Richard Reiss – Kha Khan Posted on March 21, 2011 by martyrathbun09| Leave a comment

Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
you mention that your comments are from "personal experience" and that the clearing bank accounts was sort dramatic license - am I correct in that?

So let me ask you where, roughly, your personal experience of my doing that occurred? was it in Stuttgart where I was threatened with a declare by Reynolds and Larson for refusing to rip off the mission for $10,000 a day which was the ordered billing for having a Finance Police mission in the Mission? Or was it when I told janet Light to get lost at Flag when she was pushing me and two others to keep some PC up from his bed to get money for the IAS? Or was it where I cancelled a $20,000 reg cycle being done by Michael Bang when I found it it involved the prospect getting his mother to co-sign a loan for something she had no idea about and that I thought the prospect actually would not be able to pay back. Or maybe your personal experience was there when I got declared for refusing to reg the Scandinavian field for the IAS and writing a report to Miscavige telling him exactly why?

here is one exciting FACT for you. I never, in my 13 thirteen years in the Sea Org accepted a check from anyone as a payment for anything to do with Scientology, I have never written a receipt or an invoice for payment for Scientology. I have certainly run registrars and do bear my full share of responsibility for that.


As for paying for what I did while i was in - let me tell you (peripherally of course) when I realized what had been happening in Scandinavia I refused to allow my tour to reg, I wrote up what I had found and what I thought needed to be done and I was comm eved and declared for it and ended up destitute on the streets of Copenhagen. So the next time you want to lecture me about this subject you start by explaining what the hell you did.
 
Wowsers!

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Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud
Getting back to RR.

I'm sure I am not the only person to notice the 'old time' trained-by-Ron that are not now out of the cult are dying off and new ones are not really being trained.

ort of begs the question of who is going to deliver the "tech".
 

AnonKat

Crusader
TO VOLTAIRE'S CHILD POST ABOVE

There are aspects of his life which mitigate his actions, as this thread has fleshed out.

Evil does exist. When DM dies, be sure to send flowers and a nice card.

I think a card with a picture of a Guy Fawkes Mask will be suitable to send

With folowing text "goodnight sweet prince"
 

Gadfly

Crusader

I just loved the movie, "This is Spinal Tap".

And, yes, some Marshall Amps DID go to "11". :thumbsup:

From the movie:

Nigel Tufnel: The numbers all go to eleven. Look, right across the board, eleven, eleven, eleven and...
Marty DiBergi: Oh, I see. And most amps go up to ten?
Nigel Tufnel: Exactly.
Marty DiBergi: Does that mean it's louder? Is it any louder?
Nigel Tufnel: Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?
Marty DiBergi: I don't know.
Nigel Tufnel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
Marty DiBergi: Put it up to eleven.
Nigel Tufnel: Eleven. Exactly. One louder.
Marty DiBergi: Why don't you just make ten louder and make ten be the top number and make that a little louder?
Nigel Tufnel: [pause] These go to eleven.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbVKWCpNFhY

FUNNY!!!!!!!! He is such a moron!!! (Nigel)



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AnonKat

Crusader
venting

:thumbsup: good rebuttal

you mention that your comments are from "personal experience" and that the clearing bank accounts was sort dramatic license - am I correct in that?

So let me ask you where, roughly, your personal experience of my doing that occurred? was it in Stuttgart where I was threatened with a declare by Reynolds and Larson for refusing to rip off the mission for $10,000 a day which was the ordered billing for having a Finance Police mission in the Mission? Or was it when I told janet Light to get lost at Flag when she was pushing me and two others to keep some PC up from his bed to get money for the IAS? Or was it where I cancelled a $20,000 reg cycle being done by Michael Bang when I found it it involved the prospect getting his mother to co-sign a loan for something she had no idea about and that I thought the prospect actually would not be able to pay back. Or maybe your personal experience was there when I got declared for refusing to reg the Scandinavian field for the IAS and writing a report to Miscavige telling him exactly why?

here is one exciting FACT for you. I never, in my 13 thirteen years in the Sea Org accepted a check from anyone as a payment for anything to do with Scientology, I have never written a receipt or an invoice for payment for Scientology. I have certainly run registrars and do bear my full share of responsibility for that.


As for paying for what I did while i was in - let me tell you (peripherally of course) when I realized what had been happening in Scandinavia I refused to allow my tour to reg, I wrote up what I had found and what I thought needed to be done and I was comm eved and declared for it and ended up destitute on the streets of Copenhagen. So the next time you want to lecture me about this subject you start by explaining what the hell you did.
 

AnonKat

Crusader
thanks

:thumbsup: It's amazing how many good people get "abberated" or change for the worse when being in a Cult

When we found out that our little girl was profoundly brain injured Richard himself, on our next six month refresher, urged us to perform our own extensive search of the S.I.R. (Source Information Retrieval) system at the Flag library. He kept in touch with us until we had exhausted every source reference on disabilities that could be found. He then wrote a program for me to audit for her and guided me in the extension of it, we stayed in touch and he was always interested in her progress. I’m grateful for his interest and help. I’ll always remember and admire him.
 

Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud


I do not personally know him.

I certainly know a lot of former staff that feel the same way.

And public.

To me it would seem a better question is who didn't get angry at what happened to them, their family, their friends, the fellow staff members, and the people they were allegedly supposed to be 'helping'.

Anger? Damn right !
 

The Oracle

Gold Meritorious Patron
The point is that it was the first action (on the part of Diana and some others) and under the circumstances - THAT'S inhuman.

You are clearly a thinking person aware of conditions. It is just bad form to show up at a wake and complain. Especially when a person is helpless to respond and they leave behind family, spouses, children and grandchildren. Then you wound innocent people with slurs. This vision is a wide one where perceptions of conditions and influence of forces is understood and will can be focused in an understanding way. It also invokes character traits such as mercy and compassion. Although I did not repost your entire comment, I read it and saw the value in those truths and your efforts to educate and illuminate. Your kind intention in bringing truths to the table is of value. Mercy is contagious too.

T.O.
 

AnonKat

Crusader
Richard was an ass to people the further ho got to the end of his life

that is the danger of doing it "for the greater good"

Just like Rex Fowler It is a sad story
 

The Oracle

Gold Meritorious Patron
you mention that your comments are from "personal experience" and that the clearing bank accounts was sort dramatic license - am I correct in that?

So let me ask you where, roughly, your personal experience of my doing that occurred? was it in Stuttgart where I was threatened with a declare by Reynolds and Larson for refusing to rip off the mission for $10,000 a day which was the ordered billing for having a Finance Police mission in the Mission? Or was it when I told janet Light to get lost at Flag when she was pushing me and two others to keep some PC up from his bed to get money for the IAS? Or was it where I cancelled a $20,000 reg cycle being done by Michael Bang when I found it it involved the prospect getting his mother to co-sign a loan for something she had no idea about and that I thought the prospect actually would not be able to pay back. Or maybe your personal experience was there when I got declared for refusing to reg the Scandinavian field for the IAS and writing a report to Miscavige telling him exactly why?

here is one exciting FACT for you. I never, in my 13 thirteen years in the Sea Org accepted a check from anyone as a payment for anything to do with Scientology, I have never written a receipt or an invoice for payment for Scientology. I have certainly run registrars and do bear my full share of responsibility for that.


As for paying for what I did while i was in - let me tell you (peripherally of course) when I realized what had been happening in Scandinavia I refused to allow my tour to reg, I wrote up what I had found and what I thought needed to be done and I was comm eved and declared for it and ended up destitute on the streets of Copenhagen. So the next time you want to lecture me about this subject you start by explaining what the hell you did.

Mick, the fact that you dedicated 13 years of your life with the intention of making a better world for all the children of this world is holy. I don't know why we who lived and cared that way feel obligated to apologize to other people who just didn't even care enough to make the effort. You, me, him, and everyone else who selflessly worked like slaves and animals for years have no need to apologize for any of it. Especially to people who never endured the struggle and sacrifice. I have never apologized for being in the Sea Org and I never will. Perhaps I am not even so angry at the Church because I did my best and put forth the effort to make it into something good. Nobody else here walked in your shoes. Only you. Even the people at the Circus hush when the trapeze artist makes his flips. People can complain about the Church and I am one of them that does complain. But that will never take away from your noble intentions and deeds to lift up the human race. That is something I will always be proud of you for. And that is something you should be proud of yourself for. Look at the effort it takes to illuminate a few people on a thread on a forum. What was our crime but having unattainable goals to lift up the entire human race? And this message is for all of us who walked that walk. T.O.
 

Terril park

Sponsor
Getting back to RR.

I'm sure I am not the only person to notice the 'old time' trained-by-Ron that are not now out of the cult are dying off and new ones are not really being trained.

ort of begs the question of who is going to deliver the "tech".

Rons orgs in Russia and Europe are doing well in training and best I know have overtaken COS there.

In the english speaking world some training occurs but is a weak point.

Metapsychology/ TIR created by Sarge Gerbode and Mayo has entered the mainstream, can be studied in college. Thats scn and dianetics re written in simpler language.

Marty is starting a new movement in a way, sort of an old movement in fact, but has encouraged people to leave COS and carry on outside COS.
Helen Chen's group with her Husband has bought a house just for training in LA, and another one of Marty's friends is starting an academy elsewhere.
Not sure if I can give details as its not been publically announced.

Glass half full or half empty? Still trying to figure that one out. However the glass is definitely not empty.
 

Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud
Rons orgs in Russia and Europe are doing well in training and best I know have overtaken COS there.

In the english speaking world some training occurs but is a weak point.

Metapsychology/ TIR created by Sarge Gerbode and Mayo has entered the mainstream, can be studied in college. Thats scn and dianetics re written in simpler language.

Marty is starting a new movement in a way, sort of an old movement in fact, but has encouraged people to leave COS and carry on outside COS.
Helen Chen's group with her Husband has bought a house just for training in LA, and another one of Marty's friends is starting an academy elsewhere.
Not sure if I can give details as its not been publically announced.

Glass half full or half empty? Still trying to figure that one out. However the glass is definitely not empty.


It would appear that what once the C o $ controlled with an iron fist is escaping its grasp and popping up here and there minus the heavy cult aspects.

Sooner the better !
 
No . . . . . . . .

As some have accurately pointed out, the "eulogy" was as much or more about Marty Rathboner as anything else. And much of the content of the eulogy easily displays certain aspects of Marty's continued Scientology-crazed insanity. Discussing those things IS appropriate. If you want to play "sincere mourner", then go over there to Marty-land and post THERE. This here is an entirely different venue. When it comes to all things related to Scientology, ESMB is FAR less forgiving (and this is appropriate when all things are considered).

And, RR WAS willingly participating and contributing to one of the WORSE versions of the Chirch of Scientolgy that has ever existed. :whistling:

You know I like you Fluffy, but this is total BS:

"Anytime anyone dies, we are the poorer for their passing."

Anyone? Really? How so? That comment is just so ridiculous to me. It might be far truer to say, "anytime anyone dies, someone is possibly the poorer".

What is dying anyways? Everything passes. Everything is change. All things must pass. Simple Vedic facts. The seasons display on a smaller scale the life of any person (or animal, or plant).

Righteous indignation is a really sloppy and slimy flow. I see much of that in THIS thread. Yucky!

Personally, as I see it, there is FAR TOO MUCH (contrived, manufactured) significance about "death". It is largely "exagerrated". Grossly so. The ONLY people I have ANY thoughts for when someone dies are those still living who might be adversely affected. I know, some will say I am "cold", or "insensitive". But, I practice what I preach. How?

My mom died a few years ago. My ONLY concern was how my dad took it. My mom wanted to be cremated. We didn't have any sort of ceremony. No extra, added unecessary MOCKED UP CRAP filled with all sorts of soggy & pretentious emotions. I spent a few hours one evening in comm with my Mom (in my mind, since she lived 1200 miles away from me), actually the night she died, and I validated her and encouraged her to move forward onto the next step of her journey. The death thing really shocked her, and I did a sort of bastardized version of The Tibetan Book of the Dead with her. I kept handling whatever came up, until she was cool about it and comfortable with where she now found herself. Interestingly, after I did the few hours of telepathy thing with her, I got the phone call that she had died. And, my brother and I occassionally discuss her, both the good and the bad. Honestly, without exagerration.

I agree with Mick. The reality of RR is/was a package of actual events, behaviors and actions. All else is BS. Either honestly describe those, or don't.

But shit, now I am "discussing discussing", and I HATE that! :angry:

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What happens when two siblings/relatives are "told different things" by the deceased loved one regarding how the funeral and disposal of the mortal coil is to be done, via "telepathy"?
And should instructions to alter the will in favor of the living telepathic interlocutor be relayed to the still-living family along with other telepathically gained information.
Not to get too much into the "telepathy" itself, just asking if it should overide what everyone else thinks (those who may want to communicate via voice).
 
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notimmortal

New Member
you mention that your comments are from "personal experience" and that the clearing bank accounts was sort dramatic license - am I correct in that?

So let me ask you where, roughly, your personal experience of my doing that occurred? was it in Stuttgart where I was threatened with a declare by Reynolds and Larson for refusing to rip off the mission for $10,000 a day which was the ordered billing for having a Finance Police mission in the Mission? Or was it when I told janet Light to get lost at Flag when she was pushing me and two others to keep some PC up from his bed to get money for the IAS? Or was it where I cancelled a $20,000 reg cycle being done by Michael Bang when I found it it involved the prospect getting his mother to co-sign a loan for something she had no idea about and that I thought the prospect actually would not be able to pay back. Or maybe your personal experience was there when I got declared for refusing to reg the Scandinavian field for the IAS and writing a report to Miscavige telling him exactly why?

here is one exciting FACT for you. I never, in my 13 thirteen years in the Sea Org accepted a check from anyone as a payment for anything to do with Scientology, I have never written a receipt or an invoice for payment for Scientology. I have certainly run registrars and do bear my full share of responsibility for that.


As for paying for what I did while i was in - let me tell you (peripherally of course) when I realized what had been happening in Scandinavia I refused to allow my tour to reg, I wrote up what I had found and what I thought needed to be done and I was comm eved and declared for it and ended up destitute on the streets of Copenhagen. So the next time you want to lecture me about this subject you start by explaining what the hell you did.

I apologized. I explained the purpose of my posting and made it clear I was accusing you of nothing. If you want to rage, that's your right, but you willfully ignore the entire point of what I wrote, which was clearly in DIRECT opposition to the concept of holding you - or many of us - to account.

Will this make you feel better? Mick, you were the saint of the Sea Organization. While the rest of us were promoting scientology no matter what with all our hearts, you and you alone had the foresight to tell right from wrong, black from white and do your job only and always the RIGHT WAY. You never harmed anyone, never yelled at anyone, and at all times managed the balance between your integrity and the environment's demands with perfection.

I am printing your photo, placing it on my wall, and will sit in front of it daily, meditating on your incredible, unwavering strength of character, as I pray that one so unworthy as I will one day reach the same level of awesomeness. It goes without saying that if I posted something that upset you, such posting was wrong, and I am a lowly being who must now reflect on my ways.

Whatever. You add nothing to this thread but rage and self-centered bullshit. Even your original posting was arrogant, dismissive and cold. Oh, wait... does that possibly undermine the credibility of what I just said in the paragraphs above? Hmmm... Well, maybe you weren't the world famous asshole then that you appear to be now.

As far as your shaming comments regarding anonymity, and your continuing requests for specific details of my identity, I will quote you roundly: "piss off." I'm not taking off my mask because you choose to forward the propaganda line claiming that one must be namefagged to be credible. Marty pushes this line nice and hard. I realize his reasons are likely more sinister than yours, but the argument against it either way is obvious. What a stupid stand to take.

Who am I? Long term Sea Org member, I've been RPFed, declared, undeclared, high up, low down. I've cleaned Rat's Alley in PAC and been screamed at by Sue Price at the FSO in front of my children. I've regged and audited and trained. I've done missions in Canada, EUS and Europe and goggled as a young lad at the topless girls sunning on the Denmark grass. I've crammed and been a CO. I've had a CSW denied to attend a family member's funeral, and disconnected from friends, a spouse, and a family member, only to reconnect with them again. I finally had enough and left in a crash and burn that strewed wreckage throughout my life.

All long ago, but I think I've paid my dues. I've rebuilt my life from those ashes, and I'll post as I like unless banned, and I'll have my say. I strive to give everyone a very, very clear fair-shake in what I write, and to apologize with sincerity if I'm wrong. I did so with you. That doesn't mean I'm going to sit back and eat the shit you serve because your panties have gotten into some unresolvable snit and you now want to throw a temper tantrum and act like a child.

I'm sorry for what you experienced in the sea org. Oh, wait, I already made it INCREDIBLY clear that I feel the same about all sea org members. But then, your feelings are the most important, aren't they? More important than any form of adult discourse. The rest of us couldn't possibly understand the depth of what you experienced in terms of pressure or betrayal. Your experience was uniquely oppressive. Forgive me. Let me look for some golden rod, so I can get the issue out on myself.

Nice scorched earth approach, Mick. WELL DONE! It's like being back in the sea org. You really handled the hell out of that one.

In fact, you know what? Just to keep this thread on topic, I'm going to rectify a HUGE mistake, and award you the title of ex-Scientologist Kha-Khan. Congratulations, Admiral!

Wanker.
 

Gadfly

Crusader
What happens when two siblings/relatives are "told different things" by the ceased loved one regarding how the funeral and disposal of the mortal coil is to be done, via "telepathy"?
And should instructions to alter the will in favor of the living telepathic interlocutor be relayed to the still-living family along with other telepathically gained information.
Not to get too much into the "telepathy" itself, just asking if it should overide what everyone else thinks (those who may want to communicate via voice).

Oh, it was unbelievable really! Two days after I got with Mom (via telepathy), my brother had a "waking dream" while driving down the Mass Pike, which at one point almost made him drive into another car, and my Mom did give him specific contrary information to the will regarding the disposal of her jewelry! :nervous:

Now, please understand, that this was very difficult for my brother, because he does not AT ALL believe in anything "less solid" than his 4000 SF house, Porsche convertible, and big salary at a big Boston company. So, when he started "tuning in to the clear message from Mom", well he was NOT happy about it. It did not at all fit into his "model" of "reality". It really shook him up and he very quickly began "suppressing" the event in his mind. :grouch:

Geez, the lawyer went ballistic! It took some talking, but we did eventually get it sorted out (afer we consulted with her one last time, at a seance, using a 200-year old Ouija Board). :omg:

Luckily, the order for cremation and the disposal of the ashes over the ocean was clearly delineated in the will, but also, praise the Lord, none of us received any last minute messages to bury her instead! :clap:

Lawdy, THAT would have caused a ruckus! :yes: :coolwink:

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Mick, the fact that you dedicated 13 years of your life with the intention of making a better world for all the children of this world is holy. I don't know why we who lived and cared that way feel obligated to apologize to other people who just didn't even care enough to make the effort. You, me, him, and everyone else who selflessly worked like slaves and animals for years have no need to apologize for any of it. Especially to people who never endured the struggle and sacrifice. I have never apologized for being in the Sea Org and I never will. Perhaps I am not even so angry at the Church because I did my best and put forth the effort to make it into something good. Nobody else here walked in your shoes. Only you. Even the people at the Circus hush when the trapeze artist makes his flips. People can complain about the Church and I am one of them that does complain. But that will never take away from your noble intentions and deeds to lift up the human race. That is something I will always be proud of you for. And that is something you should be proud of yourself for. Look at the effort it takes to illuminate a few people on a thread on a forum. What was our crime but having unattainable goals to lift up the entire human race? And this message is for all of us who walked that walk. T.O.

"...Look at the effort it takes to illuminate a few people on a thread on a forum..."

Life is tough at the top. :yes:
 
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