Scientologists CANNOT answer these questions.
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And as a further comment, it's not that scientologists CANNOT answer these Qs, it's more that they WILL NOT answer them ( nor even consider them as questions, in many cases).
RolandRB
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The official response would be something like "Have you read Dianetics, the Modern Science of Mental Health?".
CornPie
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Q1: Why does L ron hubbard Blvd in Hollywood, CA completely shut down at the sight on just one scientology protester?
Q2: Why does everybody walk past Anon Sparrow when he brings up legitimate issues to people walking in-and-out of the scientology org Washington, DC? (as shown on his many youtube videos.)
Q3: What kind of a BS story are we going to hear, when an attempt is made to fill up all those empty scientology/CIA-CIA-CIA buildings worldwide -- worldwide -- worldwide?
Q4: How is anybody ever going to take scientology or the indy-freezone serious as long as you believe in OT3 Xenu and the invisible Body Thetans (BT's)? Ha-ha-ha, ha-ha-ha.
Q2: Why does everybody walk past Anon Sparrow when he brings up legitimate issues to people walking in-and-out of the scientology org Washington, DC? (as shown on his many youtube videos.)
Q3: What kind of a BS story are we going to hear, when an attempt is made to fill up all those empty scientology/CIA-CIA-CIA buildings worldwide -- worldwide -- worldwide?
Q4: How is anybody ever going to take scientology or the indy-freezone serious as long as you believe in OT3 Xenu and the invisible Body Thetans (BT's)? Ha-ha-ha, ha-ha-ha.
Ted
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You may be 'decertified' Bea, but, *anything* but discredited
The 'certs' belong to them. Your integrity is yours.
Zinj
My sentiments exactly.
Years ago, I reasoned that the church giveth the certs, so the church can taketh away.
The training and experience, however, is mine. I take that away from the church.
The future is mine.
I don't need no stinkin' certs.
People still come to me for auditing and help.
HelluvaHoax!
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Interesting take on it, I agree! So, therefore....
CANNOT ANSWER
is really
WILL NOT ANSWER
which is actually
NEED NOT ANSWER
Need not answer, because a Scientologist believes that they must "parallel the mind" of the person they are handling.
The "question" as you astutely observe, is not even considered a question as much as it is a "manifestation" of what needs to be handled.
In Scientology Think there ARE NO LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS, because all the ANSWERS are already found. There is only reference to the source answers. Every question is reinterpreted and reformulated as a reach for the appropriate LRH reference.
Therefore when a person erroneously thinks they are asking a question, they are really (according to Scn) showing what they need to be handled on. The job of the SCN is to handle them with the appropriate tech (word clearing, false data stripping, ethics conditions, rollback of black pr, pts handling, disconnection from evil beings, etc.....).
The Scn is proud they can increase production by eliminating the needless DevT called a "question" and get right down to the business of salvaging degraded beings who ask them.
ThisFenceHurts
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This is one of the simplest and most accurate explanations I have seen for the behavior of most Scientologists. Also liked the KSW post.
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Now, we're gettin' there. 
Lee_from_phx
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The simple answer to all of these questions is that the cult is a scam designed to part fools from their money and enslave them if possible.
Scientology is the antithesis of everything it publicly proclaims to be.
Scientology is the antithesis of everything it publicly proclaims to be.
Human Again
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TA Jacker
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You seem to have answered your own question quite beautifully.
If $cientology was supposed to be removing additives from a being and increasing their ability to confront someone wasn't paying attention in their processing and training!
Of course a $cio can never answer these types of questions, that would require an original thought in response to unconfronted question after sifting through oodles of Tech Vol handlings parroted away for a rainy day!
Bea Kiddo
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I guess I dont mind people using the words. I admit I have done it too - I guess its the ones who talk about their case as if they have one. To each his own, though, I guess.
I guess I am glad I dont deal with it daily.
Anyways, for example, I just found another friend (one of my RPF twins mentioned in my story), and we got back in touch. She is declared but not really doing anything about it that I can tell. She said she wont have time to do A to E this lifetime (I guess its the "this lifetime" thing - maybe I dont beleive in it? Not sure...) - but it was used in the Scientologese sense...
Good twin
Floater
I agree Bea. I speak the language mostly in reference to rejecting the philosophy and technology. I know this stuff runs deep and as exes I think we have multiple layers of indoctrination that can sometimes only be seen by other exes.
degraded being
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Voltaire's Child
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When we were in and some reg would be haranguing us to spend money, put it on a credit card, get in debt to a/p something, my husband used to say "Would you guarantee that?" to the reg's promises that we wouldn't suffer financial devastation, that we'd make the money back from becoming that much more capable from doing the course or getting the auditing.
Guess what. They never were willing to guarantee it.
Guess what. They never were willing to guarantee it.
TA Jacker
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Indeed it is!
Regarding Scientologees, well... I was a word clearer for 6 years and a sup and cramm off after that. We know that words ARE concepts, and that the mind is built of concepts and connections. In other words, we think with or through words. I found that using Scio speak kept me tied to certain realities that are predominantly Hubbardarian and made it harder to separate myself mentally from the subject or the old life, perspective, reality, whatever you want to call it. Each Scientology concept is represented by a word. When that word has been used enough times it becomes your own. I think it's the language that gets you. I remember how weird it all was at first, "your PTS" or "stop ser facing", etc.
I would only use the talk now in jest. Although it is pretty hard not to let the odd word slip out.
sallydannce
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Indeed it is!
Regarding Scientologees, well... I was a word clearer for 6 years and a sup and cramm off after that. We know that words ARE concepts, and that the mind is built of concepts and connections. In other words, we think with or through words. I found that using Scio speak kept me tied to certain realities that are predominantly Hubbardarian and made it harder to separate myself mentally from the subject or the old life, perspective, reality, whatever you want to call it. Each Scientology concept is represented by a word. When that word has been used enough times it becomes your own. I think it's the language that gets you. I remember how weird it all was at first, "your PTS" or "stop ser facing", etc.
I would only use the talk now in jest. Although it is pretty hard not to let the odd word slip out.
Fascinating TA Jacker. I have explored this concept hard. The mental conditioning is via the language, imo. Initially with self. It is reinforced by group members yakking away with scio lingo.
I had a wild experience with this. By accident. I went to live in a foreign culture. I could not speak much due to not knowing the local languages. All I heard around me was "noise" i.e. non distinguishable speech sounds/language. Consequently I had to focus very carefully at conveying any vital communication - really work on basic concepts like "how much money do I owe you" to shopkeepers, etc. I was so utterly "in the moment" to get the basics of each day achieved.
It was like being a two-year-old in an adults body. I could not understand so many things. Wild stuff. Invigorating and at times, exhausting. My mind became very "lean" and I became very in tune with my environment. Had to, to get by, survive.
The added lingo of scientology was, by default, forced out of my mind as it was totally superfluous to basic requirement. Even the concepts of scientology, which I had for years and years framed life with, were abandoned, accidentally. I would see a man fall off his bike and just think "a man just fell off his bike" whereas for years I would have thought "that man has a PTS scene going on" or "he needs an assist", etc. I could cite thousands of examples of how this actually worked. Simplicity of thought returned to me. Think of this like being stripped back to your bare survival skills without the need for any fancy "isms". "Isms" were a luxury. It was a matter of just getting through the day the best damn way you could. No mental filtering required - just me and life. Hard up against one another.
Without that scientology lingo influencing my thoughts and without the reinforcement of hearing the lingo from other scientologists around me, huge changes occurred. At the time this happened, I loved scientology, wanted to be a scientologist, etc. So it was a huge shock to find myself, after several months of living without any scientology lingo, concepts, that I began to think differently, view things in a very new way and start to question what I had been involved in.
The language factor is KEY to making a scientologist and then UN-making a scientologist. In my own very well lived experience.
TA Jacker
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That was an awesome account of the very crux of the matter. Thank you so much for sharing that experience! Sounds like a great thing to try, I think I'll have to give it a go some day.
I'm pretty sure wRONg was right onto this in creating $cientology.
Funny, this reminds me of something that happened to me while still on staff. I'd been suping a guy who was a long time Scio and had always fallen asleep while on study... how many of those are there, lol... and had him start to clay demo all of the basic Scio terms. I started looking myself at how this would work. I realized as an upshot of this that "Thetan" was a term not a thing, an abstraction not an object. I then had the idea, as I had been listening to a lot of basic lectures at the time also, to see if I could not know all of the Scio terms and concepts and relearn them in a new unit of time and have them still make sense... Well that didn't go so well, and the rest is history!
I'm pretty sure wRONg was right onto this in creating $cientology.
Funny, this reminds me of something that happened to me while still on staff. I'd been suping a guy who was a long time Scio and had always fallen asleep while on study... how many of those are there, lol... and had him start to clay demo all of the basic Scio terms. I started looking myself at how this would work. I realized as an upshot of this that "Thetan" was a term not a thing, an abstraction not an object. I then had the idea, as I had been listening to a lot of basic lectures at the time also, to see if I could not know all of the Scio terms and concepts and relearn them in a new unit of time and have them still make sense... Well that didn't go so well, and the rest is history!
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That's interesting, in light of your last post, which I totally agree with.
I have seen long winded, hyperbolic discussions on "spiritual" things on this board. I am not saying that people don't make interesting points or nothing is gained, but sometimes there is a big fat NOTHING underneath these discussion's That's because the terms used are nothing but created significance. Created significance which has no referent or referents in reality.
Not that that will hold 'em back.
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