Rex Fowler Charged With 1st Degree Murder!

[Kathy (ImOut)]

There is an 800lb gorilla in this room.

If the Ciancios sue one of the main defendants will be the insurance company, yes Fowler and his "estate" will be part of it too but, from the sounds of it, he does not have a lot of assets but that may well be wrong.

There are some interesting possibilities and I hope the attorney's for the Ciancio family start searching the internet and find this place. The $200,000 of course is one starting point, the money that Fowler has on account at various orgs all are grist to the mill.

Back to the insurance company - they are going to wish to get this settled asap and as cheaply as they can. They will not care about whether Scientology gets "exposed" all they will wish to do is to pay the least they have to. they are not going to want to go to court especially if Fowler is convicted beforehand.

Ciancio was killed at work. There are workmen's comp claims to consider as well.

All very bureacratic I know but, I am hopeful, that Mr Ciancio's family will be able to get a very good settlement that will enable them to get on with their lives.

He didn't work there anymore, so I doubt workmen's comp will come into play.

 

[Kathy (ImOut)]

This tragedy lays directly at the feet of the cocksucker David Miscavige.

It is brutally simple. Rex Fowler was under more duress for donations to Cof$ than he could handle and he cracked, mid OT 7. The Cof$ created an enforced must have / can't have in Fowler that ruined him utterly.

He improperly diverted well over a hundred thousand dollars of company funds to the Cof$.

His wife and the President of the company were quite possibly accomplices to this.

The man he shot and killed was aware of the defaults in company receivables due to the recession and the resultant harm to the company cash flow caused by Fowlers' embezzlement and in fact had resigned in protest over it.

Of course in true Scilon fashion, Fowler held Cianco responsible for the shortfall in receivables.

When confronted by Cianco, Fowler had his withhold missed big time. Fowler premeditatedly shot and killed Cianco, then bungled his own suicide and instead lobotomized himself.

His wife immediately went into Cof$ CYA mode.

Let's hope the Denver authorities sort this one out well.

(Don't blame the gun - the second amendment is recognition of the right of FREE people to survive and unique to the USA; those who would disagree have been victimized by too much liberal press or just can't handle the nature of life itself in this universe.)

(I don't doubt Fowlers' session worksheets, repair lists and C/S were with him - at Executive Software a special room was set up just for those staff on solo nots so they could get in their daily sessions through the day.)

Don't doubt the Cof$ will work overtime to spin this away - injunctions, lie and deny, etc. ad nauseum.

I think you nailed it.

The gun did NOT kill Ciancio - Fowler murdered him.

 

[GreyWolf]

As far as Fowler being mentally unballanced goes, if I was on the upper levels and every time I got to the EP of a level and originated that I had no BT's left, then found out on the next level that it was not quite true, I would more than likely be nuts too.

 

[skydog]

What is interesting is that Rex wrote that there was nothing confidential in the briefcase.

He could have looked on the internet and realized that the stuff is on the net to begin . . .
Mary

I was thinking the same thing when I read it. There is no longer any confidential information on the internet. Maybe this was all just a big fuck you from Rex to COB!!! Cutting off one's nose to spite his face seems pretty common reaction from the clams.

 

[Mick Wenlock]

He didn't work there anymore, so I doubt workmen's comp will come into play.

Yes it does -he was there to finish off his work commitment and to be compensated.

 

[AngeloV]

This is such an extreme good news, bad news situation.
Good News
1. CoS has the biggest PR disaster since the death of Lisa M.
2. A large revenue stream will most likely be dammed up.
3. A civil suit brought by the family of the deceased may expose OT materials and the extreme duress caused by church regging practices.
Bad News
Someone had to die.

 

[Mockingbird6]

Another point

Since Ciancio was shot in "the courseroom", it looks like Fowler Software may have been a "Model of Admin Knowhow" award winner from WISE (one of the stipulations is an in-house courseroom teaching Hubbard Business Management--Scientology Policy/Comm Course/etc.--to all staff). This is a further tie-in to show the influence of Scientology in the whole mess.

 

[Kathy (ImOut)]

Yes it does -he was there to finish off his work commitment and to be compensated.

I just don't know the laws about this. And I couldn't find anything on the Colorado's Workers Comp website.

 

[byte301]

This is so sad on so many levels. I feel so sorry for the deceased's family.

 

[Axiom142]

They will no doubt be paid to keep their mouths shut, and a little bit of blackmail could help them to decide.....
but is settling out of court for first degree murder an option? Can he stay out of the klink that way?

Actually, who know's? OSA is having meetings about what to offer, who to offer it to, who to blackmail, who should be made to shut up, who should be made to say something useful for OSA who should be sued, who should be "lied to, tricked...." what the shore stories are going to be. What a fucking Engram! There must be a huge intergalactic past lives whole track earlier similar implant by passed charge producing basic at the end of the chain on this one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can’t see this happening. Even the CoS aren’t that stupid.

At the moment, they are in line for some very bad publicity, but this is just one more example on top of all the bad publicity they’ve had over the past few years.

But, if they attempt to interfere with a murder investigation, that becomes a very serious matter. Obstruction of Justice carries a hefty punishment and if they get caught, this would go all the way to the top (remember that Tommy Davis stated that Miscavige was in charge of the CoS and we have several witnesses that could testify that nothing happens at a strategic level without his approval). If Miscavige went to jail, the demise of the ‘church’ of Scientology would follow very soon afterwards.

I have never heard of a court (at least in a country with a proper judicial system) allowing a perpetrator to buy his way out of a murder charge. And, I cannot see why the DA would settle for a plea bargain when they clearly have Fowler banged to rights for a capital crime.

If Fowler has any sense, he will go for the insanity defence. Of course, given his (self-inflicted) injury he actually might not have any sense left, in which case his defence lawyer might enter a plea for him.

Axiom142

 

[Axiom142]

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Back to the insurance company - they are going to wish to get this settled asap and as cheaply as they can. They will not care about whether Scientology gets "exposed" all they will wish to do is to pay the least they have to. they are not going to want to go to court especially if Fowler is convicted beforehand.

Ciancio was killed at work. There are workmen's comp claims to consider as well.

All very bureacratic I know but, I am hopeful, that Mr Ciancio's family will be able to get a very good settlement that will enable them to get on with their lives.

I don’t know how personal liability insurance works in the US. Is it usual for a person to have cover to pay the victims if they murder someone?

And, since it happened at a work place, is it possible that Fowler Software might get prosecuted for a breach of Health and Safety regulations and sued for allowing one of its employees to have a gun a work?

Axiom142

 

[Kathy (ImOut)]

I don’t know how personal liability insurance works in the US. Is it usual for a person to have cover to pay the victims if they murder someone?

And, since it happened at a work place, is it possible that Fowler Software might get prosecuted for a breach of Health and Safety regulations and sued for allowing one of its employees to have a gun a work?

Axiom142

Companies usually write their own gun policies. In TX, even tho you are allowed to keep a gun in your vehicle, some companies do NOT allow you to have a gun in your vehicle while on company property. (The people of TX are currently trying to change that law.) And if you have a carry permit, some companies can still write into their company policy that you can NOT carry the gun on you while in the building of the company.

When I was in CO last summer, I could keep my gun in my trunk, but not in the cab, while I was in the state. (Granted, it doesn't do me a lot of good in the trunk, but I did follow that rule, since getting caught with it where I wasn't allowed to have it would be bad.)

 

[Zinjifar]

I don’t know how personal liability insurance works in the US. Is it usual for a person to have cover to pay the victims if they murder someone?

And, since it happened at a work place, is it possible that Fowler Software might get prosecuted for a breach of Health and Safety regulations and sued for allowing one of its employees to have a gun a work?

Axiom142

I think it's called 'A Hostile Work Environment'

Zinj

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Companies usually write their own gun policies. In TX, even tho you are allowed to keep a gun in your vehicle, some companies do NOT allow you to have a gun in your vehicle while on company property. (The people of TX are currently trying to change that law.) And if you have a carry permit, some companies can still write into their company policy that you can NOT carry the gun on you while in the building of the company.

Property owners are normally allowed to determine who has a right to carry arms on their own property. Denial of that right would arguably be an infringement of property holder's rights. Carry permits do not apply to private property.

For obvious reasons insurance companies are loath to encourage arms being made readily available at insured companies workplaces.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Enthetan]

News update

9News:Ex-employee remembers hearing 1 final shot in workplace shooting


ADAMS COUNTY - Ubaldo Ciminieri remembers hearing three shots. Then he remembers hearing silence. And then he remembers hearing one final shot.

After that, "it was just chaos," the former employee of Fowler Software Design said. He didn't know it at the time, but now he knows precisely what Adams County investigators suspect.

They believe the founder of the company, Rex Fowler, shot and killed the company's former Chief Operating Officer on Dec. 30, 2009, shortly after Tom Ciancio arrived to pick up a nearly $10,000 severance check. They also believe Fowler used the final shot to shoot himself in the head. He survived the shot, and is now in custody at an "undisclosed location" according to the Adams County District Attorneys Office.

Prosecutors have charged Fowler with one count of first-degree murder. He was advised of his rights "by phone" on Monday.

"(Ciancio) was a really good friend to me and my wife," Ciminieri said on Monday.

Ciancio resigned from the company in late November.

"He was extremely frustrated because he felt like he couldn't get the support that he needed to correctly run the technical division and to correctly manage projects," Ciminieri added.

Ciminieri is well aware of the business' connection to the Church of Scientology.

"The majority of the members were Scientologists," he said.

Yet he quickly added, "There was never any pressure on me to join the church. You know, they never really said or brought in the church aspect, but it was there."

Ciminieri told investigators Fowler had taken around $160,000 of the company's money without asking a few years ago. He added Fowler later explained he gave it to "a charity in Africa or something like that." That eventually, according to Ciminieri, led to the company promoting someone else as its CEO.

Another employee told investigators he and Ciancio had been able to see "several large withdrawls by William (Rex) Fowler totaling in the area of $200,000 to $250,000."

Court documents suggest "Thomas Ciancio did not like William Fowler taking the company's money and causing a financial hardship on the company... (Ciancio) became frustrated with the way the company was being run and resigned in November 2009."

Ciancio showed up at Fowler Software Design on Dec. 30, 2009, expecting to pick up a check from the company. Shortly thereafter, investigators believe, Fowler shot Ciancio three times in the head.

"It was (Ciancio's) son's birthday and he wanted to close this part of his business life and move on," Ciminieri said.

Ciminieri now works for a company called "Business Controls" which is specifically geared for dealing with workplace violence.

"It just happens to be the perfect place where I feel I can use my experience to help people prevent workplace violence," he said.

 

[AngeloV]

Sad

9News:Ex-employee remembers hearing 1 final shot in workplace shooting


ADAMS COUNTY - Ubaldo Ciminieri remembers hearing three shots. Then he remembers hearing silence. And then he remembers hearing one final shot.

After that, "it was just chaos," the former employee of Fowler Software Design said. He didn't know it at the time, but now he knows precisely what Adams County investigators suspect.

They believe the founder of the company, Rex Fowler, shot and killed the company's former Chief Operating Officer on Dec. 30, 2009, shortly after Tom Ciancio arrived to pick up a nearly $10,000 severance check. They also believe Fowler used the final shot to shoot himself in the head. He survived the shot, and is now in custody at an "undisclosed location" according to the Adams County District Attorneys Office. I'm beginning to think the "undisclosed location" is one of Denver's psychiatric hospitals.

[snip]

"It was (Ciancio's) son's birthday and he wanted to close this part of his business life and move on," Ciminieri said. This really sucks the big one. Poor kid.

Ciminieri now works for a company called "Business Controls" which is specifically geared for dealing with workplace violence.

"It just happens to be the perfect place where I feel I can use my experience to help people prevent workplace violence," he said.

My comments in bold.

 

[degraded being]

I can’t see this happening. Even the CoS aren’t that stupid.

At the moment, they are in line for some very bad publicity, but this is just one more example on top of all the bad publicity they’ve had over the past few years.

But, if they attempt to interfere with a murder investigation, that becomes a very serious matter. Obstruction of Justice carries a hefty punishment and if they get caught, this would go all the way to the top (remember that Tommy Davis stated that Miscavige was in charge of the CoS and we have several witnesses that could testify that nothing happens at a strategic level without his approval). If Miscavige went to jail, the demise of the ‘church’ of Scientology would follow very soon afterwards.

I have never heard of a court (at least in a country with a proper judicial system) allowing a perpetrator to buy his way out of a murder charge. And, I cannot see why the DA would settle for a plea bargain when they clearly have Fowler banged to rights for a capital crime.

If Fowler has any sense, he will go for the insanity defence. Of course, given his (self-inflicted) injury he actually might not have any sense left, in which case his defence lawyer might enter a plea for him.

Axiom142

It was a rhetorical question.

 

[Thrak]

I can’t see this happening. Even the CoS aren’t that stupid.

At the moment, they are in line for some very bad publicity, but this is just one more example on top of all the bad publicity they’ve had over the past few years.

But, if they attempt to interfere with a murder investigation, that becomes a very serious matter. Obstruction of Justice carries a hefty punishment and if they get caught, this would go all the way to the top (remember that Tommy Davis stated that Miscavige was in charge of the CoS and we have several witnesses that could testify that nothing happens at a strategic level without his approval). If Miscavige went to jail, the demise of the ‘church’ of Scientology would follow very soon afterwards.

I have never heard of a court (at least in a country with a proper judicial system) allowing a perpetrator to buy his way out of a murder charge. And, I cannot see why the DA would settle for a plea bargain when they clearly have Fowler banged to rights for a capital crime.

If Fowler has any sense, he will go for the insanity defence. Of course, given his (self-inflicted) injury he actually might not have any sense left, in which case his defence lawyer might enter a plea for him.

Axiom142

I agree with most of what you said. The point I was making about buying you're way out was in reference to O.J. It is possible, but I doubt he has that kind of cash. And once again remember that the guy is probably missing a significant part of his brain and I'm sure his eventual condition will be a big factor in how things proceed. I doubt we will see a lot of wrangling here or some wild self defense theory if he can't talk or think right. The insanity defense would be epic fail - for CofS at least.

As for where he is, I'm sure it's some secured medical facility and he's probably restrained, sedated and definitely on suicide watch. They don't like to let murderers off themselves before trial.

 

[Mockingbird6]

The reason why

The reason why Fowler is being held at an undisclosed location is because the police are so F'ing tired of having the reges drop in unannounced to try to get another donation!!! LOL

Or at the very least, OSA dropping in to try to tell Rex what happened.

LOL again.

 

[Feral]

The reason why Fowler is being held at an undisclosed location is because the police are so F'ing tired of having <SNIP> OSA dropping in to try to tell Rex what happened.

LOL again.

I know you were joking, but there is every possibility that could happen.

After all, in Scientology isn't 'reality' just the 'agreed upon' version of the circumstances?

So, what is it to the cult if thet get Rex to 'agree' to their version of the truth? To them that would be 'reality'.