Rathbun Public Apology

[Chess]

So it seems to me that qualifying Marty's apology is completely missing the point. If Miller would be a lime light nobody, there wouldn't be a public apology because it would be useless. Public apologies are purposeful marketing, disguised manipulation if you want. Or did anybody ever really mean what he wrote in the liability formula??? Helloooo!

I appreciate Marty's persistence. However, also I couldn't but notice that Marty seems to leave a trail of chaos and destruction behind him wherever he sets his feet.

Absolutely! I get a little perplexed at the almost god like worshiping responses at Marty's blog and elsewhere. Sure there's some good in it - he's taken Miscavige to task hasn't he? But just how much back channel strategy and manipulation never makes it to the same blog - well it can't be there. There's a war on and in war there are casualties.
The biggest horror and trembling fear a tyrant or leader of the pack A/hole has is a peasant with a pitchfork. That peasant can't and doesn't understand the reasons why, all he knows is that he hurts and eventually realises he's been manipulated. And indeed he was! Justify that please?
Looking for those nice fit in the slot logical answers have only limited value when someone works out he's been taken to the cleaners. When the curtain comes crashing down on $cn what defence is best for those that excelled at its survival?
Equality - what a strange concept.:confused2:

 

[Lulu Belle]

I see things slightly differently in that those that were at the 'top' have already made bigger tits of themselves than most of us and now have no choice but to try and move on (with a huge audience watching every move and heckling from the sidelines) and make a living in the real world. Long term staff have lost the most financially important years and once they leave and start to face reality I would imagine their self esteem must take a severe battering.

Marty wouldn't give a rats what we or anyone else thinks about what he is doing (or what he has done) and I can't say I blame him ... his focus is on getting some serious money out of the cofs so he can take care of his family (and himself) and if he can mortally wound COB at the same time I've no doubt that that will be a bonus.



Later when the money is in the bank and he has settled down a bit he may come out with some apologies but they will not be a priority at the moment unless done strategically to assist with the current legal case.

I doubt he gives a damn about the people that got hurt ... he got hurt too and in the real world people don't have to "make amends".

Gotta say...I agree with this.

Pretty much 100%.

They have a baby. They have to live. Marty has married a "never in", has a child, and in many ways has moved on.

I can totally see his number one priority would be the financial means to take care of his wife and his baby.

As much as I love what has occurred with this court case, I have to remind myself constantly that these two are not our personal armies. Eventually, what is the best thing for them to move on with their lives is going to be what they have to do.

 

[Veda]

Marty's been firing intercontinental missiles recently from his blog. I'm sure Davy understands them......


"The Aims of Scientology: Part One
Posted on March 4, 2014 by martyrathbun09 | 212 comments

From a Guardian’s Order converted to OSA Network Order (successor to Guardian’s Office as the dirty tricks and propaganda arm of corporate Scientology):

(Originally written on 2 December 1969 by L. Ron Hubbard as a summary of data concerning Intelligence.)

Our war has been forced to become “To take over absolutely the field of mental
healing on this planet in all forms.” That was not the original purpose. The original purpose was to clear Earth.

The battles suffered developed the data that we had an enemy who would have to be gotten out of the way and this meant we were at war. We, a year ago, identified the enemy or at least his central group. Since then we fight battles first on our own ground, now on his.

Our tactics of offense and defense are based on data. We need data to predict his offensives and counter them and data to use in our attacks on him. We remove his agents and vanquish his troops and we directly attack his central group. That’s sound tactics.

By demonstrating his falsity about us we rehab our own repute. By showing his
sources to be false we get them expended. By showing him to be brutal, venal and plotting, we get him discarded. Our direct assault will come when they start to arrest his principals and troops for crimes (already begun).

Our total victory will come when we run his organizations, perform his functions and obtain his financing and appropriations."

I appreciate Marty and Mike's confirmation of many things that others have known for a long time - not the least of which is that Hubbard micro-managed the key actions and ops of the Guardians Office, and also micro-managed the smashing and looting of the Mission holders.

And I appreciate what new information has appeared by way of Marty, such as Hubbard wanting a super-potent version of the e-meter built with which to blow his "BTs" away, and with which to also blow himself away.

However, his presenting a blog post concerning a portion of Hubbard's 2 December 1969 'Intelligence Actions, Covert Intelligence Data Collection' was not an "intercontinental missile."

Depicting it as that is just silly.

It's a document that's been known for almost 35 years, and on the Net for probably 10 years. http://www.xenu.net/archive/go/datacoll/datacoll.htm

 

[Emma]

i take exception with a few of your statements. People that have risen to positions of power have always and always will be scrutinized more closely. Most don't just fall of a log and happen to rise to a position of authority and power over others. CEOs CFOs and cobs of the business world lead the business world. Sure a salesman or secretary or accountant working hard to do a good job too.... But it is far different than a view from the top of an organization.... Strategizing against your competitor for market place share or getting a new product ahead of the latest trend. Leaders might even use " cut throat" tactics and some slash and burn to get the job done. A temp typist or the receptionist .... Sure same human body type but IMO are worlds apart in potentially harmful consequences due to their actions. There are also many layers of padding / barriers in organization... One is called middle manegment, another the glass ceiling.

I most whole heartedly disagree with any notion of one size fits all .

There is limited "Space at the top". Only one say divisional manegaer over perhaps thousands of employees.

Many have dreamed of future success and planned for and won. Like Conrad Hilton dreaming as a boy of one day owning a fancy hotel. Sad, but millions of others do not achieve some set out goal.

If a company falters or gets into trouble with the law in some way, those investigated are not the mid level guys or clerks ...... It is the leadership. I firmly believe that culpability is not equal. "blame" is not equal. It usually stems from the leadership down. Scientology is completely screwy on this point.

If a company goes belly up and their stock price collapses millions can and do get hurt. But public opinion will pillory the leaders only.

In the real world, organisations don't take 14 year olds & put them in senior positions with no training. Scientology does though. CMO is full of them.

You can't compare a Scientology organisation with a real world organisation. They don't operate on the same logic.

Also, I think it's probably time you looked at your own personal responsibility in all this.

You joined. You stayed. You contributed. But all I hear from you is wanting to blame everyone else. Until you accept your own responsibility in all this you won't recover.

Yes people did bad shit, but unless I'm mistaken no one was holding a gun to your head for 27 years making you stay.

 

[Leland]

In the real world, organisations don't take 14 year olds & put them in senior positions with no training. Scientology does though. CMO is full of them.

You can't compare a Scientology organisation with a real world organisation. They don't operate on the same logic.

Also, I think it's probably time you looked at your own personal responsibility in all this.

You joined. You stayed. You contributed. But all I hear from you is wanting to blame everyone else. Until you accept your own responsibility in all this you won't recover.

Yes people did bad shit, but unless I'm mistaken no one was holding a gun to your head for 27 years making you stay.

I can and did compair Scientology to a real world organization. Those are my reference points and I might add...most of the business organizational world reads Wall Street Journal and Forbes and not the OEC vols.

I don't think you can discuss Scien in any logical manner within a vacuum . I for one need to compair.

Emma, you have opinions and I have opinions. I have opinions on your opinions. You obviously have opinons on my opinions too. But now you are making it personal. I personally would rather you type F~~U to me than what you typed to me above. You sound so scientological typing I must take responsibility.

some of the posts in this thread made me want to puke.

 

[Emma]

I can and did compair Scientology to a real world organization. Those are my reference points and I might add...most of the business organizational world reads Wall Street Journal and Forbes and not the OEC vols.

I don't think you can discuss Scien in any logical manner within a vacuum . I for one need to compair.

Emma, you have opinions and I have opinions. I have opinions on your opinions. You obviously have opinons on my opinions too. But now you are making it personal. I personally would rather you type F~~U to me than what you typed to me above. You sound so scientological typing I must take responsibility.

some of the posts in this thread made me want to puke.

Taking personal responsibility for your actions is not only a Scientology concept. You might have learned about it in Scientology but Hubbard did not invent it. Perhaps thats why you seem to have thrown it out the window, believing it to be Scientology related. It's really not.

Go ahead & blame Rathbun for your 27 years in the cult if you wish. To me thats saying you were never in control of your life or made your own decisions and that you are merely a puppet (of someone). If that's how you view yourself then so be it.

 

[Leland]

Trying to be the best auditor one can be and being on a strike forceStrategying and planning how to smash and take down the Mission Network are and were both Scientology endeavors.......but are entirely different kettles of fish IMO on many levels.

 

[Leland]

Taking personal responsibility for your actions is not only a Scientology concept. You might have learned about it in Scientology but Hubbard did not invent it. Perhaps thats why you seem to have thrown it out the window, believing it to be Scientology related. It's really not.

Go ahead & blame Rathbun for your 27 years in the cult if you wish. To me thats saying you were never in control of your life or made your own decisions and that you are merely a puppet (of someone). If that's how you view yourself then so be it.

Keep grinding on me Emma! I can take it. You must have been one hell of a withold puller!

 

[I told you I was trouble]

I can and did compair Scientology to a real world organization. Those are my reference points and I might add...most of the business organizational world reads Wall Street Journal and Forbes and not the OEC vols.

I don't think you can discuss Scien in any logical manner within a vacuum . I for one need to compair.

Emma, you have opinions and I have opinions. I have opinions on your opinions. You obviously have opinons on my opinions too. But now you are making it personal. I personally would rather you type F~~U to me than what you typed to me above. You sound so scientological typing I must take responsibility.

some of the posts in this thread made me want to puke.

Leland,

You have entered the ESMB game fairly late and many of us have already done our own share of ranting (my anger seems to be directed more at the people that dare to come here to flog their own versions of the tek though, lol) ... but nobody here wants to make you feel worse.

You've dived in, are very opinionated and seem to be enjoying the drama but only when it's going your way ... maybe just take a few breaths and realise that we are not your enemy and relax a bit before you post something you may regret.

Or not ... it's completely up to you.

 

[Lone Star]

Keep grinding on me Emma! I can take it. You must have been one hell of a withold puller!

You are so full of shit. I think you might find the WWP forum more your speed.

 

[Emma]

Keep grinding on me Emma! I can take it. You must have been one hell of a withold puller!

Yeah I was an OK sec checker, but that is beside the point.

I'm not trying to hurt you. I see you looking for reasons "why" and laying blame here & there, but you are missing a big piece of the puzzle. Ask anyone who has truly recovered from their cult experience and they will all tell you that they had to come to terms with the fact that they had been a prized idiot & had to take responsibility for that. They turned a blind eye. They ignored their inner voices. They made excuses. They believed the most ridiculous rubbish because it made them feel important.

You can blame others for that if you like, but you'll only extend your own misery.

Also, you still haven't told me what it is that Rathbun has done that you find unforgivable.

 

[Terril park]

As much as I love what has occurred with this court case, I have to remind myself constantly that these two are not our personal armies. Eventually, what is the best thing for them to move on with their lives is going to be what they have to do.

I'm pretty sure Marty has deliberately taken the role of many peoples personal army.

When I and Ax met him some years ago, the time of Panorama's second Sweeny program, he said that by doing what he was doing he was taking heat off the FZ
in that it was primarily directed towards him. That seems to have been the case.

 

[Leland]

You are so full of shit. I think you might find the WWP forum more your speed.

To bad you can't vote me off the island.

I never worked for the church except for a day or two. I did sign a SO contract, but then was told I couldn't join and never activated. I was an illegal PC and kept my head down and had minimal contact social or business contact with Scientologists. My view point was more from the outside observing into Scientology than inside looking out.

 

[TG1]

To bad you can't vote me off the island.

I never worked for the church except for a day or two. I did sign a SO contract, but then was told I couldn't join and never activated. I was an illegal PC and kept my head down and had minimal contact social or business contact with Scientologists. My view point was more from the outside observing into Scientology than inside looking out.

So you didn't receive any Scientology auditing (or very little), and you weren't on staff.

And you "wasted your life on Scientology" anyway?

Hmmm.

 

[Emma]

I never worked for the church except for a day or two. I did sign a SO contract, but then was told I couldn't join and never activated. I was an illegal PC and kept my head down and had minimal contact social or business contact with Scientologists. My view point was more from the outside observing into Scientology than inside looking out.

But you were a SHSBC student right?

In 2001 the leadership of AOLA And Suzette Hubbard and David Miscavige and others and some celebs spiritually attacked me. I was a SHSBC student at the time. I spiritually fought back against them. I left the c of s due to these attacks. Some day I might write about what happened here. But I doubt it. I believe Rathbun was still in the c of s at the time. So I repeat Fuck Marty and fuck his open letter of apology .

 

[Leland]

You can reread my posts Emma. I wrote that I really don't know anything about Rathbun at all. So for you to continually and repeatedly ask me about why I "blame" or find "fault" with Marty is getting ridiculous . Let it go.

 

[Lone Star]

To bad you can't vote me off the island.

I never worked for the church except for a day or two. I did sign a SO contract, but then was told I couldn't join and never activated. I was an illegal PC and kept my head down and had minimal contact social or business contact with Scientologists. My view point was more from the outside observing into Scientology than inside looking out.

I don't believe in voting anyone "off the island". I just gave you a recommendation.

This place is a benevolent dictatorship. There is only one who has the power to kick you off the island. But she is very slow to wrath and quick to forgive, hence the benevolence of her dictatorship.

In other words she is very un-scientological.

 

[sallydannce]

Yeah I was an OK sec checker, but that is beside the point.

I'm not trying to hurt you. I see you looking for reasons "why" and laying blame here & there, but you are missing a big piece of the puzzle. Ask anyone who has truly recovered from their cult experience and they will all tell you that they had to come to terms with the fact that they had been a prized idiot & had to take responsibility for that. They turned a blind eye. They ignored their inner voices. They made excuses. They believed the most ridiculous rubbish because it made them feel important.

You can blame others for that if you like, but you'll only extend your own misery.

Also, you still haven't told me what it is that Rathbun has done that you find unforgivable.

Yep. True moving on, letting go (whatever language you care to use), involves a lot of acceptance of own inner "blindness". I've called myself every name under the sun, including idiot, dickhead, gullible fool, etc, etc. At the end of the day my willingness to ignore all the gut feelings I had, to shove aside that inner voice, was all my doing and was steeped in my need to feel I was on the "winning team", important, and various other ego-riddled ideas. It took time, patience, a lot of self-love, etc, etc, to move through all that, only to discover...

Chocolate is my Goddess, my light, my everything.

No, seriously what you wrote above Emma is pretty much my experience. Admitting to myself a whole bunch of fairly unpalatable things about myself and then ya move on...

 

[Leland]

TG1 and Emma. You can both read my introducing myself post. It is all there what I did in Scientology. The only thing I had hesitated to post on an open forum was why I was an illegal Scientology.

 

[Emma]

You can reread my posts Emma. I wrote that I really don't know anything about Rathbun at all. So for you to continually and repeatedly ask me about why I "blame" or find "fault" with Marty is getting ridiculous . Let it go.

Uummmmm.....

I don't even know what post Rathbun held in the c of s. Second in command of RTC? But he was A PERSON that held a very high post in the c of s and exerted effort everyday he worked to keep OTHER PEOPLE in line! He was an authority figure in the hierarchy of the c of s and that kept the machine going.

i say he's guilty AND string him . Scream from the roof tops is right. I wasted 27 years of my life due to assholes like him. I had my credit ruined by stat pushing SO mother fuckers. Fuck his open apology letter.

And FUCK YOU MARTY