Richard Reiss – Kha Khan Posted on March 21, 2011 by martyrathbun09| Leave a comment

[The Oracle]

Perhaps one of the most flawed, inhuman and arrogant postings I've read in years. You and Diana - and that errant comment poster on Marty's blog - are peas in a pod.

Richard DID DIE. This actually happened. It's not just an opinion.

You and others of your ilk have lost the ability to mark the line between your opinion and beliefs and the reality of life and death, of humanity and inhumanity.

Are you capable of seeing the difference?

What an amazing individual you must be.

Then again, such is just your opinion. Because let us be candid, Mark - you've never been where Richard was. You've certainly never put your head on the block in the same manner.

Monday morning quarterbacking; armchair critic; keyboard warrior: such a statement sans any reality to back it up belongs in these categories. After a search through ESMB, I can find no compelling evidence you could give to back up such an audacious statement.

Such inhumanity is heartbreaking. The blindness to it is the most heartbreaking of all.

Thank you for reminding me.

I understand your being repelled . But.

Once some people get on a stage where they have a set role, the applause comes from the bleeding crowds and keeps them proud. It gets easy to be hard.

Easy to be hard. Easy to be cold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj4vfrPdfdo

 

[The Oracle]

sorry I don't join in with the assorted wailing and gnashing of teeh and covering with ashes on the passing of Reiss.

presumably he was happy to go in the manner he did - after all he rpomoted and condemned many to the same fate so I assume he thought he was getting everything he deserved.

I would not wish the fate on anyone but as Reiss c/sed people INTO this.

Well I will shed no tears.

Easy to be hard.

 

[degraded being]

Easy to be hard.

Easy to be soft in the head too (not referring to you) = cult fodder.

 

[The Oracle]

Easy to be soft in the head too (not referring to you) = cult fodder.

OUCH! OUCH!

You're a hard one. And I know you've got your reasons.

These things that are pleasing you,.....................

 

[Gadfly]

OUCH! OUCH!

You're a hard one. And I know you've got your reasons.

These things that are pleasing you,.....................

..... can hurt you somehow.

Desperado! The Eagles! Henley rules.

Well, it's mainly Henley singing and playing the piano. So simple, and so amazingly beautiful.

Also from that great song, and quite appropriate:

"And freedom, oh freedom well, that's just some people talking"

Clay Demo that line, and write an essay on what that has to do with YOU (and your over-involvement with and exagerrated significance for such a group as Scientology)!

++++++

 

[The Oracle]

Desperado

What the hell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BwOXlGbW6Q

 

[Alanzo]

OUCH! OUCH!

You're a hard one. And I know you've got your reasons.

These things that are pleasing you,.....................

My God it's The Oracle!!!

Good to see you here, girl.

Now what were we arguing about???

 

[Rmack]

you're so doomed

..... can hurt you somehow.

Desperado! The Eagles! Henley rules.

Well, it's mainly Henley singing and playing the piano. So simple, and so amazingly beautiful.

Also from that great song, and quite appropriate:

"And freedom, oh freedom well, that's just some people talking"

Clay Demo that line, and write an essay on what that has to do with YOU (and your over-involvement with such a group as Scientology)!

++++++

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_S532DjrZk

 

[The Oracle]

Oh! Gush! Is it really you Alanzo!

I, I can't believe it's YOU again!

Why, see something wonderful happened, it's the rainbow above me!

 

[The Oracle]

..... can hurt you somehow.

Desperado! The Eagles! Henley rules.

Well, it's mainly Henley singing and playing the piano. So simple, and so amazingly beautiful.

Also from that great song, and quite appropriate:

"And freedom, oh freedom well, that's just some people talking"

Clay Demo that line, and write an essay on what that has to do with YOU (and your over-involvement with such a group as Scientology)!

++++++

Ug. This sounds like a cramming order. No thank you. T.O.

 

[The Oracle]

My God it's The Oracle!!!

Good to see you here, girl.

Now what were we arguing about???

We were arguing about the sadism involved with kicking a dead man.

 

[Big Farmer]

The poster is the author of the comment I replied about. Not someone else. He was not quoting anyone.

Mary.

Here is a section of the original post(118) by xtothextothey that is quoting a comment from Marty's blog.

Originally posted by xtothextothey

<snip>

The following is taken from an actual comment posted, and it encapsulates fully the kind of viewpoint Diana has chosen to promote. She may deny it, but not with any kind of credibility.

"Alright, let’s look at Richard Reiss. Obviously brilliant, ect., but that has nothing to do with it. My wife and I had an encounter with Richard Reiss and the level of out-Tech was appalling (I am a Class VIII.) He was just carrying out suppressive directives. In my opinion he was totally PTS and had collapsed into the suppressive valence.

How could somebody who was so highly trained in the Tech, and could quote it chapter and verse, generate such blatant out-Tech? Because his agreement with the suppressive directives was senior to his agreement with the Tech.

And how does one become PTS? Ultimately overts, evil purposes. We all know the story.

So I strip off the opinion and look at what he actually did. Was Richard Reiss a good guy? No, he was actually a being who had gone PTS and slipped into the suppressive valence.

And the only way he could get out was to die rather than face what he was actually doing."

It's all very, very disheartening. I did not agree with Richard's choices, but they were his choices, and I believe he worked very hard to do what he truly felt was right. Those involved in figuratively fighting over or spitting on his corpse should examine their actions and feel true shame.

After I wrongly associated the comment as being a quote from Diana, xtothextothey clarified the quote in post(146). I have bolded the most relevant part.

Originally posted by xtothextothey

To clarify (though I re-read and it wasn't particularly unclear):

I am not a believer in the "tech" - in any way, shape or form. The lines regarding "PTS/SP", and so on, were quoted from a comment posted on Marty's blog. That is why they had these marks around them " ", and is also why I stated that they were taken from a comment on Marty's blog.

I did not attribute that comment to Diana. Look for subtext as you like. I'm stating what I mean to say quite plainly. For those literal-minded individuals such as Mr. Baker, I'll spell it out more clearly: the comment enclosed in quotes and attributed as coming from Marty's blog was not posted by Diana, and I never intended to imply that it was.
<snipped>

Your original reply to xtothextothey came in post number 120 and it was this reply together with the reply by Gadfly that prompted my post.

Originally posted by AnonMary

originally posted by xtothextothey
<snip>

"Alright, let’s look at Richard Reiss. Obviously brilliant, ect., but that has nothing to do with it. My wife and I had an encounter with Richard Reiss and the level of out-Tech was appalling (I am a Class VIII.) He was just carrying out suppressive directives. In my opinion he was totally PTS and had collapsed into the suppressive valence.

How could somebody who was so highly trained in the Tech, and could quote it chapter and verse, generate such blatant out-Tech? Because his agreement with the suppressive directives was senior to his agreement with the Tech.

And how does one become PTS? Ultimately overts, evil purposes. We all know the story.

So I strip off the opinion and look at what he actually did. Was Richard Reiss a good guy? No, he was actually a being who had gone PTS and slipped into the suppressive valence. And the only way he could get out was to die rather than face what he was actually doing."
<snip>

Some presumptions there ( see bold above)
Many exs do not believe in the tech, especially ethics, PTS & SP tech. You may want to look around the forum in other areas and see that for your self.

Yourself and Gadfly both commented upon text that appeared within the quotation marks and to my understanding were addressing your comments to xtothextothey. Maybe the confusion arose because of the quote not being highlighted and formatted as it usually is in posts.

I don't understand your post number 147.

Originally Posted by AnonMary

Originally Posted by Big Farmer
Mary. Both you and Gadfly may have missed that xtothextothey was quoting Diana at that point of the text; That's how it reads to me.

Incorrect. He wrote a similar comment over at Mary's blog, under the nic name 'A Wise Fool'
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/201...comment-113348
See:
A Wise Fool | March 24, 2011 at 4:12 pm | Reply

<snipped>

Who is it you believe is using the nic 'A Wise Fool'?

Is it xtothextothey? :confused2:

 

[degraded being]

We were arguing about the sadism involved with kicking a dead man.

I am not talking about RR specifically because I never knew him.
Others knew him. Can't they decide for themselves whether or not they want to kiss him or kick him?
Does death make kicking someone more or less sadistic than when they are alive?
It might be sadistic to impose suffocating restrictions on what emotions or opinions living people can express about others, including dead others.
If people have unsatisfactory/bad dealings with people who then die, do you get compensated when they die? Do you get your money back if they have swindled you?
It is possible to respect the positive opinions that people have about a now-dead person without having to have the same opinions oneself....etc...

 

[The Oracle]

Does death make kicking someone more or less sadistic than when they are alive?

Working to unmock someone who is already dead is not something I would be able to explain to you. They are already as unmocked as they can get. Initiating a witch hunt or following a witch hunt on a dead man is some powerful black magic to behold.

And this does not have anything to do with Scientology. Most people can see when someone is dead already it is hard to tear them down any further and they back off. It's an energy investment thing. To understand this a person would need to have some perception about conditions. Conditions such life, death, at least.

T.O.

 

[Free to shine]

I am so saddened to hear of the passing of Richard Reiss. I knew him at Saint Hill in the 1970's and he was always kind and dignified, as I recall.

When Richard was Qual Sec, he was often late for morning "Battleplan" meetings in the Exec Office. The CO was Ann Glushakow, and I heard her on more than one occasion blaming his lateness on the fact that he was a "druggie". (He had taken LSD, as far as I remember, because we were on the Sweat Programme at the same time). It's more likely he was late because he believed students and PC's were more important than Battleplans!

I hope that is so. RIP Richard.

Solo

I think Ann had no tolerance for people who were not 100%, as she was not. How awful that any exec would do that to Richard....or to anybody. Fucking scientology.

 

[Alanzo]

We were arguing about the sadism involved with kicking a dead man.

You know what?

I've been over at the Scientology Forum a lot lately, talking to Scientologists.

And so I started sec checking myself, which is something that you tend to do after talking to Scientologists a lot.

And you know what else?

I found an overt on myself that I did to Hubbard.

And so since my overts are a topic of conversation now - also something which occurs quite frequently when I talk to Scientologists - I am going to confess one to you here on the Ex-Scientology Message Board.

I once, well... more than once, said that Hubbard died "alone, insane, and on psych drugs".

That was an overt.

Here's why:

Vistaril, which Dr. Eugene Denk administered to Hubbard in injectable form after the series of strokes that killed him, is the way that psychiatrists administer this drug to calm down psychiatric patients. But Vistaril in pill form is a first generation anti-histamine which causes extreme drowsiness, and which is used to alleviate allergies.

I suffer from allergies - something I never knew the whole time I was in Scientology, even with all my auditing.

And once, in the throes of a springtime allergic reaction, I took some Zyrtec, which is a second generation form of Vistaril, and it made me think of what I said about Hubbard dying "alone, insane and on psych drugs."

And I realized something.

We are all human.

And we all face death.

And while anyone can be criticized for the way they lived, since we all face the horror and suffering of death - the most extreme experience that we all can face - it is wrong to criticize anyone for the way they die.

And if I had a series of strokes, which I may well have when it is my time, then I hope someone will inject me with something to calm me down and make me feel better.

So I am sorry for saying that LRH died alone, insane and on pysch drugs.

We all may die that way.

Including me.

 

[The Oracle]

Mercy

That is mercy.

T.O.

 

[TG1]

You know what will likely be the "ultimate EP" of this whole ESMB / Exes / Indies / Anonymous experience?

We will all forgive each other.

TG1

 

[Panda Termint]

You know what will likely be the "ultimate EP" of this whole ESMB / Exes / Indies / Anonymous experience?

We will all forgive each other.

TG1

Nice. I look forward to the day.

 

[Alanzo]

Me too.

You first.