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sallydannce

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The door opens as we say good-bye…

It was lovely calm warm evening and we were sitting on my front porch. We were celebrating our “friendly divorce” – we each had a small glass of wine for the occasion. Hell it ain’t every day you get to file for divorce, indulge a little I say. Patrick was here a few weeks ago to file the papers in the court to dissolve our marriage. A calm “joint dissolution application”, neatly filled out and signed by both of us.

I like to think it was a very healing time, for both of us.

The day we went to the courthouse, I cried a lot - hiding in toilets and throwing cold water over my face to try to hide my puffy eyes and red nose. But he knew and he was very patient and kind to me.

Sitting on the porch, we talked about his life in Asia and how my life was going. I told him I had forgiven him - for the cheating part. And I have. It took time, it took a lot of deep digging, but I forgive him. I put my hand on his arm, looked him in the eyes and said “I forgive you. Please go live your life well and peacefully.”

Then he said something to me which, later, became a huge door.

He said that his life was better for having been married to me, for having spent all those years with me. I successfully fought back my tears. And then he said “maybe we might have made it if we hadn’t had so much bullshit from the church”.

And there it was, out in the open. The truth hung thickly in the air. The edges of a cold harsh reality twitched and a closed door deep within me began to open. The cold harsh reality of what the cult had really done. And let me put this in very plain English – it wasn’t the “management stuffing up”, it was pure Hubbard “tech”.

I sat quietly, sipping my wine. We were both silent. The air was heavy with sadness - pure authentic sadness. Neither of us had been able to make sense of what the hell had really gone wrong with our marriage, why it had all blown up in our faces when we were both genuinely committed.

Fragile and hesitant I said good-bye to him, and as I watched his car drive down the road I sensed I was ready to face the final challenge for all that had happened. As the days passed more and more memories came back and details I had submerged in a pile of pure denial, pure trauma - lost in the final strands of the pure mess in my head - came back.

And I finally faced the reality that the cults interference in my marriage has left me childless. The memories, they don’t just go. They sit deep inside and fabulously fester and then one day, they resurface. I began to bash them into a meaningful tapestry. I have never roared so loudly as the day I truly faced what the cruel bastard known as L Ron Hubbard had done.

The endless poison that had been pumped into Patrick, filling his head with fear and threats that I was going to ruin his chance at freedom. Knowledge reports I could remember. One bullshit thing after another, I slapped them all onto the tapestry I was stitching together. So many things made sense. Finally!

For the next week or so I watched the memories of my life in the cult unfold for my inspection. Details I had long forgotten drifted their way back into view and I struggled to keep up with the clarity of the picture they were painting. The anger was fierce! The Hubbard policies we had lived our life by, like some sort of frenzied fanatical guidance; the things Patrick had said to me as the marriage hit the craggy rocks; pieces and pieces of jagged truth drifted in and I pieced it together. The cult had taken my chance at motherhood by using threats of disconnection and eternal misery on my husband.

Some might say he was weak to swallow down all the toxic crap. To them I simply say Patrick is one of the finest men you could meet. Yes he cheated (badly), yes he did stuff which hurt like hell but there is a way bigger picture surrounding that behaviour. He is highly intelligent, kind, generous, patient and gives the world way more than he takes. He got conned just like so many others who get infected with Hubbard’s methods. To say “he was weak” is to exonerate the core of the toxicity, of the cruelty, of the traumatic life-destroying madness – Hubbard’s scientology.

The big picture tells us the truth.

And that truth has set me free.

Free to grieve. Free to love. Free to forgive. Free to feel it all. Free to connect to all of life. Free to reframe concepts any damn way I please! Free to suck the juice out of all of life!

And so this story ends. It ends with me knowing why I am childless. It ends with my dreams of motherhood never fulfilled, with an aching heart which I will find a way to heal as time passes. Someone on this board has kindly offered to loan me a book for childless women – I am so grateful for the love and support I have in my life. A dear friend has sent me a link to a wonderful support site for childless women. I am going to explore that. I have a highly skilled therapist I see every few weeks. I am working towards reframing life as a childless woman.

My life is full of love. My life is full of hope. It has been a magnificent journey. I did it! I made it all the way home! I got my mind back! I got myself back!

Free to really dance, at last!

I’ll still be around ESMB, being grateful for all of you, loving you, with all of my heart. I do not know a way to tell how much you all matter to me. I guess all I can do is quietly say I absolutely love you! You are such a stunning group of people. Boisterous, bold and brilliant with your many colours and views, it is truly an honour to be a part of this community.

With deep gratitude and love,
Glenda


- The end –​
 

Free Being Me

Crusader
Thank you for your story Sally, you have a gift for writing and a way of touching the heart. Thank you for being you! Love and respect for you and your journey. :rose:
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation



Now you can move on Glenda, you still have so much love within you, that's very special.


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The_Fixer

Class Clown
I want to say some things, but good things. My mind is in a very dark place tonight and I can't trust myself to get it out the way I want you to hear me. So what follows is somewhat limited...

I love every word of your story. You are a legend Sally and I never wanted this thread to conclude. I and I guess many others are hanging on your every word because we are spellbound with your writings. We will be in grief as you finish - because there is no more.

We have all held our breaths as you spoke. We were there with you in China.

We were with you when your ex told you of his indiscretions, etc. We all felt you.

We have been with you there with your mother and her troubles. Your troubles were ours too. Your tears and your joys were ours too. You put us there with you. Hell, we WERE you....

You have captivated us all and snatched our respect from us. You didn't really take it from us, because we wanted to give it to you anyway. You certainly deserved it.

I and I am certain many others have fallen in love with you. Not as a relationship prospect, but as Glenda the person who has become a shining light for many of us. I have never seen a lady so exposed emotionally and personally and given everything of herself to strangers here. You took all our breaths away. After all that - you expected NOTHING in return. I stand in awe of you. I can't do that myself normally. I find it hard to have your courage.

HH is leaving us. I posted something which, for me, is scathing by my standards (!) on that thread. And I'm hoping I don't get my ass kicked too hard, but I also don't care. There are others who are important as well (partly by your inspiration).

You see, it is you who showed us to just be without taking someone else down.

I don't really think that you realise how important you have been to all of us here. And thank you for just sharing yourself with us.
 
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What a great thread.

The threads created by people telling their stories on this board are so much better than anything Hubbard every wrote, and it's not even close.

They are genuinely honest and come from the heart, which is some thing Hubbard knew absolutely nothing about.

This is probably one of the main reasons it is so difficult for some people to break free of Scientology,

Breaking free from Hubbard's Mind fuck requires being honest with yourself, painfully honest in fact.

It can be extremely difficult for some, if not most, since Scientology programs you to believe being honest will put your eternity at risk.

In fact it is the main tenet of Scientology .... only think and do what benefits Scientology

This requires disconnecting from reality, constantly lying to yourself, and constantly lying to everyone you come in contact with.

Once you can break though the facade of fear created by Hubbard and can freely tell your story, you realize just how small of a man Hubbard real was and how evil the cult he created really is.
 

TG1

Angelic Poster
Sally - completely aside from the beauty of YOU, your story would make an amazing, amazing, amazing movie.

You are an amazing writer.

Love,

TG1
 

What's It All About

Patron with Honors
Re: The door opens as we say good-bye…

It was lovely calm warm evening and we were sitting on my front porch. We were celebrating our “friendly divorce” – we each had a small glass of wine for the occasion. Hell it ain’t every day you get to file for divorce, indulge a little I say. Patrick was here a few weeks ago to file the papers in the court to dissolve our marriage. A calm “joint dissolution application”, neatly filled out and signed by both of us.

I like to think it was a very healing time, for both of us.

The day we went to the courthouse, I cried a lot - hiding in toilets and throwing cold water over my face to try to hide my puffy eyes and red nose. But he knew and he was very patient and kind to me.

Sitting on the porch, we talked about his life in Asia and how my life was going. I told him I had forgiven him - for the cheating part. And I have. It took time, it took a lot of deep digging, but I forgive him. I put my hand on his arm, looked him in the eyes and said “I forgive you. Please go live your life well and peacefully.”

Then he said something to me which, later, became a huge door.

He said that his life was better for having been married to me, for having spent all those years with me. I successfully fought back my tears. And then he said “maybe we might have made it if we hadn’t had so much bullshit from the church”.

And there it was, out in the open. The truth hung thickly in the air. The edges of a cold harsh reality twitched and a closed door deep within me began to open. The cold harsh reality of what the cult had really done. And let me put this in very plain English – it wasn’t the “management stuffing up”, it was pure Hubbard “tech”.

I sat quietly, sipping my wine. We were both silent. The air was heavy with sadness - pure authentic sadness. Neither of us had been able to make sense of what the hell had really gone wrong with our marriage, why it had all blown up in our faces when we were both genuinely committed.

Fragile and hesitant I said good-bye to him, and as I watched his car drive down the road I sensed I was ready to face the final challenge for all that had happened. As the days passed more and more memories came back and details I had submerged in a pile of pure denial, pure trauma - lost in the final strands of the pure mess in my head - came back.

And I finally faced the reality that the cults interference in my marriage has left me childless. The memories, they don’t just go. They sit deep inside and fabulously fester and then one day, they resurface. I began to bash them into a meaningful tapestry. I have never roared so loudly as the day I truly faced what the cruel bastard known as L Ron Hubbard had done.

The endless poison that had been pumped into Patrick, filling his head with fear and threats that I was going to ruin his chance at freedom. Knowledge reports I could remember. One bullshit thing after another, I slapped them all onto the tapestry I was stitching together. So many things made sense. Finally!

For the next week or so I watched the memories of my life in the cult unfold for my inspection. Details I had long forgotten drifted their way back into view and I struggled to keep up with the clarity of the picture they were painting. The anger was fierce! The Hubbard policies we had lived our life by, like some sort of frenzied fanatical guidance; the things Patrick had said to me as the marriage hit the craggy rocks; pieces and pieces of jagged truth drifted in and I pieced it together. The cult had taken my chance at motherhood by using threats of disconnection and eternal misery on my husband.

Some might say he was weak to swallow down all the toxic crap. To them I simply say Patrick is one of the finest men you could meet. Yes he cheated (badly), yes he did stuff which hurt like hell but there is a way bigger picture surrounding that behaviour. He is highly intelligent, kind, generous, patient and gives the world way more than he takes. He got conned just like so many others who get infected with Hubbard’s methods. To say “he was weak” is to exonerate the core of the toxicity, of the cruelty, of the traumatic life-destroying madness – Hubbard’s scientology.

The big picture tells us the truth.

And that truth has set me free.

Free to grieve. Free to love. Free to forgive. Free to feel it all. Free to connect to all of life. Free to reframe concepts any damn way I please! Free to suck the juice out of all of life!

And so this story ends. It ends with me knowing why I am childless. It ends with my dreams of motherhood never fulfilled, with an aching heart which I will find a way to heal as time passes. Someone on this board has kindly offered to loan me a book for childless women – I am so grateful for the love and support I have in my life. A dear friend has sent me a link to a wonderful support site for childless women. I am going to explore that. I have a highly skilled therapist I see every few weeks. I am working towards reframing life as a childless woman.

My life is full of love. My life is full of hope. It has been a magnificent journey. I did it! I made it all the way home! I got my mind back! I got myself back!

Free to really dance, at last!

I’ll still be around ESMB, being grateful for all of you, loving you, with all of my heart. I do not know a way to tell how much you all matter to me. I guess all I can do is quietly say I absolutely love you! You are such a stunning group of people. Boisterous, bold and brilliant with your many colours and views, it is truly an honour to be a part of this community.

With deep gratitude and love,
Glenda
- The end –


I can only say that our "eternal validity" neither begins nor ends with any specific relationship, set of beliefs, nor even with a given lifetime.

I'm deeply grateful for your honesty. Your revelations and courage are the most lovely example to any thinking, feeling person. They're like a solid foundation of honesty that others can build upon, if we so choose. The words "thank you" seem much too small to express my (and, dare I say, our) appreciation of your spirit.

You were strong before your life within scientology, and mind-traps or no, you have always been much greater than its influence in your life. As is everyone who wanders into its mental and emotional quicksand and is stuck and suffocated there for a time. Elsewhere (and since anything we think we know about ourselves is usually the tip of the tip of the larger iceberg of our existences) the much-greater aspects of ourselves buoy us up through our learning, whether it's painful and slow or quick and easy.

There's still plenty of wisdom and insight that will enter the world through your unique perspective. I, and I'm sure many others, will be delighted by anything beyond this particular "end" that you choose to share.

And again, thank you.

With love,

What's It
 

Arthur Dent

Silver Meritorious Patron
- The end –​
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Sallydance dearest,
This sounds like a beginning to me! Your story has gotten me so much closer to my own, enabled me to reach depths of memory and truth not really possible on my own. I have reasons to not post more of my own story and it is very limiting for me. Reading yours has directly and undeniably helped me to release much of the denial and truth I had buried. Writing is tremendous therapy, I find, and I could not help but benefit, vicariously, from yours. Who could? Reading of your pain, tenacity, regained freedom and coming to know your amazing talent of expression has been a very poignant and liberating experience. I am grateful to you. You are probably the voice of many more than you realize. I am sure you will continue to become more and more free and I look forward to what your new adventures and stories may be...those unencumbered by the past. Don't stop writing, whatever you do! :heartflower:
 

Helena Handbasket

Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: With love for my unborn children

My mother was/is controlling and abusive. And yes, there were plenty of beatings ... I left home on a bus at age 14, a very messed up kid striking out on my own.

Several times I considered running away from home. But the main thing that stopped me was always the fear that "the police would find me and bring me back". I could just imagine my father politely thanking the officers, then as soon as they left, giving me the beating of my life. Never mind looking at what he did wrong to make me want to run away; he always considered that I was the problem, and how dare I embarrass him like that?

Back then, there was no such thing as child protective services; and if your father (or mother) beat you, the standard retort was "you must have done something to deserve it".

There was also the fact that I was able to continue my education. Having left university, I got a (well paying) job as quick as I could and "ran away at the age of 22" at my first opportunity.

But all of this pales in comparison to what I think my parents did to me at the age of 2. (I have no direct recollection of this, but plenty of "circumstantial evidence".) It's just too horrible to discuss. Let me just say that it gave me crippling problems for the rest of my life until his very day.

Sally, I'm sorry if I'm hijacking your thread.

Helena
 

Lurker5

Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: The door opens as we say good-bye…

It was lovely calm warm evening and we were sitting on my front porch. We were celebrating our “friendly divorce” – we each had a small glass of wine for the occasion. Hell it ain’t every day you get to file for divorce, indulge a little I say. Patrick was here a few weeks ago to file the papers in the court to dissolve our marriage. A calm “joint dissolution application”, neatly filled out and signed by both of us.

I like to think it was a very healing time, for both of us.

The day we went to the courthouse, I cried a lot - hiding in toilets and throwing cold water over my face to try to hide my puffy eyes and red nose. But he knew and he was very patient and kind to me.

Sitting on the porch, we talked about his life in Asia and how my life was going. I told him I had forgiven him - for the cheating part. And I have. It took time, it took a lot of deep digging, but I forgive him. I put my hand on his arm, looked him in the eyes and said “I forgive you. Please go live your life well and peacefully.”

Then he said something to me which, later, became a huge door.

He said that his life was better for having been married to me, for having spent all those years with me. I successfully fought back my tears. And then he said “maybe we might have made it if we hadn’t had so much bullshit from the church”.

And there it was, out in the open. The truth hung thickly in the air. The edges of a cold harsh reality twitched and a closed door deep within me began to open. The cold harsh reality of what the cult had really done. And let me put this in very plain English – it wasn’t the “management stuffing up”, it was pure Hubbard “tech”.

I sat quietly, sipping my wine. We were both silent. The air was heavy with sadness - pure authentic sadness. Neither of us had been able to make sense of what the hell had really gone wrong with our marriage, why it had all blown up in our faces when we were both genuinely committed.

Fragile and hesitant I said good-bye to him, and as I watched his car drive down the road I sensed I was ready to face the final challenge for all that had happened. As the days passed more and more memories came back and details I had submerged in a pile of pure denial, pure trauma - lost in the final strands of the pure mess in my head - came back.

And I finally faced the reality that the cults interference in my marriage has left me childless. The memories, they don’t just go. They sit deep inside and fabulously fester and then one day, they resurface. I began to bash them into a meaningful tapestry. I have never roared so loudly as the day I truly faced what the cruel bastard known as L Ron Hubbard had done.

The endless poison that had been pumped into Patrick, filling his head with fear and threats that I was going to ruin his chance at freedom. Knowledge reports I could remember. One bullshit thing after another, I slapped them all onto the tapestry I was stitching together. So many things made sense. Finally!

For the next week or so I watched the memories of my life in the cult unfold for my inspection. Details I had long forgotten drifted their way back into view and I struggled to keep up with the clarity of the picture they were painting. The anger was fierce! The Hubbard policies we had lived our life by, like some sort of frenzied fanatical guidance; the things Patrick had said to me as the marriage hit the craggy rocks; pieces and pieces of jagged truth drifted in and I pieced it together. The cult had taken my chance at motherhood by using threats of disconnection and eternal misery on my husband.

Some might say he was weak to swallow down all the toxic crap. To them I simply say Patrick is one of the finest men you could meet. Yes he cheated (badly), yes he did stuff which hurt like hell but there is a way bigger picture surrounding that behaviour. He is highly intelligent, kind, generous, patient and gives the world way more than he takes. He got conned just like so many others who get infected with Hubbard’s methods. To say “he was weak” is to exonerate the core of the toxicity, of the cruelty, of the traumatic life-destroying madness – Hubbard’s scientology.

The big picture tells us the truth.

And that truth has set me free.

Free to grieve. Free to love. Free to forgive. Free to feel it all. Free to connect to all of life. Free to reframe concepts any damn way I please! Free to suck the juice out of all of life!

And so this story ends. It ends with me knowing why I am childless. It ends with my dreams of motherhood never fulfilled, with an aching heart which I will find a way to heal as time passes. Someone on this board has kindly offered to loan me a book for childless women – I am so grateful for the love and support I have in my life. A dear friend has sent me a link to a wonderful support site for childless women. I am going to explore that. I have a highly skilled therapist I see every few weeks. I am working towards reframing life as a childless woman.

My life is full of love. My life is full of hope. It has been a magnificent journey. I did it! I made it all the way home! I got my mind back! I got myself back!

Free to really dance, at last!

I’ll still be around ESMB, being grateful for all of you, loving you, with all of my heart. I do not know a way to tell how much you all matter to me. I guess all I can do is quietly say I absolutely love you! You are such a stunning group of people. Boisterous, bold and brilliant with your many colours and views, it is truly an honour to be a part of this community.

With deep gratitude and love,
Glenda


- The end –​

:bigcry: :hug: :console:

That mo'fo lrh . . . the mo'fo'g cult.

THIS is WHY :scnsucks:
:anon: :guyfawkes:
 

This is NOT OK !!!!

Gold Meritorious Patron
Thank you for sharing your journey.

While my wife and I did have children during our 30 plus years in, a toll was taken nonetheless.

We're still scratching our heads wondering WTF? How did that happen?

We thought we were saving the planet and I have to admit I thought I was going OT too. It's all crashed down and burned to cinders now.

If any Phoenix is going to rise in my life, it's going to have to dig its way out of a deep pit of ashes!

I have a dream that one day I'll be able to write of my experiences as you have yours.
 

sallydannce

Gold Meritorious Patron
And now I don't know what to say, but happy you reached a goal.

:)

Merely taking a short rest, regrouping, breathing, re-framing, merging, integrating a few things and getting ready for the next wild journey...the authentic life! The life where no one gets to play games with my mind, my heart or my inner essence. I am ready! Fiercely ready!

No destinations reached - perhaps merely a plateau of awareness or some such lofty thing. :wink2: Just got to the deepest lies - dug out the shit- and now standing in the light and loving every moment of the authentic emotions and sense of "know thyself, love thyself". Truly stunning feeling! Tingling and all that jazz! Woo hoo! :happydance:

Abundant gratitude for you! :yes: :flowers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQqQb40-dTE
 

sallydannce

Gold Meritorious Patron
I want to say some things, but good things. My mind is in a very dark place tonight and I can't trust myself to get it out the way I want you to hear me. So what follows is somewhat limited...

I love every word of your story. You are a legend Sally and I never wanted this thread to conclude. I and I guess many others are hanging on your every word because we are spellbound with your writings. We will be in grief as you finish - because there is no more.

We have all held our breaths as you spoke. We were there with you in China.

We were with you when your ex told you of his indiscretions, etc. We all felt you.

We have been with you there with your mother and her troubles. Your troubles were ours too. Your tears and your joys were ours too. You put us there with you. Hell, we WERE you....

You have captivated us all and snatched our respect from us. You didn't really take it from us, because we wanted to give it to you anyway. You certainly deserved it.

I and I am certain many others have fallen in love with you. Not as a relationship prospect, but as Glenda the person who has become a shining light for many of us. I have never seen a lady so exposed emotionally and personally and given everything of herself to strangers here. You took all our breaths away. After all that - you expected NOTHING in return. I stand in awe of you. I can't do that myself normally. I find it hard to have your courage.

HH is leaving us. I posted something which, for me, is scathing by my standards (!) on that thread. And I'm hoping I don't get my ass kicked too hard, but I also don't care. There are others who are important as well (partly by your inspiration).

You see, it is you who showed us to just be without taking someone else down.

I don't really think that you realise how important you have been to all of us here. And thank you for just sharing yourself with us.

Hey The_Fixer,

Sorry I have not replied to your post sooner. Needed a day or so to let the dust settle. :)

I read your post late at night, in a state of damn-near exhaustion. It had been a long day, with a lot of digging in to put together the words which finally appeared on this thread. Thank you for your kindness, love and support. It has honestly made a huge difference as I have slogged my way through writing (& living) this story.

I cannot begin to tell ya how much I have learned about myself, about life, about love, about my outer edges, my capacity, my strength - the inner corners of the inside of my navel. I feel like I have a PhD in "navel gazing". :wink2: It has been the most stunning wild wonderful time of my life!

Words keep failing me so all I can do is put my hand on my heart and really feel what I have done! And then I go play some really good loud music and feel the power of the shifting energy and it don't get much better than that! :)

Fuck mind control! Let’s dance!

Turn.
It.
Up! :happydance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ19NWzA8TA
 
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