Rex Fowler Charged With 1st Degree Murder!

[Axiom142]

It was a rhetorical question.

And your point is? :confused2:

If someone posts something on a public forum, then it is highly likely that someone will respond to that post (especially if it concerns guns and US citizens are involved ), whether a question was asked or not.

Most people are very glad to get quoted by me.

Ax

 

[Div6]

As an outsider, listening, hearing, what Jan Fowler, the wife of shooter, has said, about Rex being a scn'ist, about the dead man 'threatening' Rex with a lawsuit over moneys owed, blah blah, that Rex wouldn't go (give in?) without a fight - 'he's a scientologist', etc (-or whatever specifically the press has said she stated), I get the IMPRESSION, as a wog, ahem, that she believes that BECAUSE her husband is a scn'ist, he could shoot someone - anyone - for bringing a lawsuit against him - and it is not a crime, like the bad guy here is the dead man because he wanted money (owed to him).

The f'g AUDACITY ! - that a WOG would so threaten a scn'ist with a lawsuit - over money ! Such Wogs don't deserve to live, and it's not a crime to 'remove' them from existance.

This is how it comes off the the uninitiated - IMO. It is such a ludicrous justification. Jan Fowler, Rex - have both gone over the edge. Scn - me thinks - is sawing away, as Jan speaks, as I write, at the ropes holding them from the long, long fall (if they haven't already hit the bottom - clueless).

If it weren't so tragic, for the dead man and his family, and yes, for the Fowlers too, for all scn'ists, this would be funny - or night time tv 'movie of the week' fodder.

Hey - that's not a bad idea . . . if producers / tv execs have the guts to take it on.

If Rex Fowler went "PTS" to this situation, it would mean even more "review" and sec-checking at Solo NOTS rates.....

For PTSNess, the mantra is "Handle or disconnect".

It seems he went a bit overboard on the former and botched the latter.....IF he is culpable.

 

[Mockingbird6]

Misquoted

As an outsider, listening, hearing, what Jan Fowler, the wife of shooter, has said, about Rex being a scn'ist, about the dead man 'threatening' Rex with a lawsuit over moneys owed, blah blah, that Rex wouldn't go (give in?) without a fight - 'he's a scientologist', etc (-or whatever specifically the press has said she stated), I get the IMPRESSION, as a wog, ahem, that she believes that BECAUSE her husband is a scn'ist, he could shoot someone - anyone - for bringing a lawsuit against him - and it is not a crime, like the bad guy here is the dead man because he wanted money (owed to him).

I myself am speculating wildly all over the place but this one is missing the mark.

What Jan Fowler said was that her husband would not give in to someone attacking him with a gun without putting up a fight. This was when she actually thought Ciancio had started it. She did not say Rex would not give in to someone bringing a lawsuit without shooting him.

Come to think of it, Lurker 5, you are right that it appears he "did not give in to someone bringing a law suit without shooting him." I'm only saying that is not what Jan Fowler meant.

 

[Lurker5]

thank you for that correction

Thank you, Mockingbird6, for that correction. You are right, that is what she meant, now that I think back on it. I wonder how many in the general public mis-heard / 'mis-understood' it too?

 

[Thrak]

As an outsider, listening, hearing, what Jan Fowler, the wife of shooter, has said, about Rex being a scn'ist, about the dead man 'threatening' Rex with a lawsuit over moneys owed, blah blah, that Rex wouldn't go (give in?) without a fight - 'he's a scientologist', etc (-or whatever specifically the press has said she stated), I get the IMPRESSION, as a wog, ahem, that she believes that BECAUSE her husband is a scn'ist, he could shoot someone - anyone - for bringing a lawsuit against him - and it is not a crime, like the bad guy here is the dead man because he wanted money (owed to him).

The f'g AUDACITY ! - that a WOG would so threaten a scn'ist with a lawsuit - over money ! Such Wogs don't deserve to live, and it's not a crime to 'remove' them from existance.

This is how it comes off to the uninitiated - IMO. It is such a ludicrous justification. Jan Fowler, Rex - have both gone over the edge. Scn - me thinks - is sawing away, as Jan speaks, as I write, at the ropes holding them from the long, long fall (if they haven't already hit the bottom - clueless).

If it weren't so tragic, for the dead man and his family, and yes, for the Fowlers too, for all scn'ists, this would be funny - or night time tv 'movie of the week' fodder.

Hey - that's not a bad idea . . . if producers / tv execs have the guts to take it on.

She probably didn't know what had happened when she said that but yes you are right a big part of the scio head fuck is this phony superiority like all scios are superior to "wogs". scientologists really believe they have have taken the next step forward in evolution to "homo novus" and believe their "cause" is so important it would be justified taking out a "wog" if he were threatening a scio or his church.

But then again you have to realize only a small percentage would take it this far but I believe the combination of the extreme and in my opinion homicidal push for money from the "church", the nature of the ot levels, and the constant implanting one receives while at any "org" are enough to send people over the edge. And it has happened that in numerous cases.

 

[Axiom142]

A comment at the SPTimes.

meme555 wrote:

Isn't it ironic that the Scientology haters consistently go off-topic and then resort to name calling? But, to comment on the Fowler incident: to be accused of a crime is not the same as being convicted of one. And, btw, both men had guns. Both men were shot. I would dare say, let our justice system bear this ine out. However, if you think someone is guilty just because they are a Scientologist then you have clearly crossed the line into the realm of bigotry.

I saw that too. I thought about responding, but then I thought “What is the point?” Deluded Scientologists tend to lose the capacity to hear ‘entheta (i.e. anything that disagrees with their worldview). Obviously this ‘person’ (OSAbot?) hasn’t bothered to actually study the facts.

In the police report, there is no mention of another gun, therefore it didn’t exist. Ciancio was seated at a desk and at least 2 rounds were fired into his head from behind. Other witnesses have described a gap between the first set of 3 shots and the final one. The inescapable conclusion is therefore that Fowler was talking to Ciancio at the desk, was enraged by this ‘wog’ who dared to leave and expected to be paid, thus robbing Fowler of valuable money that should rightfully go to his beloved ‘church’. This, coupled with the problems that he had been experiencing in his auditing and pressures from the CoS for more money and time, resulted in him losing all self-control. So, he pulls out his Glock Model 19 and removes the immediate ‘cause’ of his problems.

After a few seconds, reality hits home and he sees the enormity of his actions and is unable to confront the consequences and so tries to ‘solve’ this problem by forcible self-exteriorisation.

I’m sure that Kooka is right and that OSA are already spinning a ‘new reality’.

In this scenario, Ciancio is a psych patient and has been programmed to destroy Fowler. Ciancio arrives at the office and demands to see Fowler. When they are alone, Ciancio pulls out his Colt M1911 and rams it under Fowler’s chin, demanding that he announce over the company PA that L Ron Hubbard was a conman.

Obviously, Fowler would rather lose his body that ever do this, and refuses. Ciancio is insistent and threatens to kill Fowler unless he agrees to his dastardly plan. Bravely, Fowler summons up all of his OT powers of confront and uses his knowledge of the ARC triangle to get into communication with Ciancio and defuse the situation.

But, Ciancio has been pumped full of a cocktail of mind-altering psych drugs and is totally out of valence and communication. Realising that the situation is hopeless and unwilling to compromise his reality by denouncing LRH, Fowler teleports his Glock from its secure location at his home. But before he can harmlessly shoot the automatic from Ciancio’s hand, his assailant becomes aware of this and pulls the trigger, shooting Fowler through the top of his head. With a superhuman effort, Fowler goes exterior and remotely-controlling his badly damaged body, shoots Ciancio in the head.

To his horror, he realises that Ciancio is so full of drugs that he is not stopping, so Fowler reluctantly fires twice more before Ciancio slumps to the ground. Fowler then calls the police and again uses his complete mastery of bodily processes to partially heal his body and prevent it from succumbing to the grievous injuries it has suffered.

Or something like that.

Unfortunately for OSA, when they start lying like this, they don’t know when to stop. And when the truth does finally get through to their followers, the effect is much worse than if they had just said nothing as it will be clear that they have been lying and people start to ask why.

Axiom142

 

[Mick Wenlock]

I just don't know the laws about this. And I couldn't find anything on the Colorado's Workers Comp website.

I checked with our counsel here at work and they were definite about it, but they are not the final word I guess. So it will be something to look for as this thing unfolds.

 

[TalleyWhacker]

I saw that too. I thought about responding, but then I thought “What is the point?” Deluded Scientologists tend to lose the capacity to hear ‘entheta (i.e. anything that disagrees with their worldview). Obviously this ‘person’ (OSAbot?) hasn’t bothered to actually study the facts.

In the police report, there is no mention of another gun, therefore it didn’t exist. Ciancio was seated at a desk and at least 2 rounds were fired into his head from behind. Other witnesses have described a gap between the first set of 3 shots and the final one. The inescapable conclusion is therefore that Fowler was talking to Ciancio at the desk, was enraged by this ‘wog’ who dared to leave and expected to be paid, thus robbing Fowler of valuable money that should rightfully go to his beloved ‘church’. This, coupled with the problems that he had been experiencing in his auditing and pressures from the CoS for more money and time, resulted in him losing all self-control. So, he pulls out his Glock Model 19 and removes the immediate ‘cause’ of his problems.

After a few seconds, reality hits home and he sees the enormity of his actions and is unable to confront the consequences and so tries to ‘solve’ this problem by forcible self-exteriorisation.

I’m sure that Kooka is right and that OSA are already spinning a ‘new reality’.

In this scenario, Ciancio is a psych patient and has been programmed to destroy Fowler. Ciancio arrives at the office and demands to see Fowler. When they are alone, Ciancio pulls out his Colt M1911 and rams it under Fowler’s chin, demanding that he announce over the company PA that L Ron Hubbard was a conman.

Obviously, Fowler would rather lose his body that ever do this, and refuses. Ciancio is insistent and threatens to kill Fowler unless he agrees to his dastardly plan. Bravely, Fowler summons up all of his OT powers of confront and uses his knowledge of the ARC triangle to get into communication with Ciancio and defuse the situation.

But, Ciancio has been pumped full of a cocktail of mind-altering psych drugs and is totally out of valence and communication. Realising that the situation is hopeless and unwilling to compromise his reality by denouncing LRH, Fowler teleports his Glock from its secure location at his home. But before he can harmlessly shoot the automatic from Ciancio’s hand, his assailant becomes aware of this and pulls the trigger, shooting Fowler through the top of his head. With a superhuman effort, Fowler goes exterior and remotely-controlling his badly damaged body, shoots Ciancio in the head.

To his horror, he realises that Ciancio is so full of drugs that he is not stopping, so Fowler reluctantly fires twice more before Ciancio slumps to the ground. Fowler then calls the police and again uses his complete mastery of bodily processes to partially heal his body and prevent it from succumbing to the grievous injuries it has suffered.

Or something like that.

Unfortunately for OSA, when they start lying like this, they don’t know when to stop. And when the truth does finally get through to their followers, the effect is much worse than if they had just said nothing as it will be clear that they have been lying and people start to ask why.

Axiom142

Quite a yarn there, 142.
Under most circumstances, (with normal people) I wouldn't think anyone would go for it but KoolAid drinkers? ...well, I think you're on to something!

Go to print with that one!!! This is BPI!!!

 

[Lurker5]

Yes, Thrak

I agree Thrak. The pressure on Rex must have been unbearable. He chose to take his life - tried/failed. He saw no other way out. The CoS had him pushed inside a very small box, boxed-in and sealed completely. I just wish he hadn't blamed and taken out an innocent - in his attempt to 'escape' his problems. I understand that is SOP in the CoS - finding someone else to blame. Not my idea of ethics at all. It is not an attractive human trait.

Sooo, will the oblivious public pick up on how big this is? Will the media delve into it, the Scn aspect, or will they quake in their boots and pretend it doesn't exist? That is the question.

Just one more brick in the wall . . .

 

[Thrak]

I saw that too. I thought about responding, but then I thought “What is the point?” Deluded Scientologists tend to lose the capacity to hear ‘entheta (i.e. anything that disagrees with their worldview). Obviously this ‘person’ (OSAbot?) hasn’t bothered to actually study the facts.

In the police report, there is no mention of another gun, therefore it didn’t exist. Ciancio was seated at a desk and at least 2 rounds were fired into his head from behind. Other witnesses have described a gap between the first set of 3 shots and the final one. The inescapable conclusion is therefore that Fowler was talking to Ciancio at the desk, was enraged by this ‘wog’ who dared to leave and expected to be paid, thus robbing Fowler of valuable money that should rightfully go to his beloved ‘church’. This, coupled with the problems that he had been experiencing in his auditing and pressures from the CoS for more money and time, resulted in him losing all self-control. So, he pulls out his Glock Model 19 and removes the immediate ‘cause’ of his problems.

After a few seconds, reality hits home and he sees the enormity of his actions and is unable to confront the consequences and so tries to ‘solve’ this problem by forcible self-exteriorisation.

I’m sure that Kooka is right and that OSA are already spinning a ‘new reality’.

In this scenario, Ciancio is a psych patient and has been programmed to destroy Fowler. Ciancio arrives at the office and demands to see Fowler. When they are alone, Ciancio pulls out his Colt M1911 and rams it under Fowler’s chin, demanding that he announce over the company PA that L Ron Hubbard was a conman.

Obviously, Fowler would rather lose his body that ever do this, and refuses. Ciancio is insistent and threatens to kill Fowler unless he agrees to his dastardly plan. Bravely, Fowler summons up all of his OT powers of confront and uses his knowledge of the ARC triangle to get into communication with Ciancio and defuse the situation.

But, Ciancio has been pumped full of a cocktail of mind-altering psych drugs and is totally out of valence and communication. Realising that the situation is hopeless and unwilling to compromise his reality by denouncing LRH, Fowler teleports his Glock from its secure location at his home. But before he can harmlessly shoot the automatic from Ciancio’s hand, his assailant becomes aware of this and pulls the trigger, shooting Fowler through the top of his head. With a superhuman effort, Fowler goes exterior and remotely-controlling his badly damaged body, shoots Ciancio in the head.

To his horror, he realises that Ciancio is so full of drugs that he is not stopping, so Fowler reluctantly fires twice more before Ciancio slumps to the ground. Fowler then calls the police and again uses his complete mastery of bodily processes to partially heal his body and prevent it from succumbing to the grievous injuries it has suffered.

Or something like that.

Unfortunately for OSA, when they start lying like this, they don’t know when to stop. And when the truth does finally get through to their followers, the effect is much worse than if they had just said nothing as it will be clear that they have been lying and people start to ask why.

Axiom142

Keep in mind though that the police had reason to believe that that this was pre-meditated as he had left various notes for his wife as if he was going away.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Maybe he was just shooting the suppressive body thetan that offed the other guy.

Paul

Now THAT would be an interesting new argument for the defense to propose.

"Your honor, my client is only guilty of having attempted to stop a murder in the process of occurring. He is only guilty of acting in self-defense and in defense of the victim. His actions admittedly proved to be insufficiently timely, yet he sought to prevent the intentional murder of the victim by a hostile and aggressive spiritual entity who had assumed partial control of his own body."

That one would certainly make the law texts right alongside the "Twinkie Defense".


Mark A. Baker

 

[Axiom142]

Keep in mind though that the police had reason to believe that that this was pre-meditated as he had left various notes for his wife as if he was going away.

Yes Thrak, that’s the shocking part isn’t it?

That there was a note directing that his wife should get the briefcase and the fact that he had brought his gun into work, when it was allegedly usually left at home, could suggest that he had planned this.

If so, this is a very worrying development, but entirely in keeping with the ‘siege mentality’ within the CoS at the moment. “The enemies are everywhere.”

In any case, this may all be moot. What if Fowler is deemed unfit to stand trial because of his injuries? Would he be put in a secure nursing facility or would they have the trial without him?

I’m sure that the CoS would love it if he never got to face charges in court.

Axiom142

 

[Free2Dream]

Rex was advised via phone of the charges against him. The next court date will be next Monday. I wonder if he'll actually be there?

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_14266746

 

[Mockingbird6]

Rex was advised via phone of the charges against him. The next court date will be next Monday. I wonder if he'll actually be there?

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_14266746

Thanks for the link. One more scenario occurs to me: that the police have him in a secure but undisclosed location because they think someone from the church might try to "off" him to prevent his testimony?

 

[Free2Dream]

MB6, that's entirely possible. It could also be that he's received death threats, since he failed to finish the job himself. I was thinking it might also be so he can't be influenced by any church members, i.e. OSA.

I wonder if his family knows where his is or even gets to visit with him? If they do, do they know or care about how lucky they are? The only way Tom Ciancio's family can visit him is by going to the cemetary.

 

[Kathy (ImOut)]

More than likely Fowler is in a rehab facility. Getting physical therapy to reteach him how to do the basics - walk, talk, etc. It's much cheaper than being in a hospital, but he still gets the "looking after" that he probably still needs.

 

[Axiom142]

More than likely Fowler is in a rehab facility. Getting physical therapy to reteach him how to do the basics - walk, talk, etc. It's much cheaper than being in a hospital, but he still gets the "looking after" that he probably still needs.

Wouldn’t it be ironic if some fresh-faced VM turned up to give assists to the patients and said to Fowler “Scientology can help you with your problems!”

Ax

 

[Kathy (ImOut)]

Wouldn’t it be ironic if some fresh-faced VM turned up to give assists to the patients and said to Fowler “Scientology can help you with your problems!”

Ax

That is too damn funny.

Fowler's response: that's what got me in this condition/position - Scn. VM run while you can.

 

[Mockingbird6]

More speculation

Yet one more scenario for the undisclosed location: the police are trying to prevent Rex from getting his next instructions from the C/S!

It says, "Tell yourself you have permission to go."

 

[smartone]

Like, are there two Ubaldo Ciminieri's in the whole world?

Maybe more in the US at least.