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Good twin

Floater
:D Me too, all very business like. Something like," I noticed that our "R" was lowering but by the time I began working on it the "A" and the "C" were too far gone..."

I'm laughing just thinking of how a 2D hat turn-over would read:coolwink:

TP

There is a certain staff member in Miami who has been divorced a few times who gave her "Divorce Hat write-up" to her current husband's former wife. She's quite proud of that in fact. :yes:
 

Telepathetic

Gold Meritorious Patron
There is a certain staff member in Miami who has been divorced a few times who gave her "Divorce Hat write-up" to her current husband's former wife. She's quite proud of that in fact. :yes:

:omg: Are you kidding!?:D What a fucking strange world we lived in.

TP
 

knn

Patron Meritorious
SO's had it even worse! THEY couldn't even DATE, in the real sense...holding hands, meeting privately to talk, kissing, etc.. I don't think? :unsure:
"Heavy petting" (as it's called in the FO) is not allowed. Holding hands and kisses are allowed.
 

knn

Patron Meritorious
I found an Admin Scale online and thought I'd put it here. I remember people putting together their Admin Scale's to find a mate, it was pretty funny!

Here's the Admin Scale:

Goals
Purposes
Policy
Plans

  • The Admin scale is a two-edged sword.
  • On one hand it shows that policy (= HCOPLs) is NOT the last word (= gives you space for common sense and to ignore policy if it would harm the higher goals).
  • On the other hand it means that policy doesn't protect you if it's against command intention (= against RTC = against David Miscavige). Because his goals are always higher than any policy.
  • Not only that you can get in trouble for using policy (HCOPL 7 Apr 1969 "Using Policy to stop" can collapse an org) but now with the Admin Scale Policy can become completely arbitrary.
 

Markus

Silver Meritorious Patron
Love on staff in Scientology is absolutely not sexy...

...and if it is hot and full of love in the beginning Hubbards rules are killing every spark of passion and love.
Just a few days ago I found love letters from the early 1980's some of them from a wonderful girl which I met at Flag. She was on staff in another Org in Germany - I was staff in mission Ulm and we fell in love on the roof of the Fort Harrison Hotel in Clearwater while being there for some Training and Auditing. Reading these letters again was a very big proof to me that I made the very right decision when I blew this crazy cult.
Despite we were really deep and hot in love and were breaking every rule while we spent some weeks together in Flag there are many passages in these letters where the heartless and stupid rational handling of love hit me in my face. We both were so stupid then.

Looking back at all what happened I must say that this rational handling of love destroyed two relationships of mine while I was on staff. One of this relationships (the one which started in Flag) could have been one for lifetime. And it is very sad that this beautiful girl still is deeply involved in this "church". So deeply involved that she probably is a spy on this board.
So .... if you are reading this - remember the wonderfull days in Flag and the days on the Lake of Constance and especially your time before Scientology - you were a girl so full of passion and love but Hubbards Tech changed you and me into heartless zombies and we were never able to live our relationship really free! Looking back - for me this was the main reason why our so very deep but short love never had a chance. You were a very free and emotional girl before your imagination and freedom was suppressed by this cult. You loved fairytales - and you wanted me to narrate you one every evening. Do you remember? You were a wonderful woman like a mystic princess from a fairytale before Scientology - and deep inside you still are - free yourself - look at it - you don't fit in into this heartless cult.
I hope so very deeply that you soon will wake up like the Sleeping Beauty and leave this suppressive "Church"!

Love

Markus


:dieslaughing: Oh god this is so Clamish.

How dare you think sexy when practical is...well more practical.

I had a guy trying to dump his girlfriend on me. He told me they were breaking up and that she was interested in me. He wanted to turn over his hat. He didn't actually say he was "turning over his hat" but...the rest of the story is true:omg: WTF!!!!!!!!

TP
 
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cantsay

Patron Meritorious
When I joined staff with my high-school boyfriend, we were 18. We got pressured to get married, the main reason was "so if you go to Flag for training you can have a room of your own instead of a dorm".
I called off the wedding twice. I even remember on the day, sitting on the loo, with my head in my hands wondering what the heck I was doing this for.

I was told many times that my lack of interest in sex must have been due to my "low tone level". But if you actually WERE interested in sex, you were "low toned" as well. Go figure. I think it was more the fact that my husband absolutely sucked in bed and had never heard of foreplay. He was the most sexually perverted person Ive ever met, and I was the one "low toned"? Lord. Ive heard he has remarried, and I really feel sorry for the poor girl he harasses now.

When I left staff I left him too. When I came back for a handling sometime later, I was doing MESTwork in the org, and noticed that the only person saying hi to me was an OT public. Nothing strange about that, he was always a nice guy. A week or so later he said he had found out that I had a boyfriend and apologised for sending me "2D flows". He was so OT I hadnt noticed...... he was also about 20 years older than me. His ex-wife was OSA, that alone would have put me off!!!

It was considered that you just had to postulate a 2D flow to get into a relationship. So much for asking someone out for coffee!!!
 

ILived1984!

Patron with Honors
I came on lines in the 70s. This was before TWTH and the only policy was Second Dynamic Rules. As public Scientologists we were flat out promiscuous. Basically everyone was having sex with everyone. :happydance:

When I joined staff it changed slightly. The rule was you couldn't have sex with public if you were staff unless you were already having a 2D before the person got on lines. So.........


If you met some one cute while you were body routing or bookselling you had to make sure that you had sex with them before they started their first service. It was important to do this with anyone you might be interested in "just in case". If you failed to consumate before they started course, then you would have to recruit them before you could have sex with them. Really very simple once you get the hang of it. :yes:

Once when I was still a very new staff member a guy who was on staff and his girlfriend was too asked me if I wanted to have a 2D with him. I was confused. I asked if he still had his girlfriend or if they broke up. He said they hadn't broken up yet but he needed to know my answer before he completed his doubt formula. I didn't think that was very sexy at all. :no:

I wish I could swap my time in staff to the 70s!!! :omg:

I was in the SO during the 2000s and we were in hormonal lock down!:angry:
 

Human Again

Silver Meritorious Patron
Looking for the laugh in it

It's really hard for me to find a laugh on this aspect of Scn and the SO as I reckon it has caused absolute havock (how the F do I spell that?) and loss over my entire 2D. But, I recongise the healing power of laugh and so I shall try.

When I joined I was 16 and really just looking to get laid. I had been trying to relieve myself of my virginity since I was about 13 but lived in a very protected environment and it just wasn't going to happen. Steve Rule was cute, he was probably abit old for me but the "flows" were there so I was too! hah! Once I was on the EPF he was back out on mission and I think I saw him twice after that. :unsure: Do I rememebr and FO about NOT using 2D flows to recruit people to the SO? Or was an affirmative - use them?

2D = other fish to fry = off purpose = perverted = 1D oriented (wahhh?)

Still looking for something funny...

nope, you know sex is only funny when you're getting some and in the SO...

Oh, I found one! I got Comm Eved for out 2D - The closest I got was cuddling on a couch with my fiance but no skin contact --- damn! This contributed to our breakup - before we managed to get married and consumate of course!
Ha haha

Nope, Scientology killed my parents marriage - it was a sham for 40 years until they finally broke up two years ago. It did this by upholding and promoting the veiw that my mother was a downstat psych case unworthy of respect. (Yes, we all know how compassionate scientology is). Scn killed both my engagements and the support from my "friends" and collegues after I was left at the alter twice could not even fill the space on the head of a pin. I was considered pathetic for feeling greif and it created layers of pain and self doubt that I still have not fully expunged to this day. For God's sake, I was gorgeous and vivacious and loving and yet I "knew" there had to be something wrong with me for no one to want a 2d with me.

Lastly there is Sceintology and the SO's perverted attitude toward children - basically that they are Dev-t to anyone who is really trying to do the right thing. It was so deep seated that it was not until I was 40+ that I even tried to start a family. Too late. No children for me, ever . And yes I am bitter and twisted and BLAME Hubbard, Scn and the SO for this. Perhaps it will shift one day but for now I am very aware of the influence that the SO had over my mind and lmy life on this topic. The attitude began at home from my Dad once he was very active and got ramped up every step up the org chart. I am not saying there were no other factors but belief is very powerful and this one was buried deep and early.

My relationship with my parents today is colored by this evil religion. My father thinks I am and SP and my mother is PTS to me. They have both told me it would have been better if I had been killed in a car accident instead of my brother. They have both told me it is good I cannot pass on my DNA, that I should never have children. Funny thing is, if you know me, you know this is such BS. Mum is supicious of everything I do and has Dad in her ear telling her I am only using her.

I tried to find somehing to laugh at, but no, I had no fun on the 2d in Scientology. :no:

What a sad sack I am! Just so you know I do have a very strong and happy marriage now with my darling husband that is milles above any other joy in my life. I know LOVE. Maybe that was what was "wrong with me" in the SO. I expected a 2D to be filled with love as well as a good romp in the hay.

:yes:
 
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cantsay

Patron Meritorious
My relationship with my parents today is colored by this evil religion. My father thinks I am and SP and my mother is PTS to me. They have both told me it would have been better if I had been killed in a car accident instead of my brother. They have both told me it is good I cannot pass on my DNA, that I should never have children. Funny thing is, if you know me, you know this is such BS. Mum is supicious of everything I do and has Dad in her ear telling her I am only using her.

I tried to find somehing to laugh at, but no, I had no fun on the 2d in Scientology. :no:


:touched: :touched: :sorry: :sadsigh: :sadsigh:

That is absolutely, goddamn, freaking AWFUL!!! :bigcry: Im so sorry you went through all that and still suffer from their ignorance and bigotry.

No wonder this thread isnt funny to you, I got teary just reading your post. Im glad you have a lovely husband now, you deserve happiness.
 

Wisened One

Crusader
It's really hard for me to find a laugh on this aspect of Scn and the SO as I reckon it has caused absolute havock (how the F do I spell that?) and loss over my entire 2D. But, I recongise the healing power of laugh and so I shall try.

When I joined I was 16 and really just looking to get laid. I had been trying to relieve myself of my virginity since I was about 13 but lived in a very protected environment and it just wasn't going to happen. Steve Rule was cute, he was probably abit old for me but the "flows" were there so I was too! hah! Once I was on the EPF he was back out on mission and I think I saw him twice after that. :unsure: Do I rememebr and FO about NOT using 2D flows to recruit people to the SO? Or was an affirmative - use them?

2D = other fish to fry = off purpose = perverted = 1D oriented (wahhh?)

Still looking for something funny...

nope, you know sex is only funny when you're getting some and in the SO...

Oh, I found one! I got Comm Eved for out 2D - The closest I got was cuddling on a couch with my fiance but no skin contact --- damn! This contributed to our breakup - before we managed to get married and consumate of course!
Ha haha

Nope, Scientology killed my parents marriage - it was a sham for 40 years until they finally broke up two years ago. It did this by upholding and promoting the veiw that my mother was a downstat psych case unworthy of respect. (Yes, we all know how compassionate scientology is). Scn killed both my engagements and the support from my "friends" and collegues after I was left at the alter twice could not even fill the space on the head of a pin. I was considered pathetic for feeling greif and it created layers of pain and self doubt that I still have not fully expunged to this day. For God's sake, I was gorgeous and vivacious and loving and yet I "knew" there had to be something wrong with me for no one to want a 2d with me.

Lastly there is Sceintology and the SO's perverted attitude toward children - basically that they are Dev-t to anyone who is really trying to do the right thing. It was so deep seated that it was not until I was 40+ that I even tried to start a family. Too late. No children for me, ever . And yes I am bitter and twisted and BLAME Hubbard, Scn and the SO for this. Perhaps it will shift one day but for now I am very aware of the influence that the SO had over my mind and lmy life on this topic. The attitude began at home from my Dad once he was very active and got ramped up every step up the org chart. I am not saying there were no other factors but belief is very powerful and this one was buried deep and early.

My relationship with my parents today is colored by this evil religion. My father thinks I am and SP and my mother is PTS to me. They have both told me it would have been better if I had been killed in a car accident instead of my brother. They have both told me it is good I cannot pass on my DNA, that I should never have children. Funny thing is, if you know me, you know this is such BS. Mum is supicious of everything I do and has Dad in her ear telling her I am only using her.

I tried to find somehing to laugh at, but no, I had no fun on the 2d in Scientology. :no:

:omg: :console: No, I KNOW the 2d was NOT fun for MANY of us in scn! :no: And I soooo feel for you that you had such a rough and awful experience....:sad: :console:

What a sad sack I am! Just so you know I do have a very strong and happy marriage now with my darling husband that is milles above any other joy in my life. I know LOVE. Maybe that was what was "wrong with me" in the SO. I expected a 2D to be filled with love as well as a good romp in the hay.

:yes:

No I completely understand and intended this Thread to be serious, yet also knew the humorous turns it would venture into. But I'm so glad you found a good man and love! :yes: :cloud9:
 

HCObringOrder?

Silver Meritorious Patron
It's really hard for me to find a laugh on this aspect of Scn ......................

.... Just so you know I do have a very strong and happy marriage now with my darling husband that is milles above any other joy in my life. I know LOVE. Maybe that was what was "wrong with me" in the SO. I expected a 2D to be filled with love as well as a good romp in the hay.

:yes:

And so the story of your great Avatar is revealed.

I will have to cheer up to tell my sad tale on this, but HA you have the gist of it.

Thanks LRH :angry:
 

Carmel

Crusader
It's really hard for me to find a laugh on this aspect of Scn and the SO as I reckon it has caused absolute havock (how the F do I spell that?) and loss over my entire 2D. But, I recongise the healing power of laugh and so I shall try.
<snip>
Your experience with it all was horrid! Don't push the laughing bit - sometimes you've gotta cry first! Besides that, it's a pretty tough ask to laugh about something when it is still present, like it is in your case it is.

Sorry that the scene with your folks, and that you have the scenario you do in regard to kids. Given the whole deal, there'd be no argument that you're doing great, despite it all! :hug:
 
60s and early 70s

I fall in with Good Twin on this. The 60s and 70s dripped with sex.

I liked the women of ASHO in their mini skirts and no underwear. 5 years later, I enjoyed the camel toes on the women wearing pants.

When I was on OT 2 and 3, my girl friend, who I was living with (in LA) had just gotten out of a relationship with Margaret George, the EO at the AO. Margaret was a bull dyke. About 50 years old. Rich. Drove a vette. She always had honeys hanging around her.

I didn't bother to tell my girl friend (in Northern Cal) about her.

There was a huge gay contingent from the Vigin Islands and San Francisco. AOLA Clear #1 and my wife did a reg tour. When they got back to LA, he showed her his apartment. There was a painting over the mantle of him in drag.

There were girls working in Las Vegas as hookers to pay for their "Bridge."


There was a good deal of "Truth or Dare" played.

At the Palo Alto center, on week ends, there was hot tubbing with thirty or more naked bodies crowding into a hot tub at the Gerbode's house.

Lots of skinny dipping wherever we were.

When I was 20 (and OT), I twinned with a divorced woman, OT, who was 46. This was before Cougars. I had her in bed within a week. We lived together (in her house and my house) for the better part of 4 years. There was a period of a couple of weeks one summer where we barely got out of bed for anything other than food or bathroom. We ended up going separate ways on the question of children. We're still good friends 35 years later.

My wife, a Class Vlll, who was married to a Class Vlll (at the time) took me to my first porn movies (Deep Throat, The Devil in Miss Jones, Flesh Gordon, etc). While she was still living under the same roof with her husband, we got together. She moved out, and in with me. Several years later, we got married. We're still married. The whole damn family comes to our house every holiday and has from the start (of our relationship).

I found, a long time ago, that sex with OTs rocked. Better communication (both with words and freedom from suppressed sexuality), and hellacious flows of energy, lust, and love

A couple of years ago, when I found out how crazy the Co$ had gotten, I was amazed to hear how restrictive the sex thing had become. What a total change from when were a part of it.
 

Carmel

Crusader
I joined staff in 1980, straight up without doing any org services first. My brother who introduced me to scn, told me that promiscuity was a "no go" in the org. He said that people in the org don't really sleep around, and that I should only have sex with someone, if I was intent on having a relationship with them.

Within a couple of days, I discovered that wasn't true. Within a couple of weeks, I discovered that what he told me was complete and utter BS - As with ANY new female staff member on the block at that time, I was in demand and could pick 'n choose.

There was a stack of us singles on Day staff and there were more on Fdn. We'd have parties and go to the beach pub dancing, then often end up skinny dipping. We were free to do what we wanted, and we did. Within a couple of years (after playing the field big time), we had mostly partnered off, and then with new orders that came down, we were being required to get married if we were living with our partners.

We often had to write up o/ws specifically on the 2D if something went wrong or if things were bad in the org, but mostly it was accepted by the 'parental figures' who ran our org, that we were young and that we'd do what we'd do. Sometimes you'd see an eyeroll from them at finding out this or that, but they acknowledged that we were young, that things would settle down, and they didn't consider it their right to interfere with letting nature take its course.
 

Rmack

Van Allen Belt Sunbather
The more I read of peoples experiences in the cult, the more I believe that it was very different after Laffy cacked than before.

My first wife was a CMO. Don't know if she ever directly served the old fart, but she was in that org when I met her at Big Blue. This was early eighties.

We were on the pilot purif program right when it came out, before public were sold it.

She wanted to go running with me. Turns out she was not anywhere close to being able to keep up with me, so for a day or two I ran up and down stairs in the park near by-the one with the Frank Loyd Wright house?-while she mostly watched.

One rest period, she up and attacked me! I didn't fight back. We just necked, didn't even feel each other up much until we married.

Then, after we were married in a very questionable civil procedure in Tijuana, I discover to my horror she was a complete freak! I'd been with several women, and none of them screamed like a banshee and bucked like a bronco! You pretty much just plugged in and held on for dear life!

Well, it was better than self abuse, so I hung in there for awhile. But, good grief! She was an OT 3, for crying out loud (pun intended) I think that shit started the first crack in my believe in the cult's teachings.

I always wanted to know if any other OT women were weird in the sex department. Couldn't get any to participate in my scientific research, though, and they call themselves scientific!
 

cantsay

Patron Meritorious
I discover to my horror she was a complete freak! I'd been with several women, and none of them screamed like a banshee and bucked like a bronco! You pretty much just plugged in and held on for dear life!

she was a freak because of that???? You wouldnt like Australian girls by the sounds... :p
 
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