Remember KSW??

[dulltheaxe]

Well, with that said...

I like to now say something else.

The reason for the original post on the Remember KSW was to see what kind of response would come from it. I guess i got what I needed.

It seems that some of you do remember it. But what ever your own personal situation was I will never understand the full scope of it for sure but what if, what IF people were to actually understand KSW all the staff and the SO members and they all would apply it fully. Do you think Scientology would be in the position it is in today? (With all the ex scns & SO and all the bad PR that has been created from out tech and unhatted staff)

I mean, there are people that have had some personal life improvements from it, you can't deny that. Even with whatever sarcasm and slander you put on my posts you can't deny that there has been some good.

Right?

 

[Good twin]

Right.

 

[GreyWolf]

Course you would have to start from the top down and that aint gonna happen.

 

[Iknowtoomuch]

I like to now say something else.

The reason for the original post on the Remember KSW was to see what kind of response would come from it. I guess i got what I needed.

It seems that some of you do remember it. But what ever your own personal situation was I will never understand the full scope of it for sure but what if, what IF people were to actually understand KSW all the staff and the SO members and they all would apply it fully. Do you think Scientology would be in the position it is in today? (With all the ex scns & SO and all the bad PR that has been created from out tech and unhatted staff)

I mean, there are people that have had some personal life improvements from it, you can't deny that. Even with whatever sarcasm and slander you put on my posts you can't deny that there has been some good.

Right?

The same could be said about any religion. But is that really a point you want to push across? "Some" good also came from Communist USSR. Does that mean it should be supported and helped?

It goes far beyond KSW. What about the rest of the stuff he also wrote. See this is exactly what Marty is doing. Ignoring what Hubbard wrote unless it helps him make *his* point.

The greatest good for the greatest number...try thinking with that.

 

[Type4_PTS]

I like to now say something else.

The reason for the original post on the Remember KSW was to see what kind of response would come from it. I guess i got what I needed.

It seems that some of you do remember it. But what ever your own personal situation was I will never understand the full scope of it for sure but what if, what IF people were to actually understand KSW all the staff and the SO members and they all would apply it fully. Do you think Scientology would be in the position it is in today? (With all the ex scns & SO and all the bad PR that has been created from out tech and unhatted staff)

What your saying might be true IF Scientology had actually passed the point of having uniformly workable technology as LRH asserted in KSW. It was a lie. Therefore the staff could never "Deliver what you promise" no matter how well all of them understood KSW. If the CoS had been creating REAL OT's I don't think there would an ESMB. In 50 years the Co$ has'nt been able to even clear ONE of it's orgs during that time. At that rate you may need a few million years to clear the planet. Good luck.


I mean, there are people that have had some personal life improvements from it, you can't deny that. Even with whatever sarcasm and slander you put on my posts you can't deny that there has been some good.

If you went to a car dealership and bought a Rolls Royce and found out after the sale that the engine was replaced with a Kia engine with 100,000 miles on it would you be satisfied? The car still gets you around town so you can't deny that it does you some good. Right?

Right?

...

 

[Good twin]

Okay. Here's the thing. If you want to understand how we feel about the tech. Read what we've already written. If you want to know what we've done with and in Scientology read our histories. If you have an opinion, post it. We'll read it. If you want an opinion, we'll give it.

But your last post leads me to believe that we as a community are some kind of social experiment, and that is insulting. It's kinda like your gonna throw some shit up against the wall and wait and see if any of us say it smells.

We are EX Scientologists. We left for a variety of reasons. If you still hold the party line of "the tech is always right and the only failures come from misapplication" you will find that since leaving the cult we really don't care that we are labeled NCG or resistive cases.

Most of us knew what we were getting into (and out of) before we sold our souls to the internet. We already went down the self invalidation path for longer than could possibly be healthy.

I'm seriously growing tired of you DTA.

 

[GreyWolf]

Like I , as well as many before have said, It is not just about DM. It started with a rotten apple, so the whole barrel started off sick. Either stick around here and read some of the other sites as well, or go back to the ORG and I wish you lots-o-luck. It seems that you never had to go through the things that people here had to and I am glad for you that you haven't. But if you stick with the "church" long enough, you will.

Like someone else here said, and I think I am paraphrasing, "Learn from the mistakes of others, you will not live long enough to make them all yourself".

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Okay. Here's the thing. If you want to understand how we feel about the tech. Read what we've already written. If you want to know what we've done with and in Scientology read our histories. If you have an opinion, post it. We'll read it. If you want an opinion, we'll give it. But your last post leads me to believe that we as a community are some kind of social experiment, and that is insulting. It's kinda like your gonna throw some shit up against the wall and wait and see if any of us say it smells.We are EX Scientologists. We left for a variety of reasons. If you still hold the party line of "the tech is always right and the only failures come from misapplication" you will find that since leaving the cult we really don't care that we are labeled NCG or resistive cases. Most of us knew what we were getting into (and out of) before we sold our souls to the internet. We already went down the self invalidation path for longer than could possibly be healthy. I'm seriously growing tired of you DTA.

I have very good news GT! I just did a totally standard De-Bug on dulltheaxe and found the WHY! You see, it all started when.......

DTA was working directly on LRH's lines when the original KSW was written by Ron. When DTA spotted that, all of the confusion and conflict blew as to why lower level scientologists don't get it. But DTA read that first draft holy scripture...and he applies it to this very day!

Unfortunately, you and I and the others at ESMB did not have the proper ethics clearances to work with Source and have the opportunity to read the super confidential ORIGINAL draft; before the gradient was cut back so that ordinary parishioners could understand and apply it.

Because of copyright issues, I am only able to reproduce the top section of page one. Once you read it, however, I believe love & understanding will once again fill your heart for our beloved Founder and his loyal officer DTA:

HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex

HCO POLICY LETTER OF 6 FEBRUARY 1965
REISSUED 15 JUNE 1970​

Remimeo
Sthil Students
Ass/Org Sec Hat
HCO Sec Hat
Ds of P Hat
Ds of T Hat
Staff Member Hat
Franchise
(issued May 1965)

Note: Neglect of this Pol Ltr has caused great hardship on staffs, has cost countless millions and made it necessary in 1970 to engage in an all-out International effort to restore basic Scientology over the world. Within 5 years after the issue of this PL with me off the lines, violation had almost destroyed orgs. "Quickie grades" entered in and denied gain to tens of thousands of cases. Therefore actions which neglect or violate this Policy Letter are HIGH CRIMES resulting in Comm Evs on ADMINISTRATORS and EXECUTIVES. It is not "entirely a tech matter" as its neglect destroys orgs and caused a 2-year slump. IT IS THE BUSINESS OF EVERY STAFF MEMBER to enforce it.

ALL LEVELS


KEEPING SCIENTOLOGISTS WORKING​

 

[Type4_PTS]

I have very good news GT! I just did a totally standard De-Bug on dulltheaxe and found the WHY! You see, it all started when.......

DTA was working directly on LRH's lines when the original KSW was written by Ron. When DTA spotted that, all of the confusion and conflict blew as to why lower level scientologists don't get it. But DTA read that first draft holy scripture...and he applies it to this very day!

Unfortunately, you and I and the others at ESMB did not have the proper ethics clearances to work with Source and have the opportunity to read the super confidential ORIGINAL draft; before the gradient was cut back so that ordinary parishioners could understand and apply it.

Because of copyright issues, I am only able to reproduce the top section of page one. Once you read it, however, I believe love & understanding will once again fill your heart for our beloved Founder and his loyal officer DTA:

HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex​

HCO POLICY LETTER OF 6 FEBRUARY 1965
REISSUED 15 JUNE 1970​

Remimeo
Sthil Students
Ass/Org Sec Hat
HCO Sec Hat
Ds of P Hat
Ds of T Hat
Staff Member Hat
Franchise
(issued May 1965)

Note: Neglect of this Pol Ltr has caused great hardship on staffs, has cost countless millions and made it necessary in 1970 to engage in an all-out International effort to restore basic Scientology over the world. Within 5 years after the issue of this PL with me off the lines, violation had almost destroyed orgs. "Quickie grades" entered in and denied gain to tens of thousands of cases. Therefore actions which neglect or violate this Policy Letter are HIGH CRIMES resulting in Comm Evs on ADMINISTRATORS and EXECUTIVES. It is not "entirely a tech matter" as its neglect destroys orgs and caused a 2-year slump. IT IS THE BUSINESS OF EVERY STAFF MEMBER to enforce it.

ALL LEVELS​

KEEPING SCIENTOLOGISTS WORKING​

Thank-You HH for giving us the true data on this. Now it is all clear.

 

[TheBellMare]

He made it up

I have read this whole thread.

Ya'll are acting like KSW is for real. A real thing. Like you are somehow supposed to believe in it. Like you'll go to hell for all eternity if you don't. Like it is worth arguing about.

Ya'll are forgettin' something here.

LRH made the whole thing up. HE MADE IT UP. The Whole God Damn Thing. KSW, CoS, all of it.

He made up all that shit up because he had an insatiable need for power and control -- control of YOU.

Walk. Out. Now.

Freedom. It smells great. It feels great. It is great.

 

[Out-Ethics]

I have read this whole thread.

Ya'll are acting like KSW is for real. A real thing. Like you are somehow supposed to believe in it. Like you'll go to hell for all eternity if you don't. Like it is worth arguing about.

Ya'll are forgettin' something here.

LRH made the whole thing up. HE MADE IT UP. The Whole God Damn Thing. KSW, CoS, all of it.

He made up all that shit up because he had an insatiable need for power and control -- control of YOU.

Walk. Out. Now.

Freedom. It smells great. It feels great. It is great.

That is the problem. It's hard to walk away and completely shed everything that has been part of your life for however many years. And not everything is a lie because there is just enough stuff that does work to hook you for the rest. But thats how con games work.

KSW was written so nobody could question LRH ever. Gods do this all the time. Don't believe me - ask any devoted Christian.

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

But we can't have a debate about KSW without quoting the Cruisemeister!

"So for me it really is KSW and it's just like.. it's.. it's something that..ehrh.. I don't mince words with that (mumbling).. With ANYTHING! (Adds pitch to prove his dedication, after mumbling).. that LRH says.. But that policy, to me, has really gone.. phffft! Boy! - mrhrwarhw.. mairhwr.. first time I went through it.. I said.. You know what.. (long awkward silence) when I read it I.. I just went.. Poof! This is it! T'is' exactly.. IT!"
(Tom Cruise in the infamous leaked video.)

Don't you just love Tom Cruise quotes? They're rough and tumble, wild and wolly! - Dancing around the issue, but not as well as Travolta could do it.. Dancing that is!

Here it is:
Tom Cruise Scientology Video

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

But we can't have a debate about KSW without quoting the Cruisemeister! "So for me it really is KSW and it's just like.. it's.. it's something that..ehrh.. I don't mince words with that [/B](mumbling).. With ANYTHING! (Adds pitch to prove his dedication, after mumbling).. that LRH says.. But that policy, to me, has really gone.. phffft! Boy! - mrhrwarhw.. mairhwr.. first time I went through it.. I said.. You know what.. (long awkward silence) when I read it I.. I just went.. Poof! This is it! T'is' exactly.. IT!" Don't you just love Tom Cruise quotes? They're rough and tumble, wild and wolly! - Dancing around the issue, but not as well as Travolta could do it.. Dancing that is!

SCIENO SCENARIO
The future of Tom Cruise....
when he is 75 and...
can't even get a minor guest spot in a cable sitcom.
That's when he gets busted...
and assigned to the RPF​

But he is still an OT "take-charge" being.
On his first day on the decks,
he is overheard pumping up his twin (Tommy Davis):

"SO WHAT DO YOU SAY, ARE WE GONNA CLEAN THIS PLACE UP?!​

 

[42yearsin&pissed]

does thy wit rub off?

oh, you guys. i am becoming sooooo addicted to all this.

had a glass of red wine (i think i'm trying to twitter about my boring life) and still had some insomnia going on. so i thought, hey, wonder what's happening here.

and then this thread appeared. sooo hilarious...i just kept cracking up over and over.

the "debates" are priceless; hope the new guy survived you all.

i need to start another thread about money. i'm sure you all will contribute beautifully.

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[42yearsin&pissed]

where is ex-scio theater in the round?

see, i don't get why helluvahoax isn't writing plays/screenplays/skits for a very special saturday night live episode. who wants to play DM?

ex-scios need a comedy cable channel.

years ago i had a funny dream about a thursday before 2:00 episode, and upon awakening, i realized, damn, can't do it or i'd get declared or written up for joking and degrading.

scientology has lost its humor (if it ever had any at all), but it's wonderful you guys haven't!

i've only been out six months, so getting humor back is a godsend.

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[GreyWolf]

see, i don't get why helluvahoax isn't writing plays/screenplays/skits for a very special saturday night live episode. who wants to play DM?

ex-scios need a comedy cable channel.

years ago i had a funny dream about a thursday before 2:00 episode, and upon awakening, i realized, damn, can't do it or i'd get declared or written up for joking and degrading.

scientology has lost its humor (if it ever had any at all), but it's wonderful you guys haven't!

i've only been out six months, so getting humor back is a godsend.

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Yup. It's good to laugh. Even if you are still angry!

 

[Zinjifar]

Angry twitters are sometimes the best tweets
(there is no 'misemotion') sometimes you just have to say;
'What the fuck'

From 'Risky Business'

Miles: Joel, you wanna know something? Every now and then say, "What the fuck." "What the fuck" gives you freedom. Freedom brings opportunity. Opportunity makes your future.

Zinj

 

[Alanzo]

Man! I can't believe I missed this thread!!

I personally want to welcome Balthasar and Dulltheaxe to ESMB.

As Scientologists, you guys have courage, and you have confront.

You have posted what you think and feel, and you have even read and listened to the posts ESMBers have written to you in response. And you've held your own in your responses back!

That is to be highly commended.

I hope to see you guys around a lot more. I'll bet that you can even change a few minds around here - if you keep trying.

Don't give up!

You will make it.

All the way!!!

 

[Zinjifar]

Straight Up and Vertical!!!


Zinj

 

[He-man]

I like to now say something else.

The reason for the original post on the Remember KSW was to see what kind of response would come from it. I guess i got what I needed.

It seems that some of you do remember it. But what ever your own personal situation was I will never understand the full scope of it for sure but what if, what IF people were to actually understand KSW all the staff and the SO members and they all would apply it fully. Do you think Scientology would be in the position it is in today? (With all the ex scns & SO and all the bad PR that has been created from out tech and unhatted staff)

I mean, there are people that have had some personal life improvements from it, you can't deny that. Even with whatever sarcasm and slander you put on my posts you can't deny that there has been some good.

Right?

What good things? Give me an example.
For my own part, I cant honestly say that I had gains in scientology that I couldn´t have achieved by just being a normal guy on the street.