Thank-you for your response ... I disagree though, this is an EX scn message board and not everyone comes here just to discuss scientology, but when we are discussing scientology and not being 'technically correct' (for example) or just been plain silly and having a laugh ... some of the 'scientologists' that are in KSW mode at that moment (or a version of it) will JUMP on the unsuspecting poster, often quite nastily.
I've seen a lot of vitriolic communication between Scn'ists and those who aren't. Usually, though, the Scn'ist is on the receiving end of some bitchery. Sometimes they fight back. Not surprising.
A number of non CofS Scn'ists here were personally invited here by Emma. (and for that matter, there are people here who've never been in Scn at all. Emma has indicated she's AOK with that, as well.) She has not enjoined any from contributing to other sections of the board than the Independent/Free Zone ones. Perhaps you might like to have a chat with her. There used to be a section here where a person could post a suggestion for the board. It may still be there. I know that I had posted something about the rant section we used to have- how posting in it seemed to generate attacks and cause trepidation in some- and this post was read and the section was removed. So it appears there is an avenue.
It is unpleasant to be on the receipt end of or to watch, especially when the 'victim' is newly out and figuring things out and working out their frame of reference ... guests/lurkers are in that category.
I've seen a number of people come here who were newly out or were about to be who were still interested in Scn and said so. I was in that position myself at one point, as were others. There are all sorts of exes.
It is like observing a sickening bloodsport.
Yes, and I'd be happy to give examples.
There are 2356 member's here and only a small % contribute on a regular basis and many join and then never say a single word.
I wonder why.
Because I emailed them all and threatened them.
I choose not to spend any of my time with scientologists now as they tend to revert to being 'George like' ... amusing and entertaining to a degree, albeit in a very sad way ... but boring as batshit in their intrinsic and robotic sameness when in 'KSW mode' ... that is my personal choice and I am enjoying it very much.
If one wishes to see KSW mode, just look at some of the rantings of people who've had posts edited and deleted by the moderators here- attacking others. For some, it does seem like you can take the person out of the church and/or Scn but, etc, etc.
Having said that, I will not put anyone here on 'ignore' ... because that is basically disconnection and I don't feel the need to be that puerile ... and anyway, the threads are still affected in the direction they take when a rampant scio has made its presence felt so the whole thread would be tainted and nonsensical.
I generally find that the rantings about how evil people who left CofS- many of whom have been declared and who've expressed disagreements with Hubbard and with CofS- taint threads.
There are threads here that have been generously provided for the scientologists (FZ) and if I ever enter them (unlikely) I will be polite and respectful at all times.
That makes one of you, that's for sure.
BTW Fluffy, you never did answer my original question ...
Actually, I think I addressed it just fine. It wasn't an actual question. It was rhetorical in nature. But I'll respond again.
It is very cowardly IMO for a 'scientologist' to come here as a chameleon, if intent on constantly defending 'the tech' (often across all of the threads), and at the very least as a part of the signature why not have a READABLE and CLEAR statement (use a strong colour!) that tells the other posters that you are a 'non c of s scientologist' ... and will probably attempt to rip heads off when in "KSW" mode?
I wonder if you've called anyone besides me a chameleon-- if not, then the above is a chickenlivered way to discuss one person without naming names.
I personally have great disdain for the KSW1 PL and the mindset that goes with it. That's put me at odds with other non CofS Scn'ists and certainly puts me outside the standardized CofS party line purview.
I'm not interested in having a bell around my neck or wearing a yellow S. There's historical precedent for that and I really think you would be unwise to go there. I do have my website addy (which, by the way, has my real name) in my sig line- not that I need to. Also I've been on the 'net for 11 years. Anyone who's ever been on a.r.s. or OCMB or beliefnet knows me. Anyone can google me, if it comes to that.
That would be fair(er) and show real courage.
I post under or alluding to my real name. I also correctly and candidly identify my stance. I'm a known quantity under my own name and location. I've even posted my own phone number and even my field of employment, my husband's name and the full names of people I've known in the cult who were trying to "handle" me for posting to the 'net. That's something- ahem- that a lot of people here haven't done.
It won't prevent every attempted face ripping but at least onlookers can refer the victim to the sig line (if they missed it) and it may assist to heal them faster!
See above.
I don't like posting this post and get no enjoyment from it
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That's a shame. Life is meant to be enjoyed. I know I derived great pleasure from reading it. I may even post it on my website.
.. it is way too long and wordy, but it is my small contribution to the newly out or the shy ... the previously bullied ... guests/lurkers or anyone that wants to come here and relax awhile without being attacked or viewing an attack by a pseudo scientologist/chameleon that has spent many years perfecting the skills ... and all with no prior warning.
I'm not a pseudo anything. Nor am I a chameleon. One could just as easily make the same claim about you- one day you're apologizing and the next you're attacking. It would seem that everyone has their moods and are moved to post different things on different days.
As I said, I've been very candid about my stance and my complete identity-more than many forum regulars here and elsewhere have felt advisable to be.
I am not assisting those still trapped in scio (others are and are doing a great job) but I will do all I can to assist someone who is in the process of getting out ... as most of us here would.
I've assisted a number of people who were in the critic's scene, who were already out or who'd never been in. So have other non CofS Scn'ists. And just about all of us here who would be the ones to wear the yellow S have posted criticism of CofS and in many cases, of Hubbard.
I am now very strong again (most days!) and a great part of that is due to spending time here at ESMB laughing and rediscovering my real self again ... but I know how it feels to be hurt and shocked and bewildered ... and I doubt that I will ever forget.
Me, too. I'm an ex member and experienced a number of things I will not forget. As I said, I've posted many supportive things to/about other ex members and the crap they've gone through in the past or are experiencing now and in some cases, I've done more for them than post.
Some shit was generated from CofS about what I could say and where could I say it and what I'd better not say. I stood up to them. I didn't take it from them and I'm not taking it from anyone else. I plan to go on posting supportive things about criticism of Hubbard, Scn, CofS, helping other critics, buying critical publications, and even having fellow critics- many of whom have nothing but disdain for the entire Scn philosophy- in my own home.
Smilla.
