Scientologists Mating Rituals.

[Wisened One]

Michaelangelo: Well, I got in trouble due to having sex with a new public, once. Then I was told I couldn't be with him any more unless he was 'on the Bridge. :confused2:
I had to break up with him. He didn't understand why he had to be a scn for us to stay together...

 

[Wisened One]

I think you'd have enthusiastic participation in THOSE hip-hips! And FSMs wouldn't mind the stat-push nearly as much! :wink2:

God, the FSM's would be scrambling for highest evers, huh?

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

Just for the record...

I came on lines in the 70s. This was before TWTH and the only policy was Second Dynamic Rules. As public Scientologists we were flat out promiscuous. Basically everyone was having sex with everyone.

...snip...

For what it's worth - I was in the Air Force mid '60's to early 70's...and pretty much the same applied.

EP

 

[RogerB]

Where were you when I need you? . . . .

Eurkeka!! I've found it -- the "right why"; the reason that stats are down now. Policies and practices of the '70's need to be reinstated!! Somebody tell DM; it's not GAT or the Basics. . . . it's sex!!

TL

TL,

Where were you when I needed you for some err, umm "comic" relief!

Interestingly enough, Hubbard revised (joke) his judgment about the 2D and 3D based on the behavior of Melbourne HASI . . . yes Melbourne . . . in the early 1960's.

You folks who've heard all the tapes might remember his comment that an org is a 3D activity, except in Melbourne, where it's a 2D affair!

Anyway, by the time I joined staff 1963 (in Mel) we had 2D rules ostensibly in, which being a good boy, I adhered to. No comic relief there

Of course my generation were still rising out of the "behave yourself outside of marriage" thing at that time.

Much to my surprise, the Euro women, when I got there in '65 . . . far more "sophisticated" on this subject of "relationships."

But that's my old generation . . . you relative youngsters must have had a blast!

RogerB

 

[Zinjifar]

For what it's worth - I was in the Air Force mid '60's to early 70's...and pretty much the same applied.

EP

It was the 'times' not the 'place'

Zinj

 

[Markus]

I don't think this has something to do with wether someone is OT or not!

I fall in with Good Twin on this. The 60s and 70s dripped with sex.

I liked the women of ASHO in their mini skirts and no underwear. 5 years later, I enjoyed the camel toes on the women wearing pants.

When I was on OT 2 and 3, my girl friend, who I was living with (in LA) had just gotten out of a relationship with Margaret George, the EO at the AO. Margaret was a bull dyke. About 50 years old. Rich. Drove a vette. She always had honeys hanging around her.

I didn't bother to tell my girl friend (in Northern Cal) about her.

There was a huge gay contingent from the Vigin Islands and San Francisco. AOLA Clear #1 and my wife did a reg tour. When they got back to LA, he showed her his apartment. There was a painting over the mantle of him in drag.

There were girls working in Las Vegas as hookers to pay for their "Bridge."


There was a good deal of "Truth or Dare" played.

At the Palo Alto center, on week ends, there was hot tubbing with thirty or more naked bodies crowding into a hot tub at the Gerbode's house.

Lots of skinny dipping wherever we were.

When I was 20 (and OT), I twinned with a divorced woman, OT, who was 46. This was before Cougars. I had her in bed within a week. We lived together (in her house and my house) for the better part of 4 years. There was a period of a couple of weeks one summer where we barely got out of bed for anything other than food or bathroom. We ended up going separate ways on the question of children. We're still good friends 35 years later.

My wife, a Class Vlll, who was married to a Class Vlll (at the time) took me to my first porn movies (Deep Throat, The Devil in Miss Jones, Flesh Gordon, etc). While she was still living under the same roof with her husband, we got together. She moved out, and in with me. Several years later, we got married. We're still married. The whole damn family comes to our house every holiday and has from the start (of our relationship).

I found, a long time ago, that sex with OTs rocked. Better communication (both with words and freedom from suppressed sexuality), and hellacious flows of energy, lust, and love

A couple of years ago, when I found out how crazy the Co$ had gotten, I was amazed to hear how restrictive the sex thing had become. What a total change from when were a part of it.

I can tell you that good communication (both with words and freedom from suppressed sexuality - as you called it) has nothing to do with wether a woman is OT or not. I found such perfect communication with women which never had anything to do with the church of Scientology.
And I must say that I find that there is no better communication from the OTs
I met in my life. It is not possible to communicate really free with an OT! This is what I observed in the last 32 years.

Love

Markus

 

[michaelangelo]

Yep Wisened One it's amazing the things and life we gave up just for Scientology and all the time apparently Ron was popping pills and God knows what else in his 2-D.

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

Non Confrontum!

Yep Wisened One it's amazing the things and life we gave up just for Scientology and all the time apparently Ron was popping pills and God knows what else in his 2-D.

Those "visios" I don't need!

EP

 

[michaelangelo]

Those "visios" I don't need!

EP

LOL

 

[Zinjifar]

Whole new image of 'Horny Toad'

Zinj

 

[Tiger Lily]

Yep Wisened One it's amazing the things and life we gave up just for Scientology and all the time apparently Ron was popping pills and God knows what else in his 2-D.

Those "visios" I don't need!

EP

Whole new image of 'Horny Toad'

Zinj

Aw come on you guys! This thread was going along all great and light fun and everything, and you have to put all kinds of dampers on the thing!! This is NOT fun anymore!

TL

 

[Zinjifar]

Aw come on you guys! This thread was going along all great and light fun and everything, and you have to put all kinds of dampers on the thing!! This is NOT fun anymore!

TL

Sex is not only beautiful; it's *hilarious*

Zinj

 

[Dulloldfart]

Did anyone apart from me ever turn down sex cos they were on staff or in the S O and didn't want to go "out2-D? Cos they didn't want ethics trouble?".

Yes. I was 35 and she was 18. We'd been having a non-2D friendly relationship for a few weeks. It was unknown if I would be going to LA or not, on again off again for maybe a month. Then LRH died and it suddenly became on.Then she decided she wanted to have a 2D with me, the night before I was due to leave. Grouch. So we kissed and stuff and then I had to turn down the offer of more because I didn't want to end up in the RPF in LA, not immediately anyway. She even offered to marry me if it would keep me in the UK. Never saw her again after I left. Shame.

Paul

 

[Zinjifar]

Scientology - Destroying dreams since 1952

Zinj

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

But we ARE making progress!

Aw come on you guys! This thread was going along all great and light fun and everything, and you have to put all kinds of dampers on the thing!! This is NOT fun anymore!

TL

This...to make ya feel better...maybe... EP

A hundred years ago, an ideal form of love was supposed to bind men and women. Married love was blessed as long as it had no genitals. The eminent Victorian writer John Ruskin, who learned about female anatomy from Greek statues, ran from the bridal chamber in horror when he discovered on his honeymoon that his wife had pubic hair. Sweaty, undignified sex was not accepted as an aspect of ideal love -- in the guise of carnal lust, sex all but killed idealism. Shakespeare himself lamented sex as "the expense of spirit in a waste of shame."

 

[Rmack]

Uhhh Rmack: I'm takin' it you mean she was a freak in a different way that all men want to see and hear their women react in bed with 'em?

I'm not sure I understand the question, but yeah, it was different, all right. It was as if she was being tortured and having a severe seizure at the same time.

I'm no prude, and I appreciate an active participant, but this really was over the top extreme.

But, what the hell, I didn't turn it down.

 

[Wisened One]

This...to make ya feel better...maybe... EP

A hundred years ago, an ideal form of love was supposed to bind men and women. Married love was blessed as long as it had no genitals. The eminent Victorian writer John Ruskin, who learned about female anatomy from Greek statues, ran from the bridal chamber in horror when he discovered on his honeymoon that his wife had pubic hair. Sweaty, undignified sex was not accepted as an aspect of ideal love -- in the guise of carnal lust, sex all but killed idealism. Shakespeare himself lamented sex as "the expense of spirit in a waste of shame."

That don't make me feel better.

THIS make me feel better! AT 3:01 onward....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pyF6qCPJIY

 

[alexm]

Someone call up Daniel Faraday from Lost. I got to be me a panitless SO girl, convince her to blow Scientology and then marry her. OH MAN!!!!

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

I can tell you that good communication (both with words and freedom from suppressed sexuality - as you called it) has nothing to do with wether a woman is OT or not. I found such perfect communication with women which never had anything to do with the church of Scientology.
And I must say that I find that there is no better communication from the OTs
I met in my life. It is not possible to communicate really free with an OT! This is what I observed in the last 32 years.

Love

Markus

If you subtract 32 from 2009, you get 1977. I left the Co$ in 1976. I can pretty much guarantee you that the Oat Teas of the late 60s and early 70s stood heads above anybody certified OT as the tech, admin, and scio culture got more restrained, suppressed, and enforced.

We are not comparing apples to apples.

Yes, I've had a lot of very free friends, not associated with Scientology (in any form), but the hugeness of beings in the period I mentioned was a Camelot like environment that I haven't seen since.

 

[RolandRB]

For those of you who were never scn's, thought ya'll might like to know the curious ways scn's dated, found a mate, etc!

It's gonna be funny to the point it should be in Humor Thread, but I'm gonna explain some ways scn's approached others they liked. (more specifically Staff and SO, But I was Staff, so I'll stick to that).

In scn finding a mate was sort of approached in almost a business-like way.

lrh even wrote quite a bit on HOW to get a mate and what to do!

One of these 'tools' (and actually not a bad one imho) was called an 'Admin Scale'

Now I've been out too long to accuarately describe how this was done, but basically you were told to write a list of what you are looking for in a husband/wife. What qualities, what goals do you want them to have, do you both want to work on together? Even what do you want them to look like!

I hope someone will chime in with an example of one, soon.

But at our Org, Both Public and Staff would trade 'Admin Scales' with a prospective person.

If they both 'matched' (or were compatible enough) then they'd both arrange a meeting and 'talk' further about the possibility of dating.

If not, then you'd either not hear from the person you gave yours too, or maybe you would with a polite rejection.

I'm sure there will be stories offered here of how Staff/SO's/Public found their spouses.

(Oh btw: It was strongly discouraged on Staff to 'sleep' with people for the sake of that, alone, so if that was done, it was hush hushed).

Then, once you DID find someone you were compatible and were dating....it would'nt be very long before the EO would ask you: 'So when are you getting married?' MANY couples I knew felt rushed into marriages due to this kind of pressure! (SO's had it even worse! THEY couldn't even DATE, in the real sense...holding hands, meeting privately to talk, kissing, etc.. I don't think? ).
I think they just traded Admin Scales and got together or not!

Ok, THEN once the couple got to talking, they'd outline their Admin Scales and fine-tune them. You should sit in on one of these! It's really weird, VERY business-like,

LOVE and romance was kinda not mentioned when you are in scn.....VERY strange.

Oh and in case you were wondering? No, sex wasn't approached with any kind of paperwork!

(But who knows what kinda foreplay scn's would do! Maybe they'd do the first two TR's before lovemaking or something....)

I thought it would be something simple like the male shows off his two-inches-too-short trousers and the female responds or not by smiling and showing her buck teeth.