Sara Northrup . . . touching the third rail

ILove2Lurk

Lisbeth Salander
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DM has finally touched the third rail of Ron's second (bigamous) marriage to Sara Northrup.

Tony O writes here:

http://tonyortega.org/2015/11/07/de...ances-scientology-goes-down-a-dangerous-path/

The Freedom YouTube video he mentions (Sara begins at 6:14):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFwuwSD0Yds

Letters from Hubbard in his own hand that confirm:

  • he and Sara were in fact married
  • he fathered Alexis
  • Sara helped him in the early stages of Dianetics
  • Sara audited him
  • they were pitifully broke at the time
Gib has written up instructions on how to get a copy of these PDF
documents (Part II is what you want) safely and securely for your own.

LRH Correspondence:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...sicientology&p=1058047&viewfull=1#post1058047

General Correspondence 1948-1951, Section 1, Part 2
CORR306-02

Part 2, 310 pages, continuing similar correspondence. Highlights include: Extended correspondence with L. Ron Hubbard, including Hubbard talking about some of the concepts that would come to form the backbone of Dianetics in a letter to Heinlein in March, 1949, pp226-232. Later letters discuss the writing/publication history of "Dianetics" and the formation of "The Hubbard Dianetic Research Foundation" and "Hubbard College" in Wichita, KS. Family correspondence of the Heinlein clan.

Sorry Ron, you really broke my heart and shattered my
worldview of you and the tech many years ago with this one.

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JustSheila

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This is a really meaty blog by Tony O! :thumbsup: :clap: :clap: :clap:

That Freedumb mag would even touch on Sara Northrup just demonstrates the extreme lack of factual information available to Scientologists and the dedicated efforts to deny such facts. Sara's history with Elron is well documented.

Nice bonus with the Bill Franks' interviews, too. :thumbsup: Thank you, Bill Franks and Jeffrey Augustine, for sharing this information and making it publicly available.
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
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DM has finally touched the third rail of Ron's second (bigamous) marriage to Sara Northrup.

The Freedom YouTube video he mentions (Sara begins at 6:14):

LRH's 1968 interview. At 12:53, LRH goes into marriage

[video=youtube;SVxWazTXkKk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVxWazTXkKk[/video]

LRH is asked "How many times have you been married?", and he replies that he's been married twice.

And then he's asked "What happened to your second wife?", and he replies "I never had a second wife"

Oops! What was Mary Sue, then?

It's one reason why he allowed so few interviews by outside reporters. He has trouble keeping his lies straight. Ron was trying to deny he had ever been married to Sarah, but failed.
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!


Where is [STRIKE]Shelly[/STRIKE] Sara

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Type4_PTS

Diamond Invictus SP
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DM has finally touched the third rail of Ron's second (bigamous) marriage to Sara Northrup.

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Back in 2011 DM came in 2'nd place in Tony O's epic series (Top 25 People Crippling Scientology) and I suspect he's been desperately working ever since to overcome the front runner.
(I won't share who that is here in case some newbies haven't yet read this piece) :coolwink:

After this most recent move you posted about this race could get closer and maybe get him within striking distance. :biggrin:

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/th...ling-scientology-no-2-david-miscavige-6695769
 

Lone Star

Crusader
Gibney didn't find Dan Sherman credible? Hmmmmm....I wonder why?

:hysterical:


Calling Sara Northrup a gold digger. Yes, that is bold. And stupid. They'll regret this.

Keep it up DM! You're doing grrrrrrreat!!


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lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
:yes:

$cientology and POB are to be very soon, the no1 on the Tony SPs billboard
 

Veda

Sponsor
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DM has finally touched the third rail of Ron's second (bigamous) marriage to Sara Northrup.

Tony O writes here:

http://tonyortega.org/2015/11/07/de...ances-scientology-goes-down-a-dangerous-path/

The Freedom YouTube video he mentions (Sara begins at 6:14):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFwuwSD0Yds

Letters from Hubbard in his own hand that confirm:

  • he and Sara were in fact married
  • he fathered Alexis
  • Sara helped him in the early stages of Dianetics
  • Sara audited him
  • they were pitifully broke at the time
Gib has written up instructions on how to get a copy of these PDF
documents (Part II is what you want) safely and securely for your own.

LRH Correspondence:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...sicientology&p=1058047&viewfull=1#post1058047

General Correspondence 1948-1951, Section 1, Part 2
CORR306-02

Part 2, 310 pages, continuing similar correspondence. Highlights include: Extended correspondence with L. Ron Hubbard, including Hubbard talking about some of the concepts that would come to form the backbone of Dianetics in a letter to Heinlein in March, 1949, pp226-232. Later letters discuss the writing/publication history of "Dianetics" and the formation of "The Hubbard Dianetic Research Foundation" and "Hubbard College" in Wichita, KS. Family correspondence of the Heinlein clan.

Sorry Ron, you really broke my heart and shattered my
worldview of you and the tech many years ago with this one.

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A gold digger? But I thought Sara was a Russian spy?

As described by Hubbard in his confidential issue, "Intelligence Actions, Covert Intelligence Data Collection' of 2 December 1969. From page 2, tenth paragraph down.



The enemy objective is to discredit... Their first blast was the San Francisco papers, Sept. 1950, quoting the publisher (of Book One) Ceppos being critical of me (he was a communist) followed by the LA papers, pushed then by Sara Komkovadamanov (alias Northrup) "divorce" actions, followed by attempted kidnapping of myself. Other details were pushed into it including murder of four and so on. This was a full complete covert operation. At the back of it was Miles Hollister (psychology student), Sara Komkovadamanov (housekeeper at the place nuclear physicists stayed near Cal Tech), Gene Benton and his wife - president of the Young Communists League...

This was a full war against Dianetics
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Note: all the above parentheses are from the original.



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arcxcauseblows

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ok, that's fine, we can play that game...

by their logic, discrediting someone by proving they lied makes everything else they said invalid?

well hubbard lies here at 3:17 denying he had a 2nd wife so i guess they can't use him as a "source" for anything either

https://youtu.be/L_w-YWwC1lI?t=13m17s

also if alexis is alive, lets get some video or a book with her side of the story before she dies! where is she?

and one more point... their videos are all so biased it's a joke, and all of their sources are people inside scientology who are also completely biased in the extreme, pkb
 
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lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
LRH was a great renowned Artist

thus he was prone to be chased by SPs - including spouses and futur kids growing within his testicules

:confused2:
 

oneonewasaracecar

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This is a really meaty blog by Tony O! :thumbsup: :clap: :clap: :clap:

That Freedumb mag would even touch on Sara Northrup just demonstrates the extreme lack of factual information available to Scientologists and the dedicated efforts to deny such facts. Sara's history with Elron is well documented.

Nice bonus with the Bill Franks' interviews, too. :thumbsup: Thank you, Bill Franks and Jeffrey Augustine, for sharing this information and making it publicly available.

A really interesting point, Sheila. This is why lies never work.

You have to be able to remember them and remembering them causes cognitive dissonance.
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
A really interesting point, Sheila. This is why lies never work.

You have to be able to remember them and remembering them causes cognitive dissonance.

That's how police and military interrogation techniques work. If you lie to conceal what you really did, or where you really were, you have to speak the same lie when the question is asked again in an hour or a day. The interrogator just keeps asking for more details on your story, and making notes, and coming back to the incident later to see if the details stay the same.
 

oneonewasaracecar

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That's how police and military interrogation techniques work. If you lie to conceal what you really did, or where you really were, you have to speak the same lie when the question is asked again in an hour or a day. The interrogator just keeps asking for more details on your story, and making notes, and coming back to the incident later to see if the details stay the same.

Sheila raises another interesting question.

Scientology uses the same compartmentalization of information that intelligence organizations use. One hand doesn't know what the other is doing. This is to prevent a captured spy divulging enough of the big picture to do damage.

With Scientology, this means that people within OSA don't have any idea about the big picture.

Where it falls down is that so much information has leaked, that anyone who is not a Scientologist has a very good idea of the big picture.
 

Jump

Operating teatime
A really interesting point, Sheila. This is why lies never work.

You have to be able to remember them and remembering them causes cognitive dissonance.


Right. And to cope with that, there is only so much aged single malt scotch on this planet.
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
Scientology uses the same compartmentalization of information that intelligence organizations use. One hand doesn't know what the other is doing. This is to prevent a captured spy divulging enough of the big picture to do damage.

Scientology is not so much worried about an OSA agent being captured, as they are worried that an OSA agent will see enough of the Big Picture that he decides "This is insane and evil" and turns against them.
 

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Scientology is not so much worried about an OSA agent being captured, as they are worried that an OSA agent will see enough of the Big Picture that he decides "This is insane and evil" and turns against them.


Exactly!

Scientology's biggest fears are the inner-circle "loyal officers" defecting and turning against them, exposing all the black ops. Such as:

a. CHURCH LAWYERS: (this has never happened to date)

b. CHURCH PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS: This happened with the 2 PIs who stalked Pat Broeker for 25 years at the cost of over $12,000,000. They wrote a book. Miscavige threw millions at them to go silent and they took the money. More recently another such "pr flap" happened with two other PIs (father and son) assigned to stalk Miscavige's father. They got arrested with public records being released with the "let him die" instruction COB gave when his father appeared to be having a heart attack.

c. EX-WIFE (SHELLY): Shelly is on a death routing form, they are keeping her imprisoned (physically and psychologically) until she dies. She is far too dangerous to "let out" and equally dangerous to murder because of the investigations that would ensue, bringing COB into interrogations, depositions, et al.

d. TAX ACCOUNTANTS & PLANNERS: No tax accountants have come forward. However, Denise Brennan left her elite SO position which was responsible for a major corporate restructure for the COS and all of the shell corporations, front corporations and densely layered legal fictions that brought about tax exemption, legal deniability, et al. Wrote a book on it too. No gov't agency acted upon this info.

e. ELITE INT EXECS: This has happened over a dozen times with major power players in the COS hierarchy who then became whistleblowers extraordinaire. The list boasts such Scn luminaries as: Marty Rathbun, Mike Rinder, Karen de La Carriere, Jeff Hawkins, Amy Scobee, Debbie Cook, Mark Headley, Nancy Meany, Jenna Miscavige Hill, et al). The information they revealed has been devastating to the COS and triggered the interest and power of media, investigative journalists and writers worldwide--resulting in a continuous ("eternity") tsunami of Black PR for the church, which it has absolutely no idea how to solve (other than clown stunts such as the HeadCam Posse and saying really vicious things about their former Ideal OTs). Imagine a self-help organization who spends tens of millions of dollars promoting how unethical and evil their graduates are! LOL

f. CELEBRITIES: Jason Beghe, Paul Haggis, Katie Holmes and now Leah Remini have cleared the path for other celebrity defections. All three, in their own way, "shattered" the pr facade that the cult has kept afloat for previous decades. The media jumped in with both feet when they saw that the COS would huff and puff but would no longer even sue. More quietly, other Scn celebs have also left (e.g. Lisa Marie Presley and closet Scientologists such as Will Smith and Jennifer Lopez).

g. MONEY MANAGERS: None to date. They would, if one came forward, be able to draw out the elaborate money laundering and other tax schemes and inurement scams.​


If I had to pick two (2) of the above which (if it happened) would yet (in the future) provide the greatest nuclear explosion in ScientologyWorld, it would be "c" (Shelly) and "f" (Cruise or Travolta, the only remaining "A" players in Hollywood).

Imagine the feeding frenzy that would happen if Tom Cruise or John Travolta "turned" against their crime boss!

Hey, it's not impossible--Sammy "The Bull" Gravano turned against mafia boss (and mass murderer) John Gotti, who then went to prison for life--while Sammy went into the Witness protection program. So, why not a Scientologist like Tom "The Bullshitter" Cruise? He could write KRs vs COB and then, similarly, go into the Witless protection program.



(...and, no, it's not a spelling error, lol)
 
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ILove2Lurk

Lisbeth Salander
Scientology's biggest fears are the inner-circle "loyal officers" defecting and turning against them, exposing all the black ops.

<snip>

LRH's tax attorney Jim Jackson

http://www.tampabay.com/news/scient...ntants-novel-strategy-get-insiders-to/2245311

Disbarred attorney and "notorious GO spy" Merrell Vannier wrote a book

http://tonyortega.org/2015/03/02/ne...by-notorious-scientology-spy-merrell-vannier/

25 signed affidavits written by Sea Org senior executives in 2009 to rebut the Tampa Bay Times Truth Rundown material and interviews are still in the hands of the Tampa Bay Times. They could be resurrected for questioning in a future court trial. They're still out there somewhere.

Questions for nervous Sea Org executives in the witness stand would be:

  1. "Were you lying then or are you lying now?"
  2. "Do you want to risk perjury and jail time?"
  3. "What do you want to say today, now that you're under oath?"
  4. "Do you want to check again and see if you can remember more clearly today?"
  5. "You want to take another look there?"
  6. "What did you know and when did you know it?" (a Watergate classic)

:shrug: :wink2:
 
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