Really scared

[Voltaire's Child]

Scared Stiff, I work with foreclosures and have for years both as a banking officer and on the trustee side. If you've any questions, plese feel free to ask me.

There are some moratoriums by several major banks right now that run through 03/09/09. Also Fannie Mae has some moratoriums as well.

There are also loan modifications people are working out with their lenders but the thing about them is that the banks are a bit swamped with proposals like that and it takes upwards of 90 days sometimes to get one reviewed and decided upon. So if you can "reinstate" (put your loan back, current payment-wise) your mortgage/deed of trust loan now, then that will buy you some time. There are also "forebearance" and "loss mitigation workouts".

 

[programmer_guy]

Mac,

I was married to an OT 5 years ago. He was in session when the power was turned off. I kindly delivered the notice to him at the HGC and told him "handle it".

There were many times while married to the guy above, that had my girlfriend not been staying at the FH while getting services, my daughter and I would not have eaten.

It happens.

Stories can sound/seem very outlandish. Doesn't make the person a troll. Makes one aware that they are living in hell.

That is correct. I lived it and know it very well.

Your story is too outlandish for me to believe. No food in the house?

I've been there and done that.

I can't believe a dentist would go from a responsible family man to not caring about the electricity and food in his family's home in a few months.

I can believe it.

For example, haven't you read the stories of children raised in Scientology? This is a whole mind-set that you may not understand yet.

 

[Human Again]

Happiness Centered Business

Paddy Lund wrote a great book on how he turned his Dentist practice from a place of great unhappiness to a business that focussed on creating hapiness.

Great Book and I believe Lund has a management system to go with it.

 

[Pamina]

Hi from Roxanne

Some of you here will know me from other lists

All best and
Fond Love

Rx

 

[Dulloldfart]

Hey Roxie,

Or even know you from real life.

Paul

 

[Pamina]

Scared Stiff

Hi, People

Yes, I know I'm new

The reason I joined ESMB was because of SS's story.

Is there some kind of 'first port of call' in the FZ (Freezone) for people like her?

[I understand that now there is now for former SO members, of which I am one.]

If not, should there be?

Fond Love
Rx

 

[Dulloldfart]

The reason I joined ESMB was because of SS's story.

Is there some kind of 'first port of call' in the FZ (Freezone) for people like her?

She hasn't expressed any interest in the FZ - pushing it on her would just be like her current problem. But there is always www.freezonescientology.com.

Paul

 

[Pamina]

Paul

Thanks for welcome

My emphasis was not on *FZ* but rather on *network*, eg as in real XCoS people being willing to help with explanations, advice, referrals, even accommodation etc if needed.

I'd certainly be happy to contribute.

Is there such an international network?

Roxanne

 

[Dulloldfart]

I'd certainly be happy to contribute.

Is there such an international network?

Roxanne

Not that I know of. ESMB seems to function a bit like one, though, as shown by this thread.

Paul

 

[Takin Time]

The reason I joined ESMB was because of SS's story.
Is there some kind of 'first port of call' in the FZ (Freezone) for people like her?
[I understand that now there is now for former SO members, of which I am one.]
If not, should there be?
Fond Love
Rx

Hi Roxie,

I think you misunderstood SS's story. She is NOT a scio. Husband is not a scio. He is a dentist who signed up for consulting and courses with MGE which is run by scientologists who have a goal of getting their customers involved in scientology.

SS is scared stiff that her husband will be sucked into scientology, too.

She is NOT a candidate for Freezone.

Dulloldfart is right. This message board functions as a "support group", too.

 

[Pamina]

Thanks, TT

for friendly response

I hadn't realised the nature of MGE; the video I saw on their approach made it clearer

Good to know that ESMB functions as a kind of support network. Count me in if I may be of any practical assistance in the UK or Germany. A couple of people here know how to contact me.

Take Care
Rx

 

[cantsay]

Im going to have to be blunt here love. Your hubby is an asshole. To get involved with these kinds of people is excusable (they are very very good con artists), but for him to put your family, business and future in a VERY DANGEROUS POSITION without your agreement means you can no longer trust him. He sure as hell didnt give a crap about you or your kids when he spent all that money and put you under all this stress.

Get yourself some money together, and get away from him. Divorce may be the only thing that pulls his head out of his ass right now. Be VERY HONEST with your kids about what he has done. Go to the cops, the press, fraud investigators, anything and everything to get these con artists exposed and get your money back. There is enough evidence on the net to show this management group and CofS are connected.

If he pulls his head out of his ass, comes to his senses and wants you back, remind him that respect is earned (if youd want him back after this). He is putting you through hell and you dont deserve this shit. His staff dont deserve this either, and if they have grounds for legal action they should take it.

This management group is largely run by Scientologists, and anyone willing to go public and cause a hoohaa makes them very very nervous.

Good luck, and may the force be with you!

 

[Tiger Lily]

. . .

 

[ScaredStiff]

done

 

[Wisened One]

ScaredStiff: Find another Lawyer, then! And what your husband just said about how you could let him spend that much money, etc. is pure justification crap! I'm afraid he's being groomed, coached and encouraged to start being more and more defensive to you and anything you now say to him. God, I hate Co$!!!!

And do NOT allow yourself to sit down with ANYone from MGE, Co$, etc! Especially ALONE! They'll do all sorts of things: at first, they'll be as nice as possible to you, cojole you, lie to you, love-bomb you, befriend you, get you talking to them like a friend, etc...then they'll go down from there, try to guilt you, find and magnify your faults. You are a possible threat to talking your hubby out of MGE, etc. you see.

Refuse any communications with them! (MGE, WISE, Sterling, Co$).

And find another Lawyer, asap! YOU can do this!! For the sake of your children!!!

Michelle

 

[Been Done Had]

I am back. My lawyer has changed his mind about meeting with me...

I tried last night to talk to my husband. It did not go well. I am scheduled to leave 2 weeks from today to work on 'course' work at MGE. He flew off the handle when I said I didn't want to go...if I'm so worried about money...how can I let the $7800 just go? He suggested I sit down with those in charge-Winteregg- and discuss my fears.

What? Is he crazy? Is he setting me up?

It is all falling apart.

Wow. So sorry this is happening. Your husband is being coached on how to "handle" you. You can bet he is in constant contact with MGE and may also now have a Scientology FSM (Field Staff Member.) The FSM is a conduit to your local Church of Scientology. He may already be doing Scientology courses and receiving auditing directly.

Check your credit card bills, personal and business accounts and document where the money is going.

Get a new lawyer. Bring all supporting documentation with you, especially financials.

To directly answer your question, yes. You are being set up. Do not go to Florida. You will return a Scientologist. Yes, they are that good.

Your husband is parroting MGE's talking points. Your money is not gone. You can get a refund. You husband will fight that tooth and nail as it will put him in bad standing. I would highly recommend contacting media. A little press has a remarkable effect on getting Scientology to release its jaws.

If your husband is now a dedicated Scientologist (he's behaving like one) you should anticipate a preemptive strike on his part to file for divorce. That will include a declaration that will reflect you in the worst possible light. Just be ready for anything.

I am so sorry this is happening. A divorce is one of the saddest and most profound experiences you can have, especially with children involved. State your intentions in no uncertain terms and force your husband into the land of decisions. He believes with the right canned Scientology script read to you, you will join them. You need to back him into a corner and force his choice.

God bless you and good luck. Call your family, call your friends! Cry on some shoulders. You are not alone!

Sincerely

BDH

 

[Tiger Lily]

. . .

 

[Zinjifar]

I am back. My lawyer has changed his mind about meeting with me...


What? Is he crazy? Is he setting me up?

It is all falling apart.

Yes to both. Find another lawyer pronto.

Zinj

 

[Kathy (ImOut)]

Ditto - find another lawyer.
Ditto - do NOT talk to the people your husband wants you to talk to.
Ditto - you are being set up.

If you're husband has his way, forget life as you've known it. And it's possibly too late already for your life to go back to how it was before MGE.

At this point I'd be tempted to pack some clothes, the kids and find somewhere else to be. But I don't have ALL the information to make that decision.

Wishing you well in this mini-hell.

 

[Megalomaniac]

I guess I'm going against the crowd with this advice, but it won't be the first time:

I don't recommend getting a lawyer. Reason: Love is the missing ingredient, not law.
I recommend communicating with Winteregg and whomever else. Don't agree with them, but do talk to them.
I don't recommend breaking up your family.
You don't have to pay or do course work or do anything you don't want to. Hold your position on that. Demand to keep your family, demand to keep your home, demand to keep your freedom.

Everyone else, sorry. But, cutting communication and breaking up families is what we are protesting, eh? I think YOU ALL are being set up. You're being set up to recommend the very behaviour you hate.

Ready for rotten tomatoes,
Mac