Results of the Senate Inquiry into Public Benefits Test

[lionheart]

I would like to make a comment here and at the same time thank Paul for the role he played in the initiation of one aspect of the current successful action. With the outcome of the recent election, there can be no doubt that the recommendations of the Senate Inquiry will be adopted. It was Paul’s information about COSRECI and how it operated in the UK and how the CofS in the UK was able to get charity status because of COSRECI when it didn’t qualify for such in the UK, as the result of the special arrangement between the UK and Australia. Paul’s recall and accuracy 30 years later was amazing.

It was someone, who wishes to remain anonymous, who was able to establish that COSRECI did not have and would never qualify for, charity status. This is a multi-million pound, if not hundreds of millions, fraud. And who owns St Hill and other UK properties? Yes, COSRECI! HMR&C has been fully briefed at the highest levels.

Here’s a thought. COSRECI was set up by the Guardians’ Office, well before David Miscavige became a Sea Org member. Operation Snow White convictions resulted in the effective removal of Mary Sue as a likely successor to Hubbard. I suspect that David Miscavige was behind the leak to the FBI using Ken Moxon, who as a result, became an unindicted co-conspiritor, and who was rewarded by Miscavige by being trained as an attorney and then acting for the CofS making big money. Ah! What irony, Miscavige destroys the G.O. and now the G.O is about to make a major contribution to the destruction of Miscavige.

Regards, David.

This is a great step forward. Well done Aussies!

But the battle is NOT yet won!

This Senate enquiry result, providing the Aussie government carry out the recommendations, (which you Aussies seem to thing they will) is equivalent to the UK Charity Commission's decision to not grant the cult charity status in the UK

At the time of the UK Charity Commissions decision, if ESMB had existed, we would have equally welcomed that decision as a victory.

BUT the cult is a slippery beast. While the Charity Commission was enquiring and coming to a decision, the cult had a falll-back position in that it had set up the Australian charity scam (COSRECI).

So despite the Charity Commission refusing to give the cult charity status, the cult has operated as a charity, ever since, in the UK because they had their fall-back position (COSRECI) in place.

The slimy, slippery cult will have a fall-back position set up in case the Senate Enquiry found against them. They will have a "Charity" set up in "Belgravia" or some such foreign safe-haven port.

Question for the Aussies to consider and for Zenophon and the Senate to consider is:

• Do the Government have contingency in place for non-Aussie "charities" operating in Australia?

Anyone, who has read the whole document, know if the foreign "charity" aspect was covered by the report? Is Zenophon aware of the liklihood that the cult will try to use such a loophole?

Basically the point I am trying to make is that governments need to have a position and policy in place for non-domestic "charities" operating in their country.

The COSRECI scam worked well for the cult for many years in the UK. They will repeat this "successful" action again if they can.

 

[Outethicsofficer]

Good point Lion...we will make sure this is pointed up to the Committee you can rest assured.

James

 

[Carmel]

<snip>

But the battle is NOT yet won!

In Oz, it is. Now it's just the clean up ("due process")

This Senate enquiry result, providing the Aussie government carry out the recommendations, (which you Aussies seem to thing they will) is equivalent to the UK Charity Commission's decision to not grant the cult charity status in the UK

It's more than that. The aspect you are talking about is only *one* of several aspects covered in the report.

Also, there is bipartisan support on this one.......Both the major parties, the minor parties and the independents are supportive of the rec's. So, we are talking about support from "parliament", not just the Govt.

The COSRECI scam worked well for the cult for many years in the UK. They will repeat this "successful" action again if they can.

The powers that be are no longer naive in regard to loopholes and tactics the CofS has used to stay under the radar of the law (for this long), and in addition to that, they now are well informed as to how the CofS has a fall back position for anything and everything that would/could stop them.

The report is worth the read. It is very thorough, and the rec's go well beyond the matter of tax exemption........Hence our celebration! It's beyond what we hoped for, at this point in time.

 

[mate]

Hi Lionheart.
COSRECI was not a fall back position, it was in use since the 1960s. It was being used to move large sums out of the UK, with it being registered as a foreign corporation. CofS in Australia had obtained tax exemption and this was used to claim that COSRECI was tax exempt when it wasn't.

Recently AOSH ANZO has been having public sending their "donations" to NZ, probably because they were anticipating the possible success of the Senate Inquiry. BTW, it is highly likely that they will lose their tax exempt status in NZ before Australia. I have no doubt that they will have the public send their donations direct to the US via the internet. This BTW was in my submission. Unfortunately this is tax evasion with very stiff penalties and I have no doubt that the Australian Tax Office will on the look out for this.

Back in the G.O. days, there were some very smart operators, but they're all gone. They simply have the competence of "dumb and dumber".

David.

 

[Peter Soderqvist]

Bipartisan support for charities commission
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/07/3005360.htm?section=justin

 

[RogerB]

Hi Lionheart.
COSRECI was not a fall back position, it was in use since the 1960s. It was being used to move large sums out of the UK, with it being registered as a foreign corporation. CofS in Australia had obtained tax exemption and this was used to claim that COSRECI was tax exempt when it wasn't.

Recently AOSH ANZO has been having public sending their "donations" to NZ, probably because they were anticipating the possible success of the Senate Inquiry. BTW, it is highly likely that they will lose their tax exempt status in NZ before Australia. I have no doubt that they will have the public send their donations direct to the US via the internet. This BTW was in my submission. Unfortunately this is tax evasion with very stiff penalties and I have no doubt that the Australian Tax Office will on the look out for this.

Back in the G.O. days, there were some very smart operators, but they're all gone. They simply have the competence of "dumb and dumber".

David.

Yep, this is correct. The use of the "Commonwealth Country" "charitable institution," COSRECI, began at a time when such favor existed in the UK. When the UK joined the EEC, many such favors to the former Commonwealth ceased . . . except in the case of a carry-forward of extant situations. This became particularly evident in the case of immigration and rights of Ozzies and other Commonwealth citizens being able to go to the UK and work . . . all that ceased with UK entry into the EEC. We former Brit Commonwealth types are now viewed as aliens!

But with COSRECI being demonstrated to be a mere "front," apart from its various many violations, the whole shell game is about to be collapsed upon them.

R

 

[johnAnchovie]

Well done Oz!

You Australians don't mess around, you say it like it is with no relativist mushiness. I thank you, you have dealt a death blow to that monstrosity disguised as a religion. Did anyone tell the BBC and The Gaurdian? I am sure they would be most interested.

 

[Kookaburra]

You Australians don't mess around, you say it like it is with no relativist mushiness. I thank you, you have dealt a death blow to that monstrosity disguised as a religion. Did anyone tell the BBC and The Gaurdian? I am sure they would be most interested.

You might refer them to this thread. There is relevant data to Scn in the UK here, plus all the links. It may have gotton overlooked because of the election results.

 

[Human Again]

And the walls come tumbling down....

Those who contributed, you know who you are, big helps like from Carmel and Kev, Paul and our gorgeous red head who shared so much. Those who paved the way, gathering info and setting foundations, to all who submitted their opinion, who spent the time crafting their words to strike a blow, to those wo have left Scn and to Emma for ESMB. Thanks to you from me and those who will benefit when this leviathan crashes and burns.

Funny how Scientology cannot stand up to democracy. No wonder Hubbard tried to convince us all that it was for the weak...

When studying history we do well to ask, "What was the turning point?"

It's my expectation that when this question is asked about the downfall of Scientology, September 7th 2010 will be the answer.

Well, I am sharpening my pencil and gathering my facts to paint a picture for the inevitable research that will now be done on belalf of the government of Australia. "Oh you want to know what happens inside? What the effect is on our communities, on individuals and families? You'd like a tally of the cost? Happy to help you out."

I'm not waiting, let's have our answers ready, easily read, easily understood, full of passion where it helps, objectve when it is needed and nailing the B&^rs%$rds for all their human right violations, their theft of childhoods and livliehoods, for diverting us all from our potential and our loyalities, for turning us against our own communities and convincing us they were "less" and "aberated". For fraudluent sales, for taking money out of the country and ripping off so many of our people to send to St Hill and Flag. For keeping people away from medical help, for denying emotions and preventing those who care from reaching their families.
Let's nail them for every family broken, every career derailed, every physcial and mental abuse we can detail.

And since I'm writing such a big wish list, let's ask the Government to give them a bill for back taxes all the way to 1965. If you don't aim for the moon, what are the chances of breaking out of the atmosphere?

 

[AnonyMary]

Excellent outcome of the inquiry. Thank you to all who helped.

 

[Lurker5]

Yes

And the walls come tumbling down....

Those who contributed, you know who you are, big helps like from Carmel and Kev, Paul and our gorgeous red head who shared so much. Those who paved the way, gathering info and setting foundations, to all who submitted their opinion, who spent the time crafting their words to strike a blow, to those wo have left Scn and to Emma for ESMB. Thanks to you from me and those who will benefit when this leviathan crashes and burns.

Funny how Scientology cannot stand up to democracy. No wonder Hubbard tried to convince us all that it was for the weak...

When studying history we do well to ask, "What was the turning point?"

It's my expectation that when this question is asked about the downfall of Scientology, September 7th 2010 will be the answer.

Well, I am sharpening my pencil and gathering my facts to paint a picture for the inevitable research that will now be done on belalf of the government of Australia. "Oh you want to know what happens inside? What the effect is on our communities, on individuals and families? You'd like a tally of the cost? Happy to help you out."

I'm not waiting, let's have our answers ready, easily read, easily understood, full of passion where it helps, objectve when it is needed and nailing the B&^rs%$rds for all their human right violations, their theft of childhoods and livliehoods, for diverting us all from our potential and our loyalities, for turning us against our own communities and convincing us they were "less" and "aberated". For fraudluent sales, for taking money out of the country and ripping off so many of our people to send to St Hill and Flag. For keeping people away from medical help, for denying emotions and preventing those who care from reaching their families.
Let's nail them for every family broken, every career derailed, every physcial and mental abuse we can detail.

And since I'm writing such a big wish list, let's ask the Government to give them a bill for back taxes all the way to 1965. If you don't aim for the moon, what are the chances of breaking out of the atmosphere?

Yes, THIS. And may it spread all over the world - the USA in particular. We don't have a Xenophon - nope - not even close (yet, anyway). BUT in these hard times the promise of TAX MONEY might put a fire under a few . . .

 

[Tiger Lily]

Yes, THIS. And may it spread all over the world - the USA in particular. We don't have a Xenophon - nope - not even close (yet, anyway). BUT in these hard times the promise of TAX MONEY might put a fire under a few . . .

I think so too Lurker5. Right now people are up in arms about government misuse of money and misspending. . . if people realize what Scientology is, and then realize that it's tax exempt, and how much the government loses, I think there will be an uproar. It will be hard because the US (rightfully) strives to protect freedom of religion . . . that will be a sticking point legally. But I think we'll get our Xenophon, and I think it will become obvious eventually that Scientology is not a "religion" worthy of legal privilege.

 

[RolandRB]

You Australians don't mess around, you say it like it is with no relativist mushiness. I thank you, you have dealt a death blow to that monstrosity disguised as a religion. Did anyone tell the BBC and The Gaurdian? I am sure they would be most interested.

The UK is not going to react to what has happened in Australia. This is a great victory for Australia but it won't change much in the UK. It won't make the news. Hardly anybody in the UK has heard of Xenophon. They are not interested in what goes on in Australian politics. Dirty Harry the psychic crocodile - yes - that's news. Xenophon and an overhaul of charities not.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Yes, THIS. And may it spread all over the world - the USA in particular. We don't have a Xenophon - nope - not even close (yet, anyway). BUT in these hard times the promise of TAX MONEY might put a fire under a few . . .

Not only do we not have a true independent statesman like Senator Nick Xenophon, but we have a lunatic heading one of the two major parties in our country who believes in 'Spiritual Warriors'

How can anyone in Washington concern themselves with a small cult such as Scientology when you have whack job movements like this making inroads to take over government?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-502443_162-4538788-502443.html

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/10/27/115813/98

The movement made early inroads in Alaska through an ICA apostle named Mary Glazier, who claims that a 24-year-old Palin joined her spiritual warfare network. These communication networks allow apostles to disseminate new prophecy to their "prayer warriors." During the presidential election this included prophecies about Palin, including one in which Glazier described a vision that Palin would take the "mantle" of leadership after a period of national mourning, apparently following John McCain's demise.

Unfortunately Religion is a sacred cow in the United States, and when fundamentalists start calling the shots, religion takes the place of education as we have seen in various religious dictatorships in the Middle East.

Thankfully Australia understands the danger of this, and is taking strong and decisive actions to prevent the insanity we that we currently have occurring in our country.

Religion is the one of the biggest obstacle to Peace, if not the biggest.

If I could, I would nominate all the ex-Sceintologists in Australia who made this possible and Nick Xenophon for a Nobel Peace Prize.

 

[FinallyFree]

I had one of the most vivid dreams last night. It was far too realistic and when I woke up I knew I had to tell you all here.
I haven’t dreamt that vividly in a long time. Complete with background sounds and full color – amazing.
So the dreams starts with the knowledge that I am part of a group of people who are aware of what is about to happen, scared, heart racing, hands not shaking a pretense of calm on all of our faces, yet knowing glances around the corner between all of us. I see those navy blue S.O. uniforms, complete with large gold braids, gold bars, “mission ribbons”, S.O. caps, I see Kay Connelly and Guillaume Lesèvre but I don’t recognize any of the others, I just know they are “with” ‘us’.
I am in the entry way of what is a large luxurious home and I hear david miscavige berating and cussing at someone (you know, the usual), though not quite yet at the tone and volume where he might physically attack, it had potential - but not yet.
I know the time is near, I am scared but excited….I start to day dream about what it will be like with him gone, all the horrendous things that have happened will be over when suddenly I hear him start a string of profanity laced threats between snarls – with the distinct sound of surprise, fear, disbelief and horrendous hate filled anger. Threats that he will kill Marty, kill so and so, a short list of people.

I step around the corner from the 8 foot tall wooden door to my left to peer out the large double doors leading to the outside of the enormous home to my right and I see a flurry of FBI, Tactical Police in full black gear guns drawn but not aimed rush past me into the room I was just hearing david’s now jumbled tirade of threats, a struggle, hand cuffs and other sounds I can’t place to a mental image. I realize while they are busy arresting david that ‘we are all in on this’, that this has been a plan we all knew and were terrified of going wrong. Those S.O. closest to him, the majority turned against him and helped these law enforcement officials into the compound so they could arrest him.

The next thing I see is three men carry out a hog tied david miscavige (only in my dream they had him bend at the waist, hands tied to his ankles and the FBI agent mumbling as he walked by carrying david, something about how they couldn’t get david out of this position so they ‘just tied him that way’). As they walked by I noticed that they had duck taped his mouth, his face was red-purple with hate and anger, sweat just pouring down his face – that was when I started to realize I was dreaming…..

Premonition?

 

[Lurker5]

GREAT DREAM !

Wow, that is a GREAT DREAM ! In more ways than one.

We can only hope it is a premonition. It is kind of how we are all feeling right now, with the Aus Inquiry results And that is probably
exactly what dm is doing right about now, .

But we have to be careful. He is feeling cornered, and that is when he will be most viscious and cunning - and dangerous. And he has billions at his disposal. There have been many despots in the world who have bought their way out of messes, and found sanctuary - many places in the world with their hands out, just waiting for the money, asking no questions.

Sigh.

But right now AWESOME on the Aussie Inquiry Results. AWESOME ! AWESOME DREAM - for us all.

 

[Freeminds]

<snip> Consequently, an investigation is well under way in the UK. I suspect that they will owe about 10 years worth of back taxes there. They won't handle that one easily.

Due to the statute of limitations, I expect we're looking at seven years' back taxes. Still, an interesting dilemma for CofS. For decades, it's been built on the principle that money should only ever flow 'up-lines'. Now, if the exposure of the COSRECI tax fraud prompts a demand for back taxes... how will those back taxes be paid?

HM Revenue & Customs won't mess about. They never do. They won't wait for some "donation drive" to raise funds from the remaining UK victims of Scientology. If they find evidence of tax fraud, they'll make a dawn raid to seize Saint Hill Manor, and auction it off at their convenience. Scientology won't just lose money: it'll lose its spiritual home, and I don't think CofS will ever recover from that.

 

[degraded being]

Due to the statute of limitations, I expect we're looking at seven years' back taxes. Still, an interesting dilemma for CofS. For decades, it's been built on the principle that money should only ever flow 'up-lines'. Now, if the exposure of the COSRECI tax fraud prompts a demand for back taxes... how will those back taxes be paid?

HM Revenue & Customs won't mess about. They never do. They won't wait for some "donation drive" to raise funds from the remaining UK victims of Scientology. If they find evidence of tax fraud, they'll make a dawn raid to seize Saint Hill Manor, and auction it off at their convenience. Scientology won't just lose money: it'll lose its spiritual home, and I don't think CofS will ever recover from that.

Seize the idle orgs.

 

[Zhent]

Hello!

This morning the ABC's Breakfast program did a segment on this, and they held a live interview with Senator Annette Hurley - The Chair of the Senate Committee report into the not for profit sector.
I was fortunate enough to be watching ABC News 24 at the time, and again fortunate enough to record the segment, process it, and upload it

http://vimeo.com/14815485

The video processing should finish in a minute.

 

[Feral]

Oh, happy day.

Thanks to all who made this happen.

You're all angels.

So, if CoS loses it's charity status in Australia, then what will happen in England?

Foti, you may have your answer from Mate, Kooka and RogerB but I wanted to add something to it.

Should the Cof$ side step the COSRECI matter in the UK through expensive a clever legal shenanigans and not have to come up with something like 30 years of VAT then come next June CoSRECI will be subjected to a Public Benefit Test.

How do you think it'll fare?