Richard Reiss – Kha Khan Posted on March 21, 2011 by martyrathbun09| Leave a comment

[degraded being]

Working to unmock someone who is already dead is not something I would be able to explain to you.
Am I dumb, or would it take to long or does it involve esoteric things which cannot be expressed in words?


They are already as unmocked as they can get.
Say's you. For believers in "survival after death" I don't see how you can know whether they are "unmocked" or more "mocked up" by having died.
For non-believers in survival beyond death, the "unmocking" has to be qualified a lot. People can live on in the memories etc of the living, and some people can become a bit larger-than-life *after* they die, if there are legends about them etc.

Initiating a witch hunt or following a witch hunt on a dead man is some powerful black magic to behold.

Well, a witch hunt, yeah, but how many people get that after they die? Some can get some fairly sour grapes, but most people just want to vent about their personal gripes to do with the dead person and death is a trigger which gives them an opportunity...and now that "Joe" is dead there might not be much else they can get for trouble they may have been caused by "Joe". Of course it's a waste of time, and maybe most people will just want to let things go, but for some it may be far better to get it out so the living can go on with their lives more peacefully...which is why, I suppose, wakes of various kinds are not uncommon in cultures.

And this does not have anything to do with Scientology. Most people can see when someone is dead already it is hard to tear them down any further and they back off. It's an energy investment thing.

The thing here is that when someone dies it often is something to do with scientology -since well-known scientologists who die will have their names put up if they die. I agree with your last paragraph that most people will back off, but surely that is enough.

When people die they would more easily enjoy a blissful after-life if they could delete their history. But it doesn't work that way. Living people are still living the ongoing history partly created by the dead one. In a way it is not "unmocking" a person at all to criticise them after death since they have to be "mocked up" to talk about them.
Whether it is fair etc, has to be decided by whoever does the talking.

I don't see much point in taking sides for and against a dead person, but then some people expect others to see the dead person through their eyes, which is asking too much IMO.

 

[Panda Termint]

Me too.

You first.

Why not all together?

 

[The Oracle]

I think we are a bit far behind this crowd, as a culture, when it comes to forgivness.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqPOKbTSMpk

 

[Mick Wenlock]

Easy to be hard.

actually it is easier to be one of the "oh it is all so terrible why can't we all get along and just love one another" crowd.

but hey - easy to make fatuous comments.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Perhaps one of the most flawed, inhuman and arrogant postings I've read in years. ...

Thank you. From you no doubt that serves as an encomium.

... You and Diana - and that errant comment poster on Marty's blog - are peas in a pod.

I'm sorry, but cancelling certs did not ruin people's lives. They FELT it ruined their lives.

"Alterations" of "the tech" did not ruin people's lives. They FEEL it did - and sometimes, only in retrospect, at that. ...

In many cases cancelling certs destroyed the financial wherewithal of families. Many of the individuals who had their certs cancelled so abruptly had gone into great debt to achieve their level of training and accordingly lost not only their funds but the intended goal of having expended those funds. Nor was his involvement in the mass cancellation of certs RR's only breech of personal integrity.

RR, as senior tech terminal and a high level exec, was personally responsible for supporting the incredibly destructive programs & policies of the church under Miscavige. He chose of his own volition to continue doing so despite his own unavoidable knowledge of the consequences of these actions & the effect of his support for them. I'm sure he was a nice man, yet the fact remains by his own actions & choices he has harmed thousands.

... Richard DID DIE. This actually happened. It's not just an opinion. ...

Yes. As do all living things. In his case he died from cancer; an all too common killer. Many on this board have families affected by forms of cancer. Many of these have lost loved ones. And in many cases the Co$ had absolutely NOTHING to do with it.

So your point would be?

... there's a special
providence in the fall of a sparrow. If it be now,
'tis not to come; if it be not to come, it will be
now; if it be not now, yet it will come: the
readiness is all: since no man has aught of what he
leaves, what is't to leave betimes?... Hamlet, V,ii,232-236

I gather you, like woody allen, aspire to achieve immortality through not dying? Good luck with your hopes but as said the Dread Pirate Roberts: get used to disappointment.

Death does not 'ennoble' the soul. Nor are the dead injured in anyway by having their actual living deeds remembered or discussed. Only lies can harm the dead, even the friendly euphemistic ones. They do so by continuing to harm the living in the name of protecting the deceased.

Should the same argument be applied to Hubbard, being as he is also deceased, and only let the 'good' be spoken of him, many on the board would find themselves with little to say. Better to speak the whole truth and let each individual be responsible for his own considerations.

... You and others of your ilk have lost the ability to mark the line between your opinion and beliefs and the reality of life and death, of humanity and inhumanity. ...

Actually I've done a reasonably decent job of attempting to differentiate between the differing facets of RR's character in my posts, your posts on the other hand ....


Mark A. Baker

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Perhaps one of the most flawed, inhuman and arrogant postings I've read in years. You and Diana - and that errant comment poster on Marty's blog - are peas in a pod.

I'm sorry, but cancelling certs did not ruin people's lives. They FELT it ruined their lives.

"Alterations" of "the tech" did not ruin people's lives. They FEEL it did - and sometimes, only in retrospect, at that.

Richard DID DIE. This actually happened. It's not just an opinion.

You and others of your ilk have lost the ability to mark the line between your opinion and beliefs and the reality of life and death, of humanity and inhumanity.

This is EXACTLY what I've been protesting on this thread. You equate the treatment of your "tech" with other, real world consequences.

And you're blind to the ghastliness of such statements. I should probably look at that last sentence and stop posting. Fanatics are blind, and I suppose arguing with them is counter-productive.

Imprisoning people; keeping them from getting adequate nutrition (via rice and beans, for example); not paying them; these are ACTUAL abuses.

Are you capable of seeing the difference?

Finally, your self-righteous piety in comparing yourself to Richard in terms of "what you'd do" is... all I can say is that my jaw quite literally fell open.

What an amazing individual you must be.

Then again, such is just your opinion. Because let us be candid, Mark - you've never been where Richard was. You've certainly never put your head on the block in the same manner.

Monday morning quarterbacking; armchair critic; keyboard warrior: such a statement sans any reality to back it up belongs in these categories. After a search through ESMB, I can find no compelling evidence you could give to back up such an audacious statement.

You and others proclaim to hold the keys to life. Why would I want "what you know", if it results in an amputation of basic human compassion?

I know there are a few who get this. Veda is a good example. I should note that Veda has not allied him/herself with me or my postings, so should not get tarred with the same brush.

I said my farewells, before, and here I am, again. I simply can't believe I used to feel such people were a part of my "group", or that I called them friends, however remotely.

Such inhumanity is heartbreaking. The blindness to it is the most heartbreaking of all.

I'm going to ask to have my user name removed. I seemed to have forgotten why I have taken such great care to ensure I have no friends who are scientologists, ex or otherwise.

Thank you for reminding me.

Thank you for reminding me that real and caring people are out there.

I wanted you to stay but I'm pleased (for you) that you don't feel the need to.

 

[Fly-on-the-Wall]

I didn't know Richard Reiss. Sorry to hear of one more victim of Scientology, though. Another untreated cancer.

But as far as the IRS and all that, I'm with HH. Marty's story sounds like a fairy tale for the Indies. Bill Clinton behind it? I doubt that very much. I'm sure the private, undocumented conversation is highly embellished, if not completely fabricated. This story is stupid, pure Rathbun media & PR:

"Fast forward a couple years.

Scientologist celebrity Ann Archer took a White House tour. To her surprise she was pulled aside and lead to the Oval Office. Moments later President Bill Clinton appeared for a very rare one on one meet and greet.

Ann thanked Clinton for his administration having granted tax exemption to her church.

Clinton told Archer a little story as to why he considered it was the right thing to do. Clinton said that in the sixties when he was pursuing his Rhodes scholarship at Oxford, he hung with a fraternity of Yale University graduates. He said that a couple of the members of that franternity were Scientologists. He said he never forgot how kind and spiritual they both were. He knew then and there – by the beingnesses and conduct of those Scientologists – that Scientology was a spriritual activity and that “Scientologists were good people.”

President Bill Clinton did not mention names. But, I’ll tell you straight-up, Richard Reiss was one of those Scientologist Yale graduate, Rhodes scholars who met Bill Clinton during those days in the sixties.

Richard never spoke to Clinton since Oxford.

Richard didn’t know him well enough to do so.

But, Richard didn’t have to."

Taking advantage of others' emotions to feed them a BS story about the IRS and the C of S is really low. When people are in a highly emotive state, they are vulnerable to this sort of brainwashing. Clinton and his administration had little or nothing to do with it and certainly nothing directly. This is just an effort to make it appear that the IRS agreement was so important and the C of S so important that the President had personally interfered. So much BS!

The C of S had already made great progress with the former IRS Commissioner in 1991, Fred T. Goldberg, Jr., and already had a tentative agreement that Marty had personally made but seems to have conveniently forgotten...

"Scientology leader David Miscavige and Marty Rathbun, another senior Scientology official, claim to have held an unscheduled meeting with IRS Commissioner, Fred T. Goldberg Jr. Miscavige offers to drop all the suits against the IRS if Scientology is given tax exemption. Goldberg agrees and creates a special five-member working group under Howard M. Schoenfeld to resolve the dispute, bypassing the agency's exempt organizations division, which normally handles those matters - an exceptionally unusual arrangement."

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au&source=www.google.com.au

The Commissioners changed around a bit. The agreement of Oct 1, 1993 between Scientology and the IRS was not signed by the IRS Commissioner, which was Shirley D. Peterson at the time. However, the former Acting Commissioner, Michael P Dolan, was still in some acting capacity as Commissioner at that time. The entire IRS was in a state of flux in those couple of years. The person who made the agreement with the C of S was the Deputy Commissioner, John E. Burke - undoubtedly in part based on the previous agreement Marty Rathbun had made with IRS Commissioner Goldberg but conveniently forgotten, in preference for the Clinton and Archer fairy tale.

Dox: http://sc-i-r-s-ology.com/documents/1993-10-01closingagrmt.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commissioner_of_Internal_Revenue

It wasn't some big conspiracy. And it is quite reversible, too. People in the IRS were blackmailed (see first link with timeline) and the flux of changes at that time made it ideal for the C of S to get its tax break. It was all a big mistake, some of it circumstantial, some of it due to MR and others' OSA coercive tactics. But it didn't have a thing to do with Pres Clinton - not per Marty's own earlier admissions. Caught again in a contradiction, Marty?

Who wrote the quoted text (in blue)? Mark Rathbun or ?

 

[Jachs]

Who wrote the quoted text (in blue)? Mark Rathbun or ?

I would presume so its on Martys webpage markrathbun.richard-reiss-kha-khan

 

[Jquepublic]

I disagree. Nobody is holding guns against anyone's heads in the Sea Org. While comparisons to totalitarian regimes are somewhat appropriate at times, there is not one single person in the Sea Org who can't get up and walk out if he or she chooses.

The ONLY reason any person stays is because of his or her OWN self-created, agreed-upon prison of mental beliefs and attitudes.

I routed out of the SO twice. It wasn't "easy", but also, it was in no way "horrible" or "traumatic". I just didn't buy into the shit, I kept my TRs in, I persisted, I quietly giggled to myself when they told me I would become a DB if I left, I ignored the executives when they threatened to bar me forever from my OT levels, I knew the "rules", and I kept going until "out". Yawn. I played along, but it was not even moderately "disturbing".

It seems to me that people at times (overly) exagerrate the "force" exerted by the group on members. Yes, there IS a tremendous amount of force, but all anyone has to do is change a few beliefs and ideas, and just WALK. Nobody can stop you if you really want to leave. The problem is that few REALLY want to leave. There IS a reason for that. Some seem to miss what this reason is. I will spell it out for those.

What holds any person there is his or her own BELIEFS about Scn, "eternity", "the workability of Scn", and all of THAT nonsense. Staff stay because they buy into that horseshit. Yes, there also may be some fear of having to "make it" in the big, bad wog world once one leaves. And after 20 or 30 years, that fear might grow. But, it is still minor when compared to the "severe KSW mindset" that acts as the iron that forms the prison cell bars.

I don't intend to be "mean", but I get a little tired of hearing some of this BS about, "oh, he or she was so great but was held against their will in a brutal environment". "He or she had no choice, and was only following orders". They ALL have a CHOICE.

This is NOT Saddam's Iraq or Hitler's Germany or Stalin's Russia! There are NO bullets threatening to kill you. In the end, each person who stays there CHOOSES to stay in the Sea Org, largely due to the dumb beliefs this person has agreed with, and these beliefs set him or her up to become the effect of all sorts of threats and coercion - threats and coercions that would not and COULD NOT exist if one didn't buy into the Scn paradigm.

While the prison and fear in Stalin's regime was physical, the prison in Scn is almost entirely "mental".

Even prison guards herding Jewish people to the gas chambers at times exhibited "decency" and "compassion". You have to be a fucking ROCK to fail to display these things at some point.

Scientology is a mindfuck. Sea Org members are severely mind-fucked. It is not a minor thing. The degree of indoctrination (i.e. brain-washing) is severe.

Scientologists do NOT take responsibility for their "beliefs". Usually, they can't even recognize these AS "beliefs" in his or herself, and most see their thoughts and views only as "truth". It is known as delusion. It is known as believing in fairy-tales, but worse, involves attempting to make the rest of the world ALIGN with these fairy tales. Nutty stuff really, this Scientology.

I don't mean to minimize RR's death, as ANYONE'S death hurts someone somewhere, and ANY death "is too early" as far as someone is concerned. But, people do die every day. You will die. I will die. We will, for the most part, die wherever we do based on own OWN CHOICES.

My wife died of cancer in the Sea Org. The FSO paid for all of her chemo and radiation treatments. She had a care-giver for the last 3 weeks, when she was on a morphine drip for the pain. There was NO intention to "cure her with auditing", and to forget about "regular medicine". I don't know where some of this shit comes from. Yes, I had to make a great deal of NOISE, and flapped on FSO lines to get some action in the beginning, but they did address the situation in all possible ways. In fact, she WANTED to also try Hulda Clarke's "zapper", but at the time the Church viewed it as "other practices", and forbade her from doing so. Whatever. Maybe if she had routine physical exams, and this is also probably true for other staff in the Sea Org, such diseases might be detected "earlier", and thus might be able to be better addressed if caught in time. But THAT failing is NOT unique to Scientology or the Sea Org. Poor people everywhere, who have no health insurance, are often the victims of "late detection".

The truth is the truth. Facts are facts.

The Church of Scientology sucks. Marty Rathboner sucks. Much of what Hubbard did sucks. And, people who choose to be there and stay there make their own beds. They are not all blind and dumb (though it may seem that way at times). For the most part, I suspect many simply compromise their values and integrity. Ortherwise, really, how could he or she STAY THERE? :confused2:

It is a criminal cult, set up by a master deceiver, which takes advantage of the good will, hopes and dreams of many decent people. But the buck DOES have to stop somewhere. The people who choose to stay DO assist and forward the abuses - each and every one of them.

And, every one of them will die sooner or later.

Note: Many of the SS elite in Hitler's Germany truly BELIEVED that they were "making a better world" and helping Man to evolve to a new and better "ubermensch". In a sick, demented sort of way, they had IDEALS and truly wanted to "help" Man attain glorious new heights! BEWARE such nonsense. The road to heaven is often strewn with the dead bodies of those who disagreeed! The SAME sort of crap exists in Scientology. "Good intentions" and "a desire to help ones fellow Man" are meaningless when the RESULTS contradict that claim or feeling. Judge ONLY on behavior and results. Do not be suckered by listening to claims, assertions, ideals, and expressions of "feelings" and "good intentions".

Look, don't listen! Look (at the real products), and don't listen (to all the claims, ideals, lofty intentions and PR).

++++++++

Exactly who are you preaching to? Not one SO member, outside the occasional OSA rep, is ever going to read a word you write.

You're not mean, but you're insensitive, occasionally arrogant and tend to over-simplify the complex psychological machinations that go on in the process of being in and then leaving the cult. You've either been out so long that you entirely forgot or you were never really IN for anything but your own personal gain.

I've only been here a couple weeks, yet I am sick of you and others on this board parading around post after post to try to forward what appears to be your personal agenda. You are no more of an expert on the cult than I am and we have entirely different opinions. That's all you HAVE, Gadfly - an opinion.

Have a fucking heart. These are people. GOOD people. Stop demonizing them every chance you get.

 

[Jquepublic]

You know what will likely be the "ultimate EP" of this whole ESMB / Exes / Indies / Anonymous experience?

We will all forgive each other.

TG1

THAT will be worth it.

 

[degraded being]

THAT will be worth it.

Who's going to be the first to say "I forgive you...for....."
Or shall we just make it a "blanket" forgiveness in case we cause an "out list". So we could say "I forgive you for EVERYTHING".
We could add a future clause "...and all the other things you will do in the future." That will be family squabble worth watching!

 

[Jquepublic]

Who's going to be the first to say "I forgive you...for....."
Or shall we just make it a "blanket" forgiveness in case we cause an "out list". So we could say "I forgive you for EVERYTHING".
We could add a future clause "...and all the other things you will do in the future." That will be family squabble worth watching!

Who knows?

Maybe we should do some crafts, have a dance, carry candles on paper plates down to the lake and release them while everyone sings Kumbaya.

Oh wait - that was 4H camp.

 

[Jquepublic]

Thank you. From you no doubt that serves as an encomium.




In many cases cancelling certs destroyed the financial wherewithal of families. Many of the individuals who had their certs cancelled so abruptly had gone into great debt to achieve their level of training and accordingly lost not only their funds but the intended goal of having expended those funds. Nor was his involvement in the mass cancellation of certs RR's only breech of personal integrity.

Name 10. In my field, people just ignored it and went on about their business. Diana herself said she ignored it and continued to do what she wanted.

RR, as senior tech terminal and a high level exec, was personally responsible for supporting the incredibly destructive programs & policies of the church under Miscavige. He chose of his own volition to continue doing so despite his own unavoidable knowledge of the consequences of these actions & the effect of his support for them. I'm sure he was a nice man, yet the fact remains by his own actions & choices he has harmed thousands.

You're conveniently ignoring the fact that this was an order that was executed by every staff member on every post in every org worldwide, to a greater or lesser extent. That includes me, by the way. Why hang the burden of responsibility for it on a dead man? I'm right here and poised for the attack.

My comments in bold

 

[Jquepublic]

Well, I feel a need to express my feelings about Richard. I am sorry he died at the age of 66, too young. (I'm 66 myself) I feel sympathy and sorrow for his children and for his wife Cala. Thankyou DOF, I do recall that her name was spelled that way. But I also want to register that Richard disappointed me. He was a smart guy, very highly tech trained, but he remained in his ivory C/S tower while on post and when not. In particular, for me, he did not question or challenge in any way the 'care' of children in the SO, the dominance at that time of the GO, their overriding fear of bad PR, or many other bad circumstances at Saint Hill at that time. He had a certain quiet, almost charisma, and was respected. He could have used that more profitably, I believe.

It is beyond me how any parent could hand their baby to the SO nursery and only see them for an hour or so at dinner time, pick them up at 11pm or in the early hours of the morning, and pass them back come 8am. Richard and Cala did that. God, I wonder, did they truly believe that was in their children's best interest?

<snip>

What did you do to improve the conditions of those children, then? I have to assume you took a strong position and made a stand, since you're so quick to condemn someone else for failing to do so.

 

[MostlyLurker]

I don't agree with you David. I never knew RR and I accept that he was a genuinely warm-hearted and caring individual. However, as a 'class xii' and in his role as DM's 'tech guy' he contributed to the destruction of the lives of literally thousands of scientologists. One case in point, his fronting on the cancellation of all certs was a clear 'tech degrade' with substantial life consequences for literally thousands of individuals. Nonetheless all that he did he did with a smile.

Now, less you think I mean to imply that he was 'evil', rest assured I don't. He was far from the only well-intentioned staffer who routinely engaged in suppressive behavior in an attempt to please a superior. There's even a scientology term for it, 'pts'; not that the church recognizes the validity of 'ptsness' when manifesting in that form. Still, a truth is a truth.
...

"Religion is an insult to human dignity.
With or without it you would have
good people doing good things
and evil people doing evil things.
But for good people to do evil things,
that takes religion."

-–Steven Weinberg, Nobel Laureate in physics

​

R.I.P Richard.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Very true, Fluff. But then another person would have been less likely to have the private agenda that Rathbun has in depicting himself as Bestower of Benefices and Acknowledger of Efforts among the community of scientologists.

Rathbun's blog exists solely to promote Rathbun's moral leadership. [ moral leadership: that has a certain innate ironic amusement when speaking of Rathbun] EVERYTHING MR puts on the blog is done first & foremost to promote himself & his own views as to an appropriate future for the Co$. He is certainly entitled to do so. Nonetheless, those of us who look with extreme scepticism on MR's own record are quite well justified to question the actual intent behind any of his remarks. To date the leopard has given no signs of having changed his spots.


Mark A. Baker

Regardless of whatever else Rathbun may have going, it was a nice eulogy.

When I read a nice eulogy I take it at face value.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

I don't know VC. I have a different take here.

The personal and real relationship between Marty Rathbun and Richard Reiss, I believe, would dictate the appropriateness, or in-appropriateness, of both the source and the content of any eulogy speech or speaking at either one of the others demise. And it is that in-appropriatness I believe that is being takin to task right here. Rightfully so I might add. In terms of source, content, and even the forum to boot. Which forum is context.

I have no horse in this race so I believe (and thus find, lol) I am able to understand the substance of the angst on the part of the author of the post you addressed above. The way I would phrase it is this: It seems there is a certain 'ruthlessness of being' that some scientology doctrines (in the practicing of) produces, in otherwise benign (or even benevolent) normal human beings, that otherwise would not be present. Which appears to be the case with Diana, to me.

And I hope I err, though I trust I do not.

For the Pen is mightier than the Sword, indeed.

Mojo

Well, I know what you're saying and Rathbun's relationship with Reiss would be quite relevant, just as you say. I do like the eulogy, however. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

 

[Veda]

The problem with this thread, at least partly, seems to be that, rather than being simply a eulogy thread, it's prefaced with the silly Scientological "Richard Reiss, Kha Khan" title from Rathbun. I mean, if Richard Reiss is "Kha Khan," then Hubbard must be super-"Kha Khan." No wonder Rathbun bristles when "LRH," "Mankind's Greatest Friend," is dissed by "wogs," "SPs," "DBs," "downstats," "natterers," "yappers," "bashers," "haters," "failed Scientologists," and "anti-Scientologists" everywhere.

That aside, I did a brief search for a 'Flag video promo' in which Richard Reiss encourages people to come to Flag to do, or continue with, their Solo OT 7. I couldn't find it, but these two items came up.

First, a video titled 'Where are they now?' (not by Scientology). Reiss appears at 3:07, as number 44. This is an image from the video for which I was searching.

And, below the video is a rather unpleasant thread, titled, somewhat ironically, 'Cancer and Suicide on Solo NOTs' by Michel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sN6n1XUp7w[/url]

Hello! This thread is to answer Tommy Davis’s glibness.

I met Tommy during my second EPF in the Sea Org (actually a 2 months Boot Camp type of EPF), he was eating beans and rice every day, washing our clothes, doing the worst MEST work you can imagine, doing pumps up for hours...because he fucked up a "VIP" cycle.

At that time he wasn’t so proud to be a Sea Org Member, I can tell you.

Now, let’s talk about cancer and suicide on Solo Nots. Here are some data for you guys.

There is a tag status for each Solo Nots auditor:

Green tag: audit 4 to 6 sessions daily and comes on time for his 6 months check.

Grey tag: audit less than 4 sessions daily and doesn't come on time for his 6 month check.

Orange tag: Not allowed to solo audit because of out ethics situation.

Purple tag: Not allowed to audit because of illness or sickness.

Black tag: Disaffected with the church.

See the way it works? One starts the level with a Green tag then, depending on his "ability to be Cause over Life" one keeps his Green tag or, follow the dwindling spiral to Black tag.

There are about 5,300 Solo Nots Auditors worldwide and about(depending on their current status):

1,000 Green tags
1,100 Grey tags
900 Orange tags
800 Purple tags
1,500 Black tags

The 10,000 on Solo Nots is just a dream. There is only 1,000 of them auditing regularly.

I was Solo Nots D of P Europe and i personally met the following Solo Nots Auditors. They were all with advanced cancer:

• Roberto B. – Italy
• Antonella B. – Italy
• Beppe G. – Italy
• Sonia B. – Italy
• Pierluigi G. – Italy
• Bernard C. – Switzerland
• Jo R. - Switzerland
• Tasa D. – France
• Helene M. – France

There is more, but I do not remember their names.

Before I blew the Sea Org in November 2006,two of them died of committed suicide; Jo R. and Beppe G.

I don’t know if the other ones are still alive.

The majority of the 800 Purple tags and 1,500 Black tags are with cancer, HIV, diabetes and non optimum physical conditions.

The majority of the 900 Orange tags committed financial irregularities to be able to “pay for services and/or donations” to the Cult.

Rex Fowler is a typical Orange tag product of the Cult.

You all know the PTS/SP tech “theory”, right?

How many of them had to disconnect from their family and friends because they where the ”SP”?

Why, after an entire bridge people are still sick, ill, criminal, commit suicide, etc..?

Maybe they didn’t find the real SP yet..... or, if they did, they invalidated the read.

At one point every body on Solo Nots had to do or re do the PTS/SP Course GAT.

And the SNR C/S FSO Richard Reiss (pushed by RTC, of course) was constantly harassing the Solo Nots C/S "because they didn't apply the PTS tech at 100%" during their C/Sing.

Well, a cancerous tumor is not detectable by a SN C/S as far as i know!

I can attest! Beppe G. had a cancerous tumor the size of an egg in his brain while at Flag to "Attest to OT7"! I went with him to the Clearwater Hospital. He was sent back to Italy right away by RTC....

Imagine the Flap if Beppe died in the middle of the Solo Nots HGC!

These data should be widely disseminated. It’ s not a joke. These guys are really in danger.

Michel.PS: the medical associations should be aware of this data. Scientology technology doesn't cure cancer....when a cancer isn't detected on time, it's too late. Unfortunately, from a Scientologist view point, a doctor is considered a charlatan.

 

[The Oracle]

In many cases cancelling certs destroyed the financial wherewithal of families. Many of the individuals who had their certs cancelled so abruptly had gone into great debt to achieve their level of training and accordingly lost not only their funds but the intended goal of having expended those funds. Nor was his involvement in the mass cancellation of certs RR's only breech of personal integrity.

RR, as senior tech terminal and a high level exec, was personally responsible for supporting the incredibly destructive programs & policies of the church under Miscavige. He chose of his own volition to continue doing so despite his own unavoidable knowledge of the consequences of these actions & the effect of his support for them. I'm sure he was a nice man, yet the fact remains by his own actions & choices he has harmed thousands.




Mark A. Baker

:ghost: :ghost: :ghost:

 

[Veda]

:ghost: :ghost: :ghost:

OK, Oracle, now we know that "punishing bodies" is your "item." Thanks for sharing.