Religion Black and White

[AnonKat]

That particular cartoon about Mormonism is largely correct, it has a few minor errors or places where it tries to fill in holes where there is not a specific Mormon teaching but nothing majorly wrong. One thing about Mormonism that it does not share with many other Christian religions though is evolving doctrine. New doctrine always trumps old doctrine in Mormonism.

What about that Nation of Islam

 

[kate8024]

What about that Nation of Islam

What about it? I'm not sure I understand your question... I know little to nothing about the Nation of Islam so I doubt I could correctly answer your question even if I understood it.

 

[Queenmab321]

What I have shared about my religion is certainly not "shit" as you have characterized it. I believe you may wish to take this as a religious learning experience and address the issue of your religious bigotry.

What I would like to share with you does not require belief because it is provable. Let me recommend you spend just 5 minutes of your time practicing Tripnostica-Ampersandini.

It will bring you untold spiritual bliss and then you will not have to believe--you will know it is the truth.

It just so happens, HH, that I'm posting from the United States where, thanks to our constitution, I have as much right to my bigotry as you have to your shit.

 

[AnonKat]

It just so happens, HH, that I'm posting from the United States where, thanks to our constitution, I have as much right to my bigotry as you have to your shit.

Hint: try Googling that, kind of the new wordclearing, look observe and tell us what you observed if anything

 

[Veda]

What's remarkable is the indifference (despite brief superficial displays to convince otherwise), by the two recently arrived 'Scientology is a religion'-chanters, to the harm done to people, including children, by the religion cloaked Scientology operation, harm that would not be possible without Scientology's religious cloaking.

 

[degraded being]

Taken in by what exactly? I don't believe in thetans or engrams any more than I believe in angels or burning bushes. I simply believe that in both instances one is dealing with religious belief.
If a man tells you the house he's selling doesn't have termites and it does, that's lying, but if a man tells you that if you don't sell all your possessions and give them to the Church, you're going to burn in hell, that's just religion. Caveat emptor.

You seem like a very religious person to me.

 

[Queenmab321]

What's remarkable is the indifference (despite brief superficial displays to convince otherwise), by the two recently arrived 'Scientology is a religion'-chanters, to the harm done to people, including children, by the religion cloaked Scientology operation, harm that would not be possible without Scientology's religious cloaking.

“There are some upon this earth of yours,' returned the Spirit, 'who lay claim to know us, and who do their deeds of passion, pride, ill-will, hatred, envy, bigotry, and selfishness in our name; who are as strange to us and all our kith and kin, as if they had never lived. Remember that, and charge their doings on themselves, not us.”

The Ghost of Christmas Present, "A Christmas Carol," Charles Dickens

 

[kate8024]

What's remarkable is the indifference (despite brief superficial displays to convince otherwise), by the two recently arrived 'Scientology is a religion'-chanters, to the harm done to people, including children, by the religion cloaked Scientology operation, harm that would not be possible without Scientology's religious cloaking.

I'm not indifferent to this but I think there is a right way and wrong way to fix it. Declaring that the Church of Scientology is not a religious organization and that it harms people is the right way. Declaring that Scientology is not a religion is the wrong way and inadvertently harms people beyond the intended targets.

 

[AnonKat]

“There are some upon this earth of yours,' returned the Spirit, 'who lay claim to know us, and who do their deeds of passion, pride, ill-will, hatred, envy, bigotry, and selfishness in our name; who are as strange to us and all our kith and kin, as if they had never lived. Remember that, and charge their doings on themselves, not us.”

The Ghost of Christmas Present, "A Christmas Carol," Charles Dickens

Veda you have to swallow the sweet with the sour. Stick to your constitution

 

[Queenmab321]

Here's an article you may find relevant, Veda.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_consequences

You might try chanting it. I find that helps.

 

[Commander Birdsong]

Hi Gadfly
Buddhism is a religion.

Buddha was born a man and died a man (from food poisoning by pork).

He has achieved a superhuman state (awakening) through his own efforts (meditation).

He organized an order of followers, for whom he prescribed the path of mental perfection, as their current state of mind is wrong (asleep).

He promised his followers enlightenment.

He gave them rules for every aspect of their lives.

Buddha explained how the universe works, the purpose of life (life is a mistake, just suffering), the goal of man (to get rid of suffering by not participating in life and refusing to be reborn).


Hubbard did the same, all these activities, goals and world construction are religious in nature. But Hubbard was also a fraud. So scientology is a religion (pseudo-religion).

gautama dididn't achieve superhuman. he merely rose above subhuman...

 

[AnonKat]

gautama dididn't achieve superhuman. he merely rose above subhuman...

Someone has a God

 

[Veda]

I'm not indifferent to this

-snip-

But you are.

Your concern, if you are to be taken seriously, is your future scholarly treatise on a topic that includes the "religion" of Scientology. This requires that Scientology be a "religion."

Your companion, on the other hand, if he is to be taken seriously, has a more frivolous interest, and is playing head games for his personal amusement.

 

[kate8024]

Your concern, if you are to be taken seriously, is your future scholarly treatise on a topic that includes the "religion" of Scientology. This requires that Scientology be a "religion."

I have many concerns about many topics. Scientology being a religion or not does not affect my future research and its only certain processes used within Scientology that are the subject of that planned research. Its status as legally being a religion, or being a religion in any particular person's mind has no bearing on that research.

What I am saying is that classifying Scientology at a legal level as not-a-religion for the wrong reasons has unintended implications for the religious beliefs of many others, the majority of which have nothing to do with Scientology.

I could care less if any person other than me views Scientology as a religion the only thing I want is to be able to say the word religion in conjunction with the word Scientology in casual conversation on this message board and it not result in a derailed thread and 15 pages of attacks on me. I've not once ever started a conversation about how Scientology is a religion and any post I have made saying that it is (outside of this thread) has been the result of someone over-analyzing what I wrote and attacking me and putting me in the position of having to defend my viewpoint when that wasn't even a viewpoint I was expressing in the first place.

 

[MrNobody]

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I could care less if any person other than me views Scientology as a religion the only thing I want is to be able to say the word religion in conjunction with the word Scientology in casual conversation on this message board and it not result in a derailed thread and 15 pages of attacks on me.

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Please show me/us the 15 pages of attacks on you.

 

[AnonKat]

Please show me/us the 15 pages of attacks on you.

Please I am an Anon"sort off" I have no weight on your EX blog but talk it out inboxing eachoter plox
(please)

 

[MrNobody]

Please I am an Anon"sort off" I have no weight on your EX blog but talk it out inboxing eachoter plox
(please)

If you had read my sig, you'd know I'm not an Ex.

 

[Veda]

-snip-

What I am saying is that classifying Scientology at a legal level as not-a-religion for the wrong reasons has unintended implications for the religious beliefs of many others, the majority of which have nothing to do with Scientology.

-snip-

That's nonsense.

Information has been presented.

Granted, that information doesn't much interest you, but it does interest those concerned with Scientology's abuses.

 

[AnonKat]

If you had read my sig, you'd know I'm not an Ex.

Be gentle than

 

[AnonKat]

That's nonsense.

Information has been presented.

Granted, that information doesn't much interest you, but it does interest those concerned with Scientology's abuses.

GOD DAMNED.I googled that i got nothing what are you on about moonbat /