Rathbun does it again...

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I am struck by Marty's recounting of an incident in which, part way through DM's beating up/ kicking/ physically abusing some unnamed person, DM's wife Shelly stepped in and stopped him (DM). Then later she (Shelly) sat across a desk from Marty -- who had apparently already suffered some physical attacks from DM -- and Shelley says wistfully (Marty's adjective):

“what are we going to do?”

and Marty replies with an equally wistful (his adjective):

“hell, I don’t know.”
..... Hell, I dont get it. FIGHT BACK!!
 

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..... Hell, I dont get it. FIGHT BACK!!

Shelly asks, what are we going to do?” And Marty replies with an equally wistful (his adjective): “hell, I don’t know.”

Now for the first time! MartyGate, the missing minutes of audiotape as that conversation continued. It is fairly expositive of paralyzed cult thinking while in the grips of Scn indoctrination. (note: das izt ein parody, ya?)

SHELLY: "Dave said he is going to have you and me both murdered and make it look like suicide."

MARTY: "I don't want to give you verbal data, but that sounds off policy to me."

SHELLY: "Shouldn't we do something to protect ourselves?!"

MARTY: "Let's just do what Ron says and write a 'Things That Shouldn't Be Report' ".

SHELLY: "But......He will do it! I can't sleep! I am terrified! I feel sick to my stomach!!"

MARTY: "Hmmmm, sounds like PTS. Let's take responsibility and get at cause here and take a look at what we are doing that is creating all of that antagonism from Dave."
 
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SHELLY: "Dave said he is going to have you and me both murdered and make it look like suicide.
Maybe, murdered... but one has to make a stand somewhere. Whats to stop him from doing it now. Or maybe DM will show some respect to those who stood up to him.

I wonder how much abuse Shelly has endured?

This is the leader of Scn. now, just as crazy as the last one. Somehow I dont think he will live as long though. The stress will eat him up in some way.
 

AnonyMary

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Disagreeing with someone is treating them badly? What exactly did he say or do to you?

His rants about the exs and the anti's began after I pointed out that fair game tactics and polices on handling enemies scientology began long before Miscavige was born, that it began with Hubbard first, and included the PTS/SP tech handlings of suppressives of Scientology and disconnection policies and directives. He didn't like that at all. He used my comment one thread to begin his rant in another.Go read the blog, Claire.
 

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His rants about the exs and the anti's began after I pointed out that fair game tactics and polices on handling enemies scientology began long before Miscavige was born, that it began with Hubbard first, and included the PTS/SP tech handlings of suppressives of Scientology and disconnection policies and directives. He didn't like that at all. He used my comment one thread to begin his rant in another.Go read the blog, Claire.

That does not constitute bad treatment. You said he treated you well "until". If posting disagreements and rants were abusive...well, I won't say the obvious.
 

AnonyMary

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That does not constitute bad treatment. You said he treated you well "until". If posting disagreements and rants were abusive...well, I won't say the obvious.

It's what he didn't post. If he disagrees and thinks you will distract from his party line, he stops posting your posts. Cutting off communication is disconnection and that is what he's done with a number of ex's. Ask Eldon.
 

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The 'smiling face of socialism' was in Czechoslovakia in spring of '98. Marty and Mike do mange to grin, but, I'm not sure why.

Zinj
 

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Now for the first time! MartyGate, the missing minutes of audiotape as that conversation continued. It is fairly expositive of paralyzed cult thinking while in the grips of Scn indoctrination. (note: das izt ein parody, ya?)

SHELLY: "Dave said he is going to have you and me both murdered and make it look like suicide."

MARTY: "I don't want to give you verbal data, but that sounds off policy to me."

SHELLY: "Shouldn't we do something to protect ourselves?!"

MARTY: "Let's just do what Ron says and write a 'Things That Shouldn't Be Report' ".

SHELLY: "But......He will do it! I can't sleep! I am terrified! I feel sick to my stomach!!"

MARTY: "Hmmmm, sounds like PTS. Let's take responsibility and get at cause here and take a look at what we are doing that is creating all of that antagonism from Dave."

haha - too bad it might be close to the truth (of course these would have been deeply hidden thoughts rather than an actual conversation me thinks :coolwink: )
 

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haha - too bad it might be close to the truth (of course these would have been deeply hidden thoughts rather than an actual conversation me thinks :coolwink: )

As you like it FinallyFree! :hattip:

Shelly marched up to Mark's desk and silently sat down. Her TR's were in, as she faced him a long but very uncomfortable moment. Telepathically, she betrayed a deeply hidden terror that DM's serial physical assaults on S.O. staff was about to be murderously unleashed in her's and Marty's direction.

Marty got it.

He mentally contemplated optimum survival across the Dynamics. While it was quite clear that staff beatings were the "greatest good" Marty wondered to himself whether he should cc his "Things That Shouldn't Be Report" to the police so that he and Shelly might avoid being murdered. But, quickly applying the Doubt Formula, Marty reasoned that it would be a bad, bad, bad overt to cut across Command Intention with his hideous reactive thoughts.

Shelly got it.

Marty sat a comfortable distance apart from Shelly and did nothing. His TR's were in.

Later, when Marty had finished his post duties for the night, he smiled to himself as he delicately retrieved an ancient document from it's protective case. He gently laid the curled and brittle piece of paper down on his desk and began reading it as he had the hundreds of times before.

As Marty read Ron's holy words on the overt-motivator sequence, his mind searched for his own contra-survival acts that caused him to have critical thoughts of DM. Surely, he cognited, murder is a motivator.

Marty clicked his pen so that it was ready to write his O/W's. A profound but familiar feeling of relief swept over him as he began to write.
 

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As you like it FinallyFree! :hattip:

Shelly marched up to Mark's desk and silently sat down. Her TR's were in, as she faced him a long but very uncomfortable moment. Telepathically, she betrayed a deeply hidden terror that DM's serial physical assaults on S.O. staff was about to be murderously unleashed in her's and Marty's direction.

Marty got it.

He mentally contemplated optimum survival across the Dynamics. While it was quite clear that staff beatings were the "greatest good" Marty wondered to himself whether he should cc his "Things That Shouldn't Be Report" to the police so that he and Shelly might avoid being murdered. But, quickly applying the Doubt Formula, Marty reasoned that it would be a bad, bad, bad overt to cut across Command Intention with his hideous reactive thoughts.

Shelly got it.

Marty sat a comfortable distance apart from Shelly and did nothing. His TR's were in.

Later, when Marty had finished his post duties for the night, he smiled to himself as he delicately retrieved an ancient document from it's protective case. He gently laid the curled and brittle piece of paper down on his desk and began reading it as he had the hundreds of times before.

As Marty read Ron's holy words on the overt-motivator sequence, his mind searched for his own contra-survival acts that caused him to have critical thoughts of DM. Surely, he cognited, murder is a motivator.

Marty clicked his pen so that it was ready to write his O/W's. A profound but familiar feeling of relief swept over him as he began to write.

VERY nicely done!! LOL!
 

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VERY nicely done!! LOL!

Ciao FF and thx!

While this seemingly ridiculous "theater of the absurd" parody might seem like an unrealistic exaggeration when considering Rathbun's Scn-indoctrinated mindset, I can relay a TRUE story that closely parallels it.

Close friends of mine, a married Scn couple, left their young daughter and son with a teenaged babysitter. They were watching tv when the sound of breaking glass startled them. Someone was trying to break into the house! The babysitter called 911 and they told them to stay where they were in the basement. The operator stayed on the line while police were despatched.

The terrified kids hid in the basement with the cellphone. They heard police arriving and then suddenly much screaming, commotion and... A GUNSHOT!

I will make a long story shorter. The robber had wrestled with the responding policeman and grabbed his service revolver and SHOT the policeman, killing him. The robber escaped, but was caught eventually.

The parents of the kids later behaved like "Good Scientologists" and told me (unsolicited) that they wanted to handle their kids. That sounded okay, i thought because perhaps there was trauma. But their Scientology training had taught them to be concerned about "WHY THE KIDS PULLED IN THIS MOTIVATOR".

I am not f*cking kidding. Murderer breaking inside their house. Children's lives threatened. Dead cop. A major crime scene. A human tragedy.

But they wanted the kids to "take responsibility" for "pulling in" all this "enturbulation" and pulling in a "motivator".

That's why defenders of the technology of L. Ron Hubbard have no credibility. They are contributing to others blindly walking into the dangerous trap of Scn, one way or another, despite their protestations or "cherry picking" of the tech.

Rathbun, despite his outstanding work in exposing some of the crimes of COB, is still hopelessly lost inside his Hubbardized mind. He now earnestly endeavors to do to others what has been done to him (i.e. to "salvage" people using Scientology). In this role he is no longer an unwitting victim but a profiteering fraud perpetrator.

It is a very sorry state to be in. I truly wish that Marty "Get well soon!"
 
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Ciao FF and thx!

While this seemingly ridiculous "theater of the absurd" parody might seem like an unrealistic exaggeration when considering Rathbun's Scn-indoctrinated mindset, I can relay a TRUE story that closely parallels it.

Close friends of mine, a married Scn couple, left their young daughter and son with a teenaged babysitter. They were watching tv when the sound of breaking glass startled them. Someone was trying to break into the house! The babysitter called 911 and they told them to stay where they were in the basement. The operator stayed on the line while police were despatched.

The terrified kids hid in the basement with the cellphone. They heard police arriving and then suddenly much screaming, commotion and... A GUNSHOT!

I will make a long story shorter. The robber had wrestled with the responding policeman and grabbed his service revolver and SHOT the policeman, killing him. The robber escaped, but was caught eventually.

The parents of the kids later behaved like "Good Scientologists" and told me (unsolicited) that they wanted to handle their kids. That sounded okay, i thought because perhaps there was trauma. But their Scientology training had taught them to be concerned about "WHY THE KIDS PULLED IN THIS MOTIVATOR".

I am not f*cking kidding. Murderer breaking inside their house. Children's lives threatened. Dead cop. A major crime scene. A human tragedy.

But they wanted the kids to "take responsibility" for "pulling in" all this "enturbulation" and pulling in a "motivator".

That's why defenders of the technology of L. Ron Hubbard have no credibility. They are contributing to others walking into Scn, one way or another, despite their protestations or "cherry picking" of the tech. And that's why Rathbun, despite his fantastic work in exposing some of the crimes of COB, is still hopelessly lost inside his Hubbardized mind.

It is a very sorry state to be in. I truly wish that Marty "Get well soon!"

Geez! :ohmy:
 

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FF, Truly sorry if that post was unexpectedly shocking or disturbing.

Often I have to laugh at the absurdity of Scientology and CoS.

But once in a while, in a real LIFE & DEATH situation...the enormity of Scientology's damage to human rationality and behavior comes thundering home. And that's when I have to rant just a little! :D

The Scn couple I speak of I have known I was in the 8th grade. They are upper level OTs, very highly tech trained. And they are the loveliest people you would ever care to meet, intelligent, loving and passionate about their kids and helping others. These are not losers, geeks, criminals, charlatans or con men. They are simply good-hearted, well-meaning people who have been covertly lead into a hideously dark slave chamber of Hubbard's construct.

I love these folks and understand how they think. I lived on planet Scientology for a while myself.

But, like 99.99% of Good Scientologists, they do not "cherry pick" only certain applications of the tech. They download the entire bundle of pre-determined mental software. And Scn's software-from-hell has no "remove" option.

When you try to remove it, Scn removes YOU!

end of rant! :hattip:
 

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... Scn's software-from-hell has no "remove" option.

When you try to remove it, Scn removes YOU!

That reminds me of a fake Antivirus program who scare the user with fake alerts inducing them to buy and install a software that then steal their passwords and cannot be easily removed (forcing you to reinstall the system).



Scientology can be certainly classified as Malware (Malicious software).
 

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That reminds me of a fake Antivirus program who scare the user with fake alerts inducing them to buy and install a software that then steal their passwords and cannot be easily removed (forcing you to reinstall the system).



Scientology can be certainly classified as Malware (Malicious software).

Perfect ML!

There is cosmic symmetry in that the very first thing I read or learned about Scn was Hubbard's theory of the mind being a COMPUTER. Now his theory has come full cycle to a surrealistic surprise ending.

It is altogether fitting and sublimely ironic that after his "discovery" he then systematically went about hacking into trusting folks minds with his "Total Freedom Malware" that didn't provide for nor permit any UNINSTALL.

Who knew that the ultimate "held down seven" was embedded by Hubbard himself.
 

Carmel

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Ciao FF and thx!

While this seemingly ridiculous "theater of the absurd" parody might seem like an unrealistic exaggeration when considering Rathbun's Scn-indoctrinated mindset, I can relay a TRUE story that closely parallels it.

Close friends of mine, a married Scn couple, left their young daughter and son with a teenaged babysitter. They were watching tv when the sound of breaking glass startled them. Someone was trying to break into the house! The babysitter called 911 and they told them to stay where they were in the basement. The operator stayed on the line while police were despatched.

The terrified kids hid in the basement with the cellphone. They heard police arriving and then suddenly much screaming, commotion and... A GUNSHOT!

I will make a long story shorter. The robber had wrestled with the responding policeman and grabbed his service revolver and SHOT the policeman, killing him. The robber escaped, but was caught eventually.

The parents of the kids later behaved like "Good Scientologists" and told me (unsolicited) that they wanted to handle their kids. That sounded okay, i thought because perhaps there was trauma. But their Scientology training had taught them to be concerned about "WHY THE KIDS PULLED IN THIS MOTIVATOR".

I am not f*cking kidding. Murderer breaking inside their house. Children's lives threatened. Dead cop. A major crime scene. A human tragedy.

But they wanted the kids to "take responsibility" for "pulling in" all this "enturbulation" and pulling in a "motivator".

That's why defenders of the technology of L. Ron Hubbard have no credibility. They are contributing to others blindly walking into the dangerous trap of Scn, one way or another, despite their protestations or "cherry picking" of the tech.

Rathbun, despite his outstanding work in exposing some of the crimes of COB, is still hopelessly lost inside his Hubbardized mind. He now earnestly endeavors to do to others what has been done to him (i.e. to "salvage" people using Scientology). In this role he is no longer an unwitting victim but a profiteering fraud perpetrator.

It is a very sorry state to be in. I truly wish that Marty "Get well soon!"

FF, Truly sorry if that post was unexpectedly shocking or disturbing.

Often I have to laugh at the absurdity of Scientology and CoS.

But once in a while, in a real LIFE & DEATH situation...the enormity of Scientology's damage to human rationality and behavior comes thundering home. And that's when I have to rant just a little! :D

The Scn couple I speak of I have known I was in the 8th grade. They are upper level OTs, very highly tech trained. And they are the loveliest people you would ever care to meet, intelligent, loving and passionate about their kids and helping others. These are not losers, geeks, criminals, charlatans or con men. They are simply good-hearted, well-meaning people who have been covertly lead into a hideously dark slave chamber of Hubbard's construct.

I love these folks and understand how they think. I lived on planet Scientology for a while myself.

But, like 99.99% of Good Scientologists, they do not "cherry pick" only certain applications of the tech. They download the entire bundle of pre-determined mental software. And Scn's software-from-hell has no "remove" option.

When you try to remove it, Scn removes YOU!

end of rant! :hattip:
I understand and agree with you that many or most 'Scientologists' buy the kind of BS you've described here, and that they then run it on their kids if they have them.

However, I disagree with your statement that "their Scientology training taught them that" - From my experience, of all the "hard core" scios I knew, it was pretty well only the "trained" ones who didn't run that crap on their kids. I only know of two trained Scientologists who did, and in their case, it was more to do with who they were in the first place and their willingness to buy into 'group think'.

What you're talking about is abominable, and is no doubt a result of the Scientology 'package'...... I'm not a FZer, and I'm certainly not a fan of Marty's, I just disagree that what you've described is the result of Scn 'training' as you you have stated. To me, it is the result of the Scn indoc, which is "effective" because of the "practices" within the CofS and "enforced ethics", not "training".
 

Free to shine

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FF, Truly sorry if that post was unexpectedly shocking or disturbing.

Often I have to laugh at the absurdity of Scientology and CoS.

But once in a while, in a real LIFE & DEATH situation...the enormity of Scientology's damage to human rationality and behavior comes thundering home. And that's when I have to rant just a little! :D

The Scn couple I speak of I have known I was in the 8th grade. They are upper level OTs, very highly tech trained. And they are the loveliest people you would ever care to meet, intelligent, loving and passionate about their kids and helping others. These are not losers, geeks, criminals, charlatans or con men. They are simply good-hearted, well-meaning people who have been covertly lead into a hideously dark slave chamber of Hubbard's construct.

I love these folks and understand how they think. I lived on planet Scientology for a while myself.

But, like 99.99% of Good Scientologists, they do not "cherry pick" only certain applications of the tech. They download the entire bundle of pre-determined mental software. And Scn's software-from-hell has no "remove" option.

When you try to remove it, Scn removes YOU!

end of rant! :hattip:

Don't worry Helluva, nothing much shocks me anymore..it's just when children are involved I have to put a smilie or rant. 4 decades of having that 'technology' ravage the life of generations of a family is more than enough to be surprised at nothing. I was thinking about it today, trying to explain a few small pieces to someone, the end result of lives wasted following a lie. It was almost impossible, the scope is too huge, the destruction too large and far reaching. To watch people justify 'the good bits of the tech' it is hard, having seen the end result of just about every avenue of it's application to life from births to deaths. And it wasn't because it was 'applied wrongly", rather that it was done exactly as intended.
 

Carmel

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<snip> And it wasn't because it was 'applied wrongly", rather that it was done exactly as intended.
IMO, given different perspectives (each with validity), it was 'both'.

Whatever, whichever, when ya look at the 'whole' scene, it is/was sad indeed.
 
That reminds me of a fake Antivirus program who scare the user with fake alerts inducing them to buy and install a software that then steal their passwords and cannot be easily removed (forcing you to reinstall the system).



Scientology can be certainly classified as Malware (Malicious software).

That is one of the best analogies to scientology I've ever seen! :clap:
 
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