Ron was a genius. OK, brilliant. Ok, above average intelligence.

[Maria Cuervo]

Donna Shannon wrote at Gib's link:

"So far, other than being followed, and sending my former 'friends' from $cientology to get info, or having them call me, nothing has happened. I have made friends with all my neighbors, and they know our story, and the situation. Our house is constantly watched by neighborhood people."

That is really all they can do apparently, follow us around and hire private investigators to keep track of us.

 

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

Emphasis mine.









As we know, one of the first things scientology teaches is "how to pretend you are happy" ... via that ridiculous tone scale.

The cofs seems to me to be the best place to go to if you need more stress, upset, debt and drama in your life, it's hard to believe there are people still there pretending their lives away.

Go to 31:25 in movie for "Glee of Insanity" scene.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWzPgpg2bjA

 

[Maria Cuervo]

edugui

I do view CoS as a fundamentalist group. Which you also alluded to. Gib's posting of Donna Shannon's experience is hair-raising really. And worse, it is all because of the tech itself, which inspires that form of fundamentalism....

But please do expand on your comments. I don't see any in depth response and am waiting to hear your response as to axioms and also tone scale.

 

[Edugui]

Re: Are they happy or not?

THANK YOU.

I have just read this and it is amazing. I hope edugui reads it. I reallly do.

It deserves a thread. It is too important, too sincere and obvious.

Cheers to Donna. WOW. I am grateful for her story.

I readed some of the post. There many histories out there of people abused by the Church. It happens all day. It is endemic

 

[SPsince83]

Then tone scale tells you you are in a fixed mood in life, and from that mood comes a variety of behaviors, so you can understand and predict human behavior. And you can feel all, or almost all the emotions on every tone level.

Do you have any idea that you are talking to former Class V, VI and VIII auditors and C/Ses? There is even at least one former Class XII C/S here. And you presume to instruct us on scn? We know scientology. We're not some bozo "wogs" who never read a book or whatever it is you think we are. We are not people who have "M/Us". [insult redacted]. Get help. For real.

 

[Hypatia]

I guess I can't see how someone can be brainwashed and high toned at the same time?
In that case they appear high tone but are really in propitiation? So it's not always possible from
appearance alone to tell what emotional state someone is in, and that is all I was wondering about.




LOL on the friend. Well the question then? Was he really uptone.

Reminds me of when the oracle tells Neo in the matrix:
"Ohh, what's really going to bake you're noodle
later on is, would you still have broken it if I hadn't said anything? "

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So about your friend, what really bakes my noodle is what uptone means given that what
appears to be uptone might not really BE uptone after all.

Same way someone could be on the right track and be "low toned".

 

[Hypatia]

Do you have any idea that you are talking to former Class V, VI and VIII auditors and C/Ses? There is even at least one former Class XII C/S here. And you presume to instruct us on scn? We know scientology. We're not some bozo "wogs" who never read a book or whatever it is you think we are. We are not people who have "M/Us". You are deluded. Get help. For real.

I thought such certs, classifications, and qualifications were irrelevant in the real world. Therefore, Edugui's on the same footing as anyone else here.

 

[SPsince83]

I thought such certs, classifications, and qualifications were irrelevant in the real world. Therefore, Edugui's on the same footing as anyone else here.

When discussing what is and is not in the scn liturgy, people who have training and experience in it know more than a neophyte. It doesn't mean scn is valid, it just means some people here are very well versed in it. This gui is sadly deluded about what he thinks he knows about it.

 

[Hypatia]

When discussing what is and is not in the scn liturgy, people who have training and experience in it know more than a neophyte. It doesn't mean scn is valid, it just means some people here are very well versed in it. This gui is sadly deluded about what he thinks he knows about it.

I find that such delusion is not confined to any one particular $cieno background. That large Ethier person, for example, is/was a Class XII.

 

[SPsince83]

I find that such delusion is not confined to any one particular $cieno background. That large Ethier person, for example, is/was a Class XII.

He doesn't know what he is talking about and is displaying it for people who do. That's my point. His delusion is another matter.

What he is doing is like a freshman instructing a PhD on 100 level concepts in whatever field and acting like he has superior knowledge. I don't need to be told what's in Science of Survival as though I had never read it. People here KNOW scn and KNOW what is wrong with it. Eddie here does not, yet he lectures on logical fallacies and the tone scale. It's condescending at best. Deliberately insulting at worst. Ridiculous is more like it, I think and more than a little sad. I repeat again; Edugui, [insult redacted]. Get help. For real.

 

[Moderator 3]

FFS! Isn't it possible to make the same point without personally insulting edugui?

 

[SPsince83]

FFS! Isn't it possible to make the same point without personally insulting edugui?

I'm sorry, where have I insulted him? He is deluded. A condition many of us have been in. It is not an insult, it is a statement of fact. I hope he gets help. He is mistaken in his affectation of superior understanding. Another statement of fact. His comments have been condescending and insulting. Another statement of fact. These are not insults, they are a plea for him to actually engage rather than parrot entry level scn.

LRH was not a genius and anyone who thinks he was is deluded. He was a con man. Pure and simple. He baffled a lot of us, me included. At which time I was deluded. See?

 

[Maria Cuervo]

FFS! Isn't it possible to make the same point without personally insulting edugui?

My feeling is that edugui is out, never in and mostly just an indie...

I am all for discussing points of disagreement instead of getting into insults.
I hope edugui will continue to post.

 

[Moderator 3]

I'm sorry, where have I insulted him? He is deluded. A condition many of us have been in. It is not an insult, it is a statement of fact. I hope he gets help. He is mistaken in his affectation of superior understanding. Another statement of fact. His comments have been condescending and insulting. Another statement of fact. These are not insults, they are a plea for him to actually engage rather than parrot entry level scn.

LRH was not a genius and anyone who thinks he was is deluded. He was a con man. Pure and simple. He baffled a lot of us, me included. At which time I was deluded. See?

You're being silly. Address the comments, not the person.

Re-read the Rules Of Conduct here.

1. Treat others with respect.
You are to respect every other user on the board despite any personal, religious and political differences. The following will not be tolerated:

Personal insults
Ad hominems
Threats or promotion of violence
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?2-Board-Rules

Pro-tip: If I were an OSAbot trolling here the one thing I'd be sure to do would be to annoy people until they lost control of their good senses and started personally insulting me. Then, I'd just leave it to the Moderators to apply the Rules of Conduct.

Wise up and use some common sense, willya!

 

[Maria Cuervo]

I'm sorry, where have I insulted him? He is deluded. A condition many of us have been in. It is not an insult, it is a statement of fact. I hope he gets help. He is mistaken in his affectation of superior understanding. Another statement of fact. His comments have been condescending and insulting. Another statement of fact. These are not insults, they are a plea for him to actually engage rather than parrot entry level scn.

LRH was not a genius and anyone who thinks he was is deluded. He was a con man. Pure and simple. He baffled a lot of us, me included. At which time I was deluded. See?

The problem is that edugui should not be the target, CoS is the target. Edugui is an indie and as such he is here like the rest of us learning and at different phases of being 'out' of Scn.

 

[lotus]

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The big boops chicks are up-tone ... not for me anymore

 

[MrNobody]

The big boops chicks are up-tone ... not for me anymore

What? Did yours become saggy over the decades? Damn! That'll teach you to never ever go into agreement with gravity.

But, just to bring you up the tone scale a bit: Stable, supportive, elegant, sexy, almost comfortable bras are available in many different sizes. Shouldn't that be enough, I know someone who hand-taylors high-quality corsets, which, allegedly, fit perfectly.

 

[DagwoodGum]

Does anyone recollect why Orgs were having public take IQ tests? I had to take one as a budding young Rondroid but I don't remember if it was before I was going to join staff or not, or if it had to do with my auditor training.

 

[Panda Termint]

It's "standard tech". All public, Staff and Crew are required to take these tests. How else would the CofS know if people are getting better (or worse)?

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

Does anyone recollect why Orgs were having public take IQ tests? I had to take one as a budding young Rondroid but I don't remember if it was before I was going to join staff or not, or if it had to do with my auditor training.

Yup, after doing it several times and not increasing yer knowingness, then you're doing it wrong, hell, what was LRon's claim for increased IQ as related to auditing time? 10? 1? point per hour? Gah. Just another thing to run over and over again in the big sting, abstract and meaningless until ya take the bait.
I am going by what I have read of the many stories peoples have had to tell and some well researched materials.
Did you ever do another later on? Just curious, as it would seem a good way to show how well 'it's' working used as a moral boost to back up the initial indoctrination process, dunno as never went there.. probably not making much sense anyhow