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Research Timeline for Hubbard's "Excalibur"

Discussion in 'Important documents' started by Lermanet_com, Aug 21, 2013.

  1. Lermanet_com

    Lermanet_com Gold Meritorious Patron

    http://www.lermanet.com/excalibur-timeline.htm

    For research purposes only

    HISTORY OF EXCALIBUR

    (43 Entries relating to Excalibur - Mar 1987) This is outdated
    Time line is a bit askew not in proper alignment
    THE SUPERNATURAL & MALEVOLENT MYTH OF EXCALIBUR
    CREATED BY HUBBARD AS A "GOOD PUBLISHING TRICK"

    DOCUMENTATION FOLDER OF EXCALIBUR REFERENCES

    HISTORY OF EXCALIBUR - UPDATED ADDITIONS

    SOURCES OF DOCUMENTATION

    THE FINDING ON THE U.S. FOOD AND DRUG AGENCY

    Published by The Dept. of Publications World Wide
    St. Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex, England 1968
    The title on page 17 is "A Letter to the President" (John Kennedy) 13 August 1963.
    Hubbard's comments are as follows.

    "Their interest goes back to 1938 when I was offered Pavlov's laboratories by Russia and large sums to go there and complete my work [EXCALIBUR]. In 1942 the first manuscript of the work [EXCALIBUR] was stolen in Miami, Florida, in 1950 the only other copy vanished by theft, in Los Angeles."

    [AUTHOR'S OPINION; Hubbard wants us to believe that the Russian government is offering him
    1. $100.000 or more for his services.
    2. on an UNPUBLISHED MANUSCIPT,
    3. That only a hand full of people read the manuscript: Arthur Burkes and a few people
    at Simon & Shuster who read it and rejected publication of it.
    4. Hubbard was noted as a fiction writer. In no way shape or form was he associated with the
    psychology of the mind . He did dabble in hypnosis.
    5. How would the Russian government know about Excalibur which was written only a month before.?]

    1964 MARCH 21 SATURDAY EVENING POST
    SCIENTOLOGY: "Have you Ever Been a Boo Hoo?" by James Phelan

    On page 84 Hubbard says, "They offered me $200.000, all laboratory facilities,
    everything I needed in Russia.' He turned them down, Hubbard says, and later
    his apartment 'was blasted open' and his manuscript [EXCALUBUR] disappeared."

    1963 November 16 & 17
    "A PORTION OF THE PHELAN INTERVIEW WITH LRH" [an FBI raid seized document
    numbers 883 A & 883 B]

    Hubbard says, "...my apartment was blasted open and that manuscript
    went the way of all flesh and it has never seen the light of day since."
    Mr. Phelan: "There was only one manuscript? [EXCALIBUR]"

    Dr. Hubbard: "There was only one copy. There were actually two copies,
    the other copy was destroyed, by accident."

    (James Phelan on page 883 = B)
    5. "You mentioned in the interview that you were offered a substantial
    grant by the Amtorg representative, that you rejected it, and that subsequently there was an
    incident involving you apartment and a manuscript. Would you expand
    on this in more detail, dates, places, etc."

    A. "Explorer's Club 1938, ms stolen Miami."

    Continues HERE
     
  2. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    It's really too bad for Ron that this manuscript was lost because if he had it when Paulette Cooper surfaced he could've sent her a copy and she would've suicided, saving him all that admin, time and manpower and resources and PR flaps and out security over Operation Freakout...that was a failure.
     
  3. DartSmohen

    DartSmohen Silver Meritorious Patron

    Hmm, I suppose Hubbard was lying when he told me to my face that the whole Excalibur story was a complete piece of fiction he concocted to create an aura of mystery about himself. According to what he said, there was never a manuscript. I know others have reported seeing one.

    Who knows what the truth is, or even if anyone really cares a damn about it.
     
  4. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    From the 1938 'Excalibur letter':

    "Living is a pretty grim joke, but a joke just the same.

    "The entire function of man is to survive. Not for 'what' but just to survive.

    ...

    "I turned the thing up [The Dynamic principle of Existence: Survive!] so it's up to me to survive in a big way.

    "Personal immortality is only to be gained through the printed word, barred note or painted canvas or hard granite. [Or stainless steel, or titanium, or by having 'L. Ron Hubbard' identified with people's 'survival!']

    "Foolishly perhaps, but determined nonetheless, I have high hopes of smashing my name into history so violently that it will take a legendary form even if all the books are destroyed.

    "That goal is the real goal as far as I am concerned.

    "Things which stand too consistently in my way make me nervous. It's a pretty big job. In a hundred years Roosevelt will have been forgotten - which gives some idea of the magnitude of my attempt. And all this boils and froths inside my head.

    ...

    "Psychiatrists, reaching the high of the dusty desk, tell us that Alexander, Genghis Khan and Napoleon were madmen. I know they're maligning some very intelligent gentlemen.

    "...I can make Napoleon look like a punk..."


    _________​


    Arthur J. Burks on 'Excalibur':

    http://www.xenu.net/archive/oca/burks.html


    And some information from R.V. Young, under "Hubbard Archives":

    http://www.lermanet.com/vaughnhot.htm

    "In late 1981... over the months, with nothing else to do, I had a chance to read private letters, papers and manuscripts (including the three, yes, three, versions of the infamous 'Excalibur', which has to be the most overblown piece of hype ever produced..."


    There are also at least 3 or 4 different stories, from Hubbard, re. 'Excalibur', a.k.a. 'The One Command'.

    What all these stories, or "explanations," have in common is that they begin with someone saying, "Can I see a copy of 'Excalibur'?" And Hubbard responding [insert story #1, #2, #3, etc.] with "No."


    Some more info on 'Excalibur' from Gerry Armstrong,
    http://www.skeptictank.org/astrong7.htm

    According to Gerry Armstrong, there are 2 and a half versions of 'Excalibur', all of which he read.

    There is a BBC produced 'Secret Lives' (of L. Ron Hubbard) interview featuring Gerry of which the above is a transcription.


    This would have all been much simpler if Hubbard had just been honest.


    According to L. Ron Hubbard, there were repeated attempts by both the Russians and the U.S. government to take possession of his work on the mind, and to get him to work for them.

    Hubbard even wrote to the FBI, in 1955, claiming that he had been offered his own laboratory, and very high fees, if only he'd agree to work for the Russians.

    The first offer, according to Hubbard, was from the Russian KGB in the late 1930s; when he refused, the Russians stole the manuscript for 'Excalibur', the unpublished book that was so powerful that, according to Hubbard, it resulted one person, unprepared for its reading, leaping out of a skyscraper window!

    Such was the power of the tech even in 1938!!!

    And not only the Russians, but also the American government, wanted Hubbard's researches.


    From a 1977 recorded message, 'Can we Ever Be Friends?':

    "Possibly any trouble Dianetics or Scientology ever had began on May 9, 1950 when the U.S government, excited by the possibility of Hubbard's work, sought to force him into classified government service.

    "In Washington, they told him they wanted him to work on projects to make people more suggestible. When he declined they threatened and, typically, he refused to bow.

    "And the war between the government and Scientology was on."

    There's another version of this from the 1978 edition of 'What is Scientology?' (Both these stories come from a Hubbard lecture.)

    It ends with:

    "The government never forgave him for this and soon began vicious, covert international attacks on his work."


    And it was because these "vicious, covert international attacks on his work" that L. Ron Hubbard was forced to commence with his plan for planetary conquest and the utter destruction of all his enemies!

    [​IMG]


    ___________​


    This is a scan of the "KGB wanted me to work for them" story which was sent, by Hubbard, to the FBI in 1955.

    I've seen the photocopies of this letter, and the 2nd and 3rd pages down are missing a paragraph and two lines which were, for some reason, not scanned. I have filled in the missing content.

    This was an apparent attempt to persuade the FBI to persuade the IRS to not investigate Hubbard and his finances lest Hubbard accept a Soviet offer to fly to Russia and work "for very high fees," etc.

    [​IMG]

    "In the greatest spirit of friendship and camaraderie it seem that I can go to Russia as an adviser or a consultant and have my own laboratories and receive very high fees. And it's all so easy because it's already been ascertained that I could get my passport extended for Russia and all I had to do was go to Paris and there a Russian plane would pick me up and that would be that.

    "Indeed that would be that.

    "I suppose when the Russian-inclined 'friend' finds that...

    [​IMG]
     
  5. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious

    Interesting thread, thank you!

    The Heinlein archive contains correspondence between Hubbard and Heinlein in which Excalibur is mentioned.

    On November 24, 1948, Hubbard wrote Heinlein a chatty two-page typed letter from Box 1036 GPO NYC. Hubbard admitted that the good fortune Heinlein had written him about "wife, security, fame and fortune," had him writhing enviously. Hubbard listed what he called his "problems in existence," six rather neurotic and banal complaints, ending with all the things in New York City he hated. Very importantly, Hubbard wrote that he hoped to soon give Heinlein a "book risen from the ashes of old Excalibur." It is obvious that Heinlein has a good idea of what Excalibur was and contained before this. This new book, Hubbard claimed, "details in full the mathematics of the human mind, solves all the problems of the ages and gives six recipes for aphrodisiacs and plays a mouth organ with the left foot." (Heinlein archives: CORR306-02)

    Cf. Hubbard's letter to Forrest Ackerman on 13 January 1949:
    Heinlein continued to prod Hubbard for details of his new book, and on 13 March 1949 Hubbard again wrote about it, saying among other things:

    My collection of Excalibur-related items may be helpful too.
     
  6. Lermanet_com

    Lermanet_com Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yes premature exposure to that material was supposed to kill and Excalubur was supposed to drive people crazy and there is a another strange congruency...

    What strikes me about this facet of excalibur which is mirrored by the claims about reading OTIII before one is 'ready', is something my friend (the kid at the top of the stairs on right in picture below) told me about the time his father worked at the Ford Foundation. (More about this source HERE and HERE on ESMB)

    [​IMG]

    He said there was a department at the Ford Foundation that exclusively managed proposals for advanced psychological research, and that these projects were so unsettling, that they tended to drive people crazy, so that directorship was rotated, so that no one Director was exposed to it for longer than six months. My friends dad, Dr Carroll, pictured standing next to President Eisenhower, was a director at the Ford Foundation from 1950 to 54, and his nickname there was "The Fifth Rider of the Apocalypse" he indicated that every aspect of what we call modern society was planned, there.

    That last sentence strikes also another distant chord with what Hubbard claimed about OTIII, that it was those implants, those movies shown to the packaged up BTs, that caused civilization to appear to be the way it turned out to be. I find this unsettling when the truth seems to be that it may have been the Ford Foundation and related spooky entities, that actually bear responsibility for the design itself..

    I hope this weird bit of inference might help someone in the future to unravel what has actually occurred.

    Arnie Lerma

    Edit added:
    For those who don't read the linked posts, Dr Carroll's wiki states he was in US NAVAL RESERVES during WWII till 1945, then there is a blank until 1950 when he starts at The Ford Foundation.. That's because he was the director of Operation Paperclip during those years, and that is still classified.
     
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2013
  7. Dave B.

    Dave B. Maximus Ultimus Mostimus

    Re: Hubbard. I think that (unknown?) FBI agent had it right. "Appears mental."
     
  8. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    I once read or heard somewhere that Dianetics or The Original Thesis or The Evolution of a Science...whichever one was actually merely a single chapter from Excalibur.

    Anyone remember that claim?
     
  9. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious

    Hubbard mentioned the Ford Foundation in a 1962 Briefing Course lecture:

     
  10. Lermanet_com

    Lermanet_com Gold Meritorious Patron

    What the hell did Hubbard just say there?

    I can't stand reading him, I see the confusion technique...(Shields up, Scottie) But he does tend to reveal things in obtuse fashion, Caroline would you mind translating that into english without implication?

    (takes breath)

    But.. that is intriguing..... geeze imagine what we don't know...

    "Actually, the Ford Foundation was founded at the—exactly the same day (did you know this?) of the first Hubbard Dianetic Research Foundation for exactly the same purposes:"

    Which begs the question, what was the real purpose of Dianetics?

    Were both a control plan for the future? One to make willing, obedient slaves for the other?

    And he 'makes nothing of" something that he says is doing the same thing he did?

    Goodnite...
     
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2013
  11. purple haze

    purple haze Patron with Honors

    YAY Dart! :thumbsup::whistling:
    Reminds me of the brainwashing manuel 'story' :yes:
    Aloha,
    Purple Haze
    P.S. hope you saw the naked surfing pictures on the 1973 Apollo thread.:omg:
     
  12. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious

    Yes, I hear you Arnie, about the confusion tech, which of course Hubbard applied throughout his writings and lectures. The value of what he said or wrote when he was laying it on like that, is not in establishing the truth or falsity of what he was saying (he was, as we know, a pathological liar), but that the subject matter was going through his mind at all evidences a relationship of some kind. What Hubbard said or wrote about the Ford Foundation is not helpful in understanding the Ford Foundation. It's just a good start for research.

    It's interesting to me that the Ford Foundation was very much on Hubbard's mind when he discussed his research and early organizations. He actually mentioned it many times, and on multiple occasions compared the value and cost of their research to what was being done in Hubbard's groups. In a 1956 Professional Auditor's Bulletin, Hubbard mentions the Ford Foundation in such a context.

    Wikipedia: Ford Foundation tells us the foundation was not created in 1950, but in 1936.
     
  13. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    Growing up I used to watch a ton of PBS documentary stuff...a TON of it. One thing I explicitly remember is that many of these publicly funding shows would start out with, "Made available with a grant from the Ford Foundation."

    I don't believe I've ever heard of a Scientology grant for education or anything along that line.
     
  14. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious

    Page two of that letter is here: http://scientology-research.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/62-HQ-94080-1-163-165.pdf :hattip:
     
  15. ClearedSP

    ClearedSP Patron with Honors

    From the various, and often conflicting stories I'd heard over the years, I'd kind of settled on the idea that it was a pretty lousy book, dealing mainly with Hubbard's astonishing realization that living things try to stay alive. By 1950, I figure he considered it embarrassing juvenilia,which served him better as a myth than as a publication. Then he told all kinds of fish tales about how it made a guy jump out a window, how the Red Menace was after it, how people "blew their way into" his place to steal it, etc. After that, he couldn't really show it to anyone, unless he claimed to have recovered a stolen copy. And why would he WANT to show it to anyone?

    This is a very Ron thing to do. Just like how he talked about a poor Sara, the grieving girlfriend of a dead nuclear physicist who was his friend, and Sara, the KGB agent, and Sara who he rescued from demonic black magicians, and "Sara who? I had no second wife." All kinds of tales, which tell you everything but the truth.

    He said that Excalibur was the most explosive book in human history, and that it was lost. I figure that means that it sucked, and he hid it.