Ron The War Hero

Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
Mick, what I meant by worked is that I had wins and got something out of it (dia/scio), that my life improved because of it.

But I also agree with that just growing up and maturing had a lot to do with it, and I did get into Scientology quite young.


Hi Songbyrd

Than you for the gracious answer - I had a question and I do not want to come across as argumentative or disagreeing with your post...

you said "My life improved because of it" -could you be more specific? Not in any way to identify yourself of course, just what the improvement was and how you tie scientology to it.

What I am trying to do (just to be transparent) is find out whether it was just the act of doing something for yourself and to better yourself that caused you to do better or something specific that you did in Scientology. For a lot of people - myself included - the first action I ever took n the "improve myself" arena was Scientology. So from a state of total young man confusion with no idea where I was going I got into "improving myself" and I did get better.

After I got out of Scientology I was comparing notes with friends who had not gotten into Scientology but had done other things. Lo and behold - same deal.
 

MarkWI

Patron Meritorious
Ron the stereotypical Navy guy?

In Jeff Hawkins's excellent manuscript on his times in the SO and Pubs (in another thread), Chapter 9 has an incompletely explained little bombshell. It's around 1980, and Ronni is working on some fiction......

But most of our attention was on getting the campaign launched. Nancy had her team of researchers and surveyors who were out every day. We had added a Public Relations member to the team, a young lady named Beth, who was working out how to get out publicity releases on Dianetics when the time came. She also got roped into a “confidential” proofreading project, which turned out to be Hubbard’s Mission Earth manuscript. He had completed Battlefield Earth, which was being prepared for publication, and this was his next work, a massive ten-volume science fiction series. Beth helped on the proofreading several hours a day at ASI, and came back increasingly disturbed. She was shocked by the graphic, and repeated, descriptions of gay oral sex in the book, and was appalled that such writing was coming from the Founder of a religion. She didn’t last long, and in fact soon decided to leave staff.

[...]

That matches what Robert Vaughn Young wrote:

"About the only other amusing moment I can remember is the woman who was
retyping the manuscript (for the publisher's proofs) who had to quit at
around Book 4 or 5 because of the necrophilia. She found it very
upsetting. I don't know what happened to her but no one was allowed to
find anything Hubbard wrote to be disgusting, so there were some crude
remarks about her "confront" and wondering what "hidden overts" [hidden
crimes] she had committed on Hubbard to say such things.

She should have seen what was in his unpublished writings, especially the
ones with his drawings of penises and vulvas. " (full text here)​


and

"I read everything from love letters to (and from and about) his mistresses,
his girlfriends (such as Fern, who gave him the clap, forcing him to
secretly take sulfa), his private pornographic ramblings (he liked to draw
penises and vaginas around the margins in red ink, which gave the page a
grisly look), his black magic material, his letters to family, wives (in
the early 1950s, while having mistress Barbara on the side and at the same
time preaching about the dangers of illicit relationships), editors and
even to himself, as journals. " (full text here)​

M
 

MarkWI

Patron Meritorious
Excalibur versions

I think Gerry Armstrong said there were 2 1/2 versions, and Omar Garrison also witnessed the same.

There are also atleast 3 or 4 different stories, from Hubbard, re. 'Excalibur', a.k.a. 'The One Command'.
[...]

Robert Vaughn Young also wrote of 3 versions of Excalibur:
"Over the months, with nothing else to do, I had a
chance to read private letters, papers and manuscripts (including the
three, yes, three, versions of the infamous Excalibur, which has to be the
most overblown piece of hype he EVER produced and, no, it has NOTHING to
do with OT3), which also gave me the full uncensored view of this man." (full text here)

M
 

Veda

Sponsor
"We're not playing some minor game in Scientology. It isn't cute or something to do for lack of something better.

"The whole agonized future of this planet, every Man, Woman, and Child on it, and your own destiny for the next endless trillions of years depend on what you do here and now with and in Scientology.

"This is a deadly serious activity. And if we miss getting out of the trap now, we may never again have another chance."

The above is from 'Keeping Scientology Working'.

"The first (earliest) bit of the bank is not an item but a light. It appears to the left front of the face, some distance away (Look ahead and to the left a bit and you'll spot it.)

"It is the source of unconsciousness and produces it when contacted. There is a light before each run...

"When you spot a light or object or combination of objects, you should get a read on the needle.

"You repeat verbal items aloud...

"The objects - hollow and solid...

"The objects [depicted and described in your materials] appear about an arms length away...

"They move...

"Explosion...

"Never proceed past a non-reading item. To do so can be very deadly..."

The above instructions preface both the Clearing Course and OT 2.

And there's much more, ancient dates (trillions, etc.), durations (fractions of a second, etc.), specific descriptions of "Implant incidents," etc.

Per the instructions, if you have any uncertainty about any of this, it will disappear once you see the reads (needle movements) on your e-meter. "Your meter will tell you."

And then one goes on to OT 3, with the list of volcanoes, and Incident 1 and Incident 2, and Xenu; and then there are the even more ancient "Psychs" who somehow brought about the "dwindling spiral" that made beings small, sending them on the path to Hubbardian Hell, from which Scientology is now rescuing us.

Some related links:

http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=93002&postcount=16

http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=100417&postcount=47

http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=77478&postcount=14
 
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guanoloco

As-Wased
Yeah, we read this about the same time. That was right about the time that I took the red pill.

The other stuff really beneficial for bringing down the house of cards was the botwo squirrel stuff and Meade Emory setting up the trust that owns the trademarks.

But I think the final straw was the death certificate.

Thanks for sharing as I haven't been able to find the original link for this for some time - I wanted to reference it when contrasting Jimmy Stewart's actions against OT Ron's.
 

Infinite

Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
There's a few stories here similar to mine, but I'm going to tell it anyway. My grandfather was a war hero. He was with the 51st (Highland) Infantry Division which "held the line" in France allowing for the evacuation of Dunkirk at that "darkest hour". After re-grouping, the Division arrived in Africa in 1942 when it teamed up with the Aussies and the Kiwis to stand against Hitler's Panzers and suffer the slaughter at El Alamein. During that battle he was deafened by a nearby explosion and returned home - decorating every highway from Africa to Aberdeen along the way. He was never the same man again. He never spoke of his exploits except to remember friends lost, he never boasted except to praise comrades, and he never again slept a whole night through. The only real emotion he ever exhibited was when my grandmother used to find him sitting at the breakfast table at four in the morning weeping into his hands.

There's a special place in Hell reserved for those who would thieve glory from real heroes.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
There's a few stories here similar to mine, but I'm going to tell it anyway. My grandfather was a war hero. He was with the 51st (Highland) Infantry Division which "held the line" in France allowing for the evacuation of Dunkirk at that "darkest hour". After re-grouping, the Division arrived in Africa in 1942 when it teamed up with the Aussies and the Kiwis to stand against Hitler's Panzers and suffer the slaughter at El Alamein. During that battle he was deafened by a nearby explosion and returned home - decorating every highway from Africa to Aberdeen along the way. He was never the same man again. He never spoke of his exploits except to remember friends lost, he never boasted except to praise comrades, and he never again slept a whole night through. The only real emotion he ever exhibited was when my grandmother used to find him sitting at the breakfast table at four in the morning weeping into his hands.

There's a special place in Hell reserved for those who would thieve glory from real heroes.

Very good point.
 
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