deal with our spiritual warfare. In fact, God purposely allows the foolish to confound the wise (1 Corinthians 1:27). The wise will be fooled that their intellectual understanding constitutes spiritual discernment.

Spiritual things are not discerned by the natural person who considers things of the Spirit of God as foolishness (1 Corinthians 2:14). To many today, it is foolishness to spend hours every day in the word and prayer, their intellect tells them they will not accomplish "their aim."

We, as humans, are much like computers. Our brain is the hardware. The spirit is the software. The brain is 'flesh' and is programmed to insure flesh survival.

The mind that is set on the flesh,denies the mastery of the spirit. When the sprit is followed as God leads, the order is of the brain working with the spirit. Remove the hardware or the software and there is unconsciousness and the inability to function just as a computer without hardware or without software is unable to function. So where & how do we hear God?

We must go "Deep" to hear his 'call' for Deep calleth unto Deep. He speaks
to our spirit-man, the new creature, the New Man. Scripture announces that "the spirit returns to God." He is our source of life as sure as an electrical device must plug in to a power source and when the device breaks down, the power returns to it's source, likewise ours also.

There is a spirit in man (Job 32:8). This spirit in man is from God. It causes us to have the ability (power/energy) to eat, drink, take care of our body, and interact with others. As well as this spirit works, there is a need for an additional spirit to realize the spiritual dimension.

The fallen unregenerate man follows after the flesh and has no communion to God as his spirit is effectively dead except that the Spirit of God as the creator and supplier still draws and calls for it to respond.

The Holy Ghost co-exists with the spirit in a born again man, as it did in (Job 32:8), which is God overshadowing his own. The Holy Spirit can work with us or to be in us (John 14:17). The Holy Ghost works with us to lead us to faith and repentance unto regeneration. In us after we are born again.

The Holy Spirit is not a separate person. The Holy Ghost is the presence (Psalms 51:11, Psalms 139:7) and power (Romans 15:19, Micah 3:8) of God, which establishes a sound mind (2 Timothy 1:7). The Holy Spirit seals us for the day of redemption (Ephesians 4:30). Although the Holy Spirit is a motivating (moving) force (2 Peter 1:21), it does not push. It leads (Romans 8:14). "And ye shall receive power, after the Holy Ghost has come upon you."

The spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, “…searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.” The King James word “searches” is from the Greek word “ereunao”, meaning to search, examine, inquire. One benefit of the Holy Spirit is the ultimate ability (when one is yielded to the spirit) to examine all the deep things of God. The Holy Spirit is that link for that ability.

When the Spirit makes intercession with the saints (Christians), it is the power line providing beneficial linking between Christians and God. It provides intercession (linking) for us with groaning that cannot be uttered (processes that cannot be expressed in words) (Romans 8:26). This is done according to the will of the Eternal (verse 27), not according to our will. We can pray for anything we want, but the benefit that is given to us is provided only according to the will of God.

But how will the Holy Spirit “tell” you things to come? The Holy Spirit will “…teach…” (John 14:26). The Greek word is “didasko”, meaning to instill doctrine; in other words make things visible.

How does the Holy Spirit speak? Through people. This happened on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:4). The King James “…Ghost…” is the Greek word “pneuma” meaning “Spirit”. The Holy Spirit also speaks through a servant of God, when the servant is delivering a message (Acts 4:31, Acts 4:8).

As our soul thirsts for God, as the hart panteth for the water brooks, it is because our spirit has dried up from it's source through the entanglements of this world, and our warring after the flesh, in our own strength.

But like the software we install in our computer to alert us that our batteries are low and we must re-install our 'permanent connection' to our power source, The Holy Ghost calls for us and our 'soul thirsts" and all the waves and billows of life we put on hold, going deep as Deep calleth unto deep, that we may drink from the river of life and and receive from God the ever increasing "Riches of His Glory" that we may grow in spirit,knowledge and Grace, being transformed and conformed to the image of Jesus Christ.

Rapture of the Deep

When a "Deep Ocean Scuba Diver" plunges into the water, at first through the foam and waves it is difficult to get depth and to go deep. He must struggle with his own 'natural buoyancy (A type of fleshly carnality.)

As the diver swims deeper, he understands that the less of his own breath in his lungs will decrease his buoyancy, and make it easier to go deep. The Water above him and 'on him' now seems to be a 'help'.

It is still light from the world above, but the diver has been told by his teachers that soon it will get darker as the world's light fades. Deeper and deeper the diver swims. The silence begins to bring a peace and confidence to the diver and his breathing is now almost unnoticeable. Deeper and darker, until suddenly, the Deep seems to come alive in it's own wonderful florescent explosion of color and light! The beauty is beyond words. The diver becomes in awe of the Glorious beauty and light.

In a 'raptured state" the diver no longer cares or remembers the world above...and all sense of time is lost. In his euphoria he does not even know that his air tanks have run out of air and he dies before he knows it.
Rapture of the Deep! So it is with us..we need to say to our soul that thirsts for the living God...wait for God.

When we go into prayer, deep prayer, breaking through in repentance for living by our own strength, as we fight the roaring waves that keep us distracted by the deception that we have too much to do to abandon time and surrender to the Deep we can find God. And we come into his presence and like the diver, his (God's) light and glory engulfing us we find that "perfect peace" that casts out fear...and when fear is gone, we are in the moment with him. (PT) No past regrets, no anxiety for the morrow, and time ceases to be.

We can be filled with the Holy Ghost, his breath increases as ours decreases and we go deeper and deeper until we arrive, in "The Secret Place of The Most High." And the Great Physician has us under the Spirit's surgical power, The Sword of the Spirit! And with spiritual scalpel... heals us, and puts a right spirit and a clean heart into us because death to self allowed us to be still... so the Master Potter could remake the clay and remove all the impurities and smooth out the flaws and spots of (withholds/overts) sin, so we will know there is the place of refuge, and that the pattern of our testimony, and our vision of Heaven is established. So we strive for those heights...or rather Depths....Deep Calleth to Deep
What you're searching for is beautiful, lofty and admirable. But you'll never find it in Christianity, which is hideous, debased and dispicable. It is built around a delusional psychotic posing as goodness and love, but who is in fact Satan's male hand maiden.
 

xguardian

Patron with Honors
What you're searching for is beautiful, lofty and admirable. But you'll never find it in Christianity, which is hideous, debased and dispicable. It is built around a delusional psychotic posing as goodness and love, but who is in fact Satan's male hand maiden.

Careful...that's called Antichrist:sp: and Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost..no joke! If we don't hear from you soon, you were warned!
 

Ogsonofgroo

Crusader
Re: Rapture of The Deep

I have always been swayed to 'Ruptures of the Derp' as a higher source of enlightening.

But thats just me.

No moar trolling on dis one...... :p


*hangs head*
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
A Christian experience into The Spiritual Realm (not meant to offend atheists but to share ARC with all)


Young's Literal Translation

Psalm 42 >>
To the Overseer. -- An Instruction. By sons of Korah.

1.As a hart doth pant for streams of water, So my soul panteth toward Thee, O God.

2 My soul thirsted for God, for the living God, When do I enter and see the face of God?

3 My tear hath been to me bread day and night, In their saying unto me all the day, 'Where is thy God?'

4 These I remember, and pour out my soul in me, For I pass over into the booth, I go softly with them unto the house of God, With the voice of singing and confession, The multitude keeping feast!

5 What! bowest thou thyself, O my soul? Yea, art thou troubled within me? Wait for God, for still I confess Him: The salvation of my countenance -- My God!

6 In me doth my soul bow itself, Therefore I remember Thee from the land of Jordan, And of the Hermons, from the hill Mizar.

7 Deep unto deep is calling At the noise of Thy water-spouts, All Thy breakers and Thy billows passed over me.

8 By day Jehovah commandeth His kindness, And by night a song is with me, A prayer to the God of my life.

9 I say to God my rock, 'Why hast Thou forgotten me? Why go I mourning in the oppression of an enemy?

10 With a sword in my bones Have mine adversaries reproached me, In their saying unto me all the day, 'Where is thy God?'

11 What! bowest thou thyself, O my soul? And what! art thou troubled within me? Wait for God, for still I confess Him, The salvation of my countenance, and my God!

The Psalmist is using an analogy of the sound of roaring waters to describe his 'deep' thirst for God. In verse 3 his 'tear' roars a torment to him like Job's friends, "where is your God?" Then he speaks back to his soul which is the source of his tears giving voice unto his fears...and uses the WORD of his Testimony to quell the noise of the waterspouts of despair, and reaches down into the deep of his soul, where his foundation in God's word is a "fountain and wellspring" that he can turn to for faith in his dark hour.

Definition "Rapture of the Deep": Narcosis while diving (also known as nitrogen narcosis, inert gas narcosis, raptures of the deep, Martini effect), is a reversible alteration in consciousness that occurs while scuba diving at depth. The Greek word ναρκωσις (narcosis) is derived from narke, "temporary decline or loss of senses and movement, numbness", a term used by Homer and Hippocrates.[2] Narcosis produces a state similar to alcohol intoxication or nitrous oxide inhalation, and can occur during shallow dives, but usually does not become noticeable until greater depths, beyond 30 meters (100 ft).



There are various levels of knowledge in spiritual matters. There are the deep things of God (1 Corinthians 2:10). There are the deep things of Satan, the depths of Satan (Revelation 2:24).But we have a refuge in the "Secret Place of The Most High"...it is a place we find in the Deep.

In every field of endeavor, there are the deep things that can be studied and learned. However, unlike the study of physical things, the deep things of God are not perceived strictly through the intellect. They are transcendent to human thought and understanding, we must like David say "wait..be still, God is still my help.

It is folly to look to ourselves and our intellect to deal with our spiritual warfare. In fact, God purposely allows the foolish to confound the wise (1 Corinthians 1:27). The wise will be fooled that their intellectual understanding constitutes spiritual discernment.

Spiritual things are not discerned by the natural person who considers things of the Spirit of God as foolishness (1 Corinthians 2:14). To many today, it is foolishness to spend hours every day in the word and prayer, their intellect tells them they will not accomplish "their aim."

We, as humans, are much like computers. Our brain is the hardware. The spirit is the software. The brain is 'flesh' and is programmed to insure flesh survival.

The mind that is set on the flesh,denies the mastery of the spirit. When the sprit is followed as God leads, the order is of the brain working with the spirit. Remove the hardware or the software and there is unconsciousness and the inability to function just as a computer without hardware or without software is unable to function. So where & how do we hear God?

We must go "Deep" to hear his 'call' for Deep calleth unto Deep. He speaks
to our spirit-man, the new creature, the New Man. Scripture announces that "the spirit returns to God." He is our source of life as sure as an electrical device must plug in to a power source and when the device breaks down, the power returns to it's source, likewise ours also.

There is a spirit in man (Job 32:8). This spirit in man is from God. It causes us to have the ability (power/energy) to eat, drink, take care of our body, and interact with others. As well as this spirit works, there is a need for an additional spirit to realize the spiritual dimension.

The fallen unregenerate man follows after the flesh and has no communion to God as his spirit is effectively dead except that the Spirit of God as the creator and supplier still draws and calls for it to respond.

The Holy Ghost co-exists with the spirit in a born again man, as it did in (Job 32:8), which is God overshadowing his own. The Holy Spirit can work with us or to be in us (John 14:17). The Holy Ghost works with us to lead us to faith and repentance unto regeneration. In us after we are born again.

The Holy Spirit is not a separate person. The Holy Ghost is the presence (Psalms 51:11, Psalms 139:7) and power (Romans 15:19, Micah 3:8) of God, which establishes a sound mind (2 Timothy 1:7). The Holy Spirit seals us for the day of redemption (Ephesians 4:30). Although the Holy Spirit is a motivating (moving) force (2 Peter 1:21), it does not push. It leads (Romans 8:14). "And ye shall receive power, after the Holy Ghost has come upon you."

The spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, “…searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.” The King James word “searches” is from the Greek word “ereunao”, meaning to search, examine, inquire. One benefit of the Holy Spirit is the ultimate ability (when one is yielded to the spirit) to examine all the deep things of God. The Holy Spirit is that link for that ability.

When the Spirit makes intercession with the saints (Christians), it is the power line providing beneficial linking between Christians and God. It provides intercession (linking) for us with groaning that cannot be uttered (processes that cannot be expressed in words) (Romans 8:26). This is done according to the will of the Eternal (verse 27), not according to our will. We can pray for anything we want, but the benefit that is given to us is provided only according to the will of God.

But how will the Holy Spirit “tell” you things to come? The Holy Spirit will “…teach…” (John 14:26). The Greek word is “didasko”, meaning to instill doctrine; in other words make things visible.

How does the Holy Spirit speak? Through people. This happened on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:4). The King James “…Ghost…” is the Greek word “pneuma” meaning “Spirit”. The Holy Spirit also speaks through a servant of God, when the servant is delivering a message (Acts 4:31, Acts 4:8).

As our soul thirsts for God, as the hart panteth for the water brooks, it is because our spirit has dried up from it's source through the entanglements of this world, and our warring after the flesh, in our own strength.

But like the software we install in our computer to alert us that our batteries are low and we must re-install our 'permanent connection' to our power source, The Holy Ghost calls for us and our 'soul thirsts" and all the waves and billows of life we put on hold, going deep as Deep calleth unto deep, that we may drink from the river of life and and receive from God the ever increasing "Riches of His Glory" that we may grow in spirit,knowledge and Grace, being transformed and conformed to the image of Jesus Christ.

Rapture of the Deep

When a "Deep Ocean Scuba Diver" plunges into the water, at first through the foam and waves it is difficult to get depth and to go deep. He must struggle with his own 'natural buoyancy (A type of fleshly carnality.)

As the diver swims deeper, he understands that the less of his own breath in his lungs will decrease his buoyancy, and make it easier to go deep. The Water above him and 'on him' now seems to be a 'help'.

It is still light from the world above, but the diver has been told by his teachers that soon it will get darker as the world's light fades. Deeper and deeper the diver swims. The silence begins to bring a peace and confidence to the diver and his breathing is now almost unnoticeable. Deeper and darker, until suddenly, the Deep seems to come alive in it's own wonderful florescent explosion of color and light! The beauty is beyond words. The diver becomes in awe of the Glorious beauty and light.

In a 'raptured state" the diver no longer cares or remembers the world above...and all sense of time is lost. In his euphoria he does not even know that his air tanks have run out of air and he dies before he knows it.
Rapture of the Deep! So it is with us..we need to say to our soul that thirsts for the living God...wait for God.

When we go into prayer, deep prayer, breaking through in repentance for living by our own strength, as we fight the roaring waves that keep us distracted by the deception that we have too much to do to abandon time and surrender to the Deep we can find God. And we come into his presence and like the diver, his (God's) light and glory engulfing us we find that "perfect peace" that casts out fear...and when fear is gone, we are in the moment with him. (PT) No past regrets, no anxiety for the morrow, and time ceases to be.

We can be filled with the Holy Ghost, his breath increases as ours decreases and we go deeper and deeper until we arrive, in "The Secret Place of The Most High." And the Great Physician has us under the Spirit's surgical power, The Sword of the Spirit! And with spiritual scalpel... heals us, and puts a right spirit and a clean heart into us because death to self allowed us to be still... so the Master Potter could remake the clay and remove all the impurities and smooth out the flaws and spots of (withholds/overts) sin, so we will know there is the place of refuge, and that the pattern of our testimony, and our vision of Heaven is established. So we strive for those heights...or rather Depths....Deep Calleth to Deep

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EP - Ethics Particle

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Re: Rapture of The Deep

I have always been swayed to 'Ruptures of the Derp' as a higher source of enlightening.

But thats just me.

No moar trolling on dis one...... :p


*hangs head*

I like it! :biggrin:

This has a nice rang ta it! :eyeroll:

We could build a new world around "Ruptures of the Derp"! :yes::thumbsup::happydance:

Derp us all with rupture oh supreme Derp of the uni verse! :p

EP
 

Clarence Rockaway

Patron with Honors
Careful...that's called Antichrist:sp: and Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost..no joke! If we don't hear from you soon, you were warned!
Of all the delusional things you've thus far uttered, you'll never surpass the above! First, anyone who is against Christ, is a good guy and super hero; since Jesus Christ is Satan's senior partner. The history of his religion and the hordes of murdering slime he inspired prove it.
Secondly, the Holy Spirit is of the jewish religion. God revealed it to the Hebrews. It has NOTHING whatever to do with the Shitianity that you espouse. The Ruakh Kodesh (Holy Spirit) wouldn't spit on your filthy false Messiah Jesus or on the pack of lies his satanic followers founded.
Finally, it's Genesis 12:3 that YOU, spawn of Satan need to worry about. I've seen it numerous times..."I shall bless those who blesseth thee, and I shall curse those who curseth thee. The 'thee' being the jewish people. You are the one who God is going to punish, not I. You and a Satanist are one and the same. There's no difference in what you believe. The litany may be different but the source is the same.
 
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Dean Blair

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I am not Christian but I agree with at least some of what you've said in your post, X.

You wanna know what my Mom (A devout Catholic) used to say?

She said that "Hell" is the total absence of God.

That's what my wife has said to me many times in the past. I had not heard it anywhere else.
 
That's what my wife has said to me many times in the past. I had not heard it anywhere else.

Marlowe, 'The Tragical History of Dr. Faustus'.

Meph. Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.
Think’st thou that I who saw the face of God,
And tasted the eternal joys of Heaven,
Am not tormented with ten thousand hells,
In being depriv’d of everlasting bliss? ...
- Act I, Sc. 3, ll. 73-78


Mark A. Baker
 
I told another friend that my Mom had said that, and she said that was a classicly Catholic view.

Apart from the specifics of the jesus myth, most 'classicly catholic views' have pagan antecedents. Even the primary theme of sacrificed man/god myth stems from pagan renewal myths. The doctrine that 'hell is separation from the divine' has precursors in neo-platonism, the pagan philosophic school the christian 'fathers' most looked to justify their own religious practices.

Nor is any of that terribly surprising given that saul of Tarsus was specifically interested in converting the jewish cult of jesus' actual followers to one more readily adapted to broader culture of the pagan world. Saul was actually quite ignorant about jesus & his teachings, although due in part to his family's origins and for a 1st century jew he was unusally well versed in pagan culture.


Mark A. Baker
 

Voltaire's Child

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Apart from the specifics of the jesus myth, most 'classicly catholic views' have pagan antecedents. Even the primary theme of sacrificed man/god myth stems from pagan renewal myths. The doctrine that 'hell is separation from the divine' has precursors in neo-platonism, the pagan philosophic school the christian 'fathers' most looked to justify their own religious practices.

Nor is any of that terribly surprising given that saul of Tarsus was specifically interested in converting the jewish cult of jesus' actual followers to one more readily adapted to broader culture of the pagan world. Saul was actually quite ignorant about jesus & his teachings, although due in part to his family's origins and for a 1st century jew he was unusally well versed in pagan culture.


Mark A. Baker

Agreed. But I also think the friend meant that it's a more Catholic viewpoint than a Protestant one.
 
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