Scientologists Mating Rituals.

[auntpat]

Gaurdians Office Fun

When I worked at LA Org a friend of mine in the GO lived with his wife and his girlfriend. He was in his mid thirties and his wife about 18 and his girlfriend about 20. I told him if he got rid of the young things and got himself a woman one would be enough. Don't know if he ever did it or not.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Victorian writer John Ruskin, who learned about female anatomy from Greek statues, ran from the bridal chamber in horror when he discovered on his honeymoon that his wife had pubic hair."

She should have shaved or waxed.

 

[seulroad]

Ohhh yeah! The damn admin scale! But that was mainly for staff, wasn' it?

 

[scooter]

OK just caught up wih this thread now the kids are in bed asleep.

Friend of mine, about to go overseas for tech training.

Talks to another friend about the girlfriend he's about to leave behind.

They decide the best thing would be for the one who was staying to take over the relationship and move in with the girlfriend.

Amazingly, it all works just fine, the couple are still together and doing fine many years later.

I still scratch my head over that one

 

[HCObringOrder?]

Did anyone apart from me ever turn down sex cos they were on staff or in the S O and didn't want to go "out2-D? Cos they didn't want ethics trouble?".
Or is that just to personal not "P C"?.

Ok, here is the sored tale.

All ways the too late to participate..
I lived in Chicago when Woodstock happened.
But I was too young, did not have any drug friends and never heard about it until too late.
Had a girl gang in Jr High that liked to taunt me and made my life hell for the year.
The same year that sex education started.
I learned a lot about the horrible problems and none about the how to be happy.
I had 2 platonic relationships in Chicago.
One was a saucy gal who's brother and friends liked to help her seduce her boyfriends, but I turned out to be guarded by my mom who ordered that relationship to stop.
The other was a gal I met at a church function, fell in love with her the first sight, and left her because I had no clue how to romance or talk.
Next stop in California, Riverside more of the same.
I never saw the clues any gal gave me unless she was very obvious.
More platonic relationships, and one that ended with disaster because we were sleeping in a sleeping bag in near freezing temp, and I did not know about foreplay.
"keep me warm, um, um, um, um, no, no, no, that hurts!!! Stop it!!"
Jump to Scientology,

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=9323&page=2

, and my second time when I have been in bed with a gal.
The rest of the time is more of the platonic same.
Only one woman wanted me, but I knew it would not work and I told her so as gently as I could.
She later hated me.
A friend of mine at Flag was engaged to be married with a petite and shy staff girl.
A week or so before their wedding, she was raped while walking from the Sand Castle to the FH.
My friend was told that she had pulled it in and was not the ethical woman he thought she was.
I could not believe my friend accepted that and called off the wedding and relationship.
I did not get to see her after that, and I think she was shipped somewhere for an abortion or to have the child.
I do not know.
My friend Larry, was a bit different after that and routed out of the G.O.
One day the wife of one of the G.O. staff chatted me up and I was confused if she was giving me 2D flows or what.
She ended up walking on my back and giving me a back rub in a residential hall of the FH.
I did not take her offer to visit her room, and she later hardly spoke to me, but was not unkind.
I fell in love with a fellow student 2 times.
The first was not reciprocated.
The second was what seemed a nice friendship, but later turned out that she chose another staff member and he was routed off the base.
She stole my blanket that she borrowed!

Finally after I was out, an older woman took me to bed and showed me what was more fun.
A couple more nice women, and now I have found my wife.

Scientology 2D was suppressive and the worst part of my experience over all.
I almost never saw a happy and joyous relationship while there that was that way more than a few months.
One of the few good relationships I saw was started prior to Scientology and remained in spite of it.

After all of that, I have returned to a good balance with myself.



Sorry, sometimes you just have to get rid of it.

 

[Carmel]

Ok, here is the sored tale.

All ways the too late to participate..
I lived in Chicago when Woodstock happened.
But I was too young, did not have any drug friends and never heard about it until too late.
Had a girl gang in Jr High that liked to taunt me and made my life hell for the year.
The same year that sex education started.
I learned a lot about the horrible problems and none about the how to be happy.
I had 2 platonic relationships in Chicago.
One was a saucy gal who's brother and friends liked to help her seduce her boyfriends, but I turned out to be guarded by my mom who ordered that relationship to stop.
The other was a gal I met at a church function, fell in love with her the first sight, and left her because I had no clue how to romance or talk.
Next stop in California, Riverside more of the same.
I never saw the clues any gal gave me unless she was very obvious.
More platonic relationships, and one that ended with disaster because we were sleeping in a sleeping bag in near freezing temp, and I did not know about foreplay.
"keep me warm, um, um, um, um, no, no, no, that hurts!!! Stop it!!"
Jump to Scientology,

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=9323&page=2

, and my second time when I have been in bed with a gal.
The rest of the time is more of the platonic same.
Only one woman wanted me, but I knew it would not work and I told her so as gently as I could.
She later hated me.
A friend of mine at Flag was engaged to be married with a petite and shy staff girl.
A week or so before their wedding, she was raped while walking from the Sand Castle to the FH.
My friend was told that she had pulled it in and was not the ethical woman he thought she was.
I could not believe my friend accepted that and called off the wedding and relationship.
I did not get to see her after that, and I think she was shipped somewhere for an abortion or to have the child.
I do not know.
My friend Larry, was a bit different after that and routed out of the G.O.
One day the wife of one of the G.O. staff chatted me up and I was confused if she was giving me 2D flows or what.
She ended up walking on my back and giving me a back rub in a residential hall of the FH.
I did not take her offer to visit her room, and she later hardly spoke to me, but was not unkind.
I fell in love with a fellow student 2 times.
The first was not reciprocated.
The second was what seemed a nice friendship, but later turned out that she chose another staff member and he was routed off the base.
She stole my blanket that she borrowed!

Finally after I was out, an older woman took me to bed and showed me what was more fun.
A couple more nice women, and now I have found my wife.

Scientology 2D was suppressive and the worst part of my experience over all.
I almost never saw a happy and joyous relationship while there that was that way more than a few months.
One of the few good relationships I saw was started prior to Scientology and remained in spite of it.

After all of that, I have returned to a good balance with myself.



Sorry, sometimes you just have to get rid of it.

Shit oh dear! What a bloody bugger! However, typical it seems, of how it was for many.

Glad you have found your wife! - to you for that .

 

[Markus]

Hmmm

If you subtract 32 from 2009, you get 1977. I left the Co$ in 1976. I can pretty much guarantee you that the Oat Teas of the late 60s and early 70s stood heads above anybody certified OT as the tech, admin, and scio culture got more restrained, suppressed, and enforced.

We are not comparing apples to apples.

Yes, I've had a lot of very free friends, not associated with Scientology (in any form), but the hugeness of beings in the period I mentioned was a Camelot like environment that I haven't seen since.

Well maybe the influence of that time caused the freedom of the women you met then! This is what I want to say here. I asume that you had a relationship to about maximum 5 OT women. Well and did you know them all before they went OT? Are you sure that your communication with them wouldn't have been great anyway because they were some of this many free people this revolutionary time brought out all over the world.

Love

Markus

 

[Carmel]

Well maybe the influence of that time caused the freedom of the women you met then! This is what I want to say here. I asume that you had a relationship to about maximum 5 OT women. Well and did you know them all before they went OT? Are you sure that your communication with them wouldn't have been great anyway because they were some of this many free people this revolutionary time brought out all over the world.

Love

Markus

I get where you are coming from here, Markus. From my experience, I knew males and females who were 'nowhere' on the bridge, and then became "OT umpty dump" (or whatever!) - From their accounts, and the perspective of their partners, being "OT" or moving up the bridge, didn't change or affect the way they were or behaved in the cot - problems/inhibitions/personality they had early on, still existed down the track.

 

[michaelangelo]

I've never had sex with a Scio. Do you get a start, flunk, that's it?. What's the E P ?.
Exterior with full perception?

 

[Carmel]

I've never had sex with a Scio. Do you get a start, flunk, that's it?. What's the E P ?.
Exterior with full perception?

That would depend on which Scio you chose to fuck with.

Scios are people, and people are people - When it comes to sex, the diversity amongst them is no different to what it is in the big wide world!

 

[michaelangelo]

That would depend on which Scio you chose to fuck with.

Scios are people, and people are people - When it comes to sex, the diversity amongst them is no different to what it is in the big wide world!

I guess an O .T. F--k you'd get to go exterior, around the universe, screw xenu's wife and back in time for an ethics interview before getting declared.

 

[ILived1984!]

I've never had sex with a Scio. Do you get a start, flunk, that's it?. What's the E P ?.
Exterior with full perception?

"That's It!" I'm done and that was a flunk! Now go to cramming and cram this up your $%^!"

Cramming for sex....Hmmmmmm......

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

did you know them all before they went OT? Are you sure that your communication with them wouldn't have been great anyway

Love

Markus

To give two examples, should suffice.

I had a girl friend in 1967-68 and again in 1975-76. She has been my friend along this entire time continuum. In the 60s, before Scientology, it was quite normal. After the wraps of societal conventions came off it (and a lot of that has to do with auditing), we were communicating effortlessly from Northern California to Southern California on major psychic levels. We have loved one another from the start. The psychic connection is loads stronger now because there's more "being" there for both of us.

My girlfriend, when I was twenty (she was forty-six), said it succinctly, after I went Clear,"You went down (to LA) a boy, and came back a man." She would not have been my girl fiend if I hadn't gone Clear. There was an amazing transformation. I might add that my havingness and comparable terminals changed commensurate with going up the grade chart and going Clear. I was a farm boy and a high school graduate. I drove a 1950 Plymouth. She was working on a masters in archaeology at UC Berkeley. Her ex husband was president of a Fortune 500 company. Her father had been FDR's press secretary. There was a strong psychic connection that couldn't have been there without our being Clears.

It wasn't just sex that got better with going Clear. It was across the board.

In 1968 about twenty of us got involved with Scientology. We were a tight group of friends. All of us went Clear within a few years. Of that group, two are still "in." Their lives are practically what you would have expected from before they got in Scientology. Those of us, who got the goods, and walked away by 1980, have led pretty adventurous or highly productive lives.

As an example, one is or has been a Chiropractor, landscape contractor, a rock star (drummer), a head chef in a 4 * resort, and has written a musical, which was produced.

Another of our group was a rock star, multi million dollar co-founder of a clothing company, rode his bicycle across the USA, and created from scratch (and an alfalfa field) a well known resort on the Colorado River.

The auditing, training, and connections (networking) we made while we were in opened huge doorways in ability to create and be cause over our lives. The differences, you could see (we did see), in each of us, as we got audited and trained.

I remember rock climbing in Simi Valley on the week ends, while I was on the briefing course. I literally could observe my persistence and skill levels jumping from week end to week end as a direct result of my Scientology during the week.

I had never skied until after I went Clear. The winter after going Clear, i spent a couple of weeks at a friend's house in Bear Valley. The first few hours of skiing, I went from beginner to intermediate on 210 cm skis. I was doing 60 mph down the hill at the end of the day.

When I learned to horseback ride, I was in my forties. I fell off every day. - easily a hundred times. That kind of persistence is a result of auditing I got (and gave) when I was much younger.

My ex girl friend, (who was in her forties when I was in my twenties) I talk to frequently. The last time we talked, she was heading out the door to the gym. She'd spent time in Italy and Greece last year, and is involved with the Cato Institute. She skis as much as I do to this day - about a month out of the year. Most 83 year old women are little old ladies. She is a vibrant example of youth and vigor. It is / was the auditing from decades ago.

My wife, like myself, is a high school graduate. Yet, she founded a school (K-12) about 35 years ago. It is still in business. She is chairman of the board. She has her own property management company. We have two kids in grad school. There is time for vacations with the kids and grandkids, and time to run the Bay to Breakers (7.5 miles across San Francisco) every year.... Plus mountains, beaches, surf, art museums, kayaking, gardening, and reading. She was born in 1945. How many grandmas, do you know, who drive their Jag down the freeway at 90?

Good auditing opened many doors for us. That was a long time ago. The doors (of perception) opened and, stayed open for many of us.

I am ABSOLUTELY NOT saying auditing in the Co$, in the last thirty years, could bring about a comparable result.

 

[HCObringOrder?]

The tales of success after doing certain things is difficult in my mind to attribute to that cause. I can relate to the euphoria associated with the accomplishment of certain levels of Scientology. Some things worked for me too.

Somewhere I missed the successful actions course, or the creative expansion abilities rundown midst the 24/7/365 work and no auditors available for staff after the public is serviced.

My abilities to create multiple businesses and generate money from talking to people was never addressed in Scientology and has not been addressed anywhere else either.

I guess I have some sour grapes.

 

[Markus]

To give two examples, should suffice.

I had a girl friend in 1967-68 and again in 1975-76. She has been my friend along this entire time continuum. In the 60s, before Scientology, it was quite normal. After the wraps of societal conventions came off it (and a lot of that has to do with auditing), we were communicating effortlessly from Northern California to Southern California on major psychic levels. We have loved one another from the start. The psychic connection is loads stronger now because there's more "being" there for both of us.

My girlfriend, when I was twenty (she was forty-six), said it succinctly, after I went Clear,"You went down (to LA) a boy, and came back a man." She would not have been my girl fiend if I hadn't gone Clear. There was an amazing transformation. I might add that my havingness and comparable terminals changed commensurate with going up the grade chart and going Clear. I was a farm boy and a high school graduate. I drove a 1950 Plymouth. She was working on a masters in archaeology at UC Berkeley. Her ex husband was president of a Fortune 500 company. Her father had been FDR's press secretary. There was a strong psychic connection that couldn't have been there without our being Clears.

It wasn't just sex that got better with going Clear. It was across the board.

In 1968 about twenty of us got involved with Scientology. We were a tight group of friends. All of us went Clear within a few years. Of that group, two are still "in." Their lives are practically what you would have expected from before they got in Scientology. Those of us, who got the goods, and walked away by 1980, have led pretty adventurous or highly productive lives.

As an example, one is or has been a Chiropractor, landscape contractor, a rock star (drummer), a head chef in a 4 * resort, and has written a musical, which was produced.

Another of our group was a rock star, multi million dollar co-founder of a clothing company, rode his bicycle across the USA, and created from scratch (and an alfalfa field) a well known resort on the Colorado River.

The auditing, training, and connections (networking) we made while we were in opened huge doorways in ability to create and be cause over our lives. The differences, you could see (we did see), in each of us, as we got audited and trained.

I remember rock climbing in Simi Valley on the week ends, while I was on the briefing course. I literally could observe my persistence and skill levels jumping from week end to week end as a direct result of my Scientology during the week.

I had never skied until after I went Clear. The winter after going Clear, i spent a couple of weeks at a friend's house in Bear Valley. The first few hours of skiing, I went from beginner to intermediate on 210 cm skis. I was doing 60 mph down the hill at the end of the day.

When I learned to horseback ride, I was in my forties. I fell off every day. - easily a hundred times. That kind of persistence is a result of auditing I got (and gave) when I was much younger.

My ex girl friend, (who was in her forties when I was in my twenties) I talk to frequently. The last time we talked, she was heading out the door to the gym. She'd spent time in Italy and Greece last year, and is involved with the Cato Institute. She skis as much as I do to this day - about a month out of the year. Most 83 year old women are little old ladies. She is a vibrant example of youth and vigor. It is / was the auditing from decades ago.

My wife, like myself, is a high school graduate. Yet, she founded a school (K-12) about 35 years ago. It is still in business. She is chairman of the board. She has her own property management company. We have two kids in grad school. There is time for vacations with the kids and grandkids, and time to run the Bay to Breakers (7.5 miles across San Francisco) every year.... Plus mountains, beaches, surf, art museums, kayaking, gardening, and reading. She was born in 1945. How many grandmas, do you know, who drive their Jag down the freeway at 90?

Good auditing opened many doors for us. That was a long time ago. The doors (of perception) opened and, stayed open for many of us.

I am ABSOLUTELY NOT saying auditing in the Co$, in the last thirty years, could bring about a comparable result.

LRH was only 73 years old when he died and he did'nt spent too much time with his children as far as I know - but I know some very old people which are very active in sports and with their grandkids without ever having any contact with the CoS. One of my aunts went into the Alps to climb on 2500m high mountains with me until she was 85!
So if you had big wins on your Auditing that's great for you! But I'm sure that on the other side we can find many people who had no win at all even in the early years of Scientology.

Best wishes

Markus

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

LRH was only 73 years old when he died and he did'nt spent too much time with his children as far as I know - but I know some very old people which are very active in sports and with their grandkids without ever having any contact with the CoS. One of my aunts went into the Alps to climb on 2500m high mountains with me until she was 85!
So if you had big wins on your Auditing that's great for you! But I'm sure that on the other side we can find many people who had no win at all even in the early years of Scientology.

I don't think that it is much of a stretch to say that the Co$ was like a Las Vegas casino. Some of us came away real winners without losing very much at all. Some of us just lost big time, and then chased the losses with more losses. Others won big, lost big, and left the casino with new skills and and experience. Like a casino, the winners were the cheese for everyone else to chase and want to emulate. Some lied about their wins. Some collapsed and died.

It is a human tragedy and / or comedy.

LRH was a frenemy to many, if not all. The more one is shocked by the disclosures, that have become public, the more one was closed off to obvious signs that warned. I left, relatively early, with my friends and family because his insanity was plain as day in 1976.

Those who got major results (either as PCs or as auditors on PCs) recognize that there is immense value hidden in those theories and experiences.

Someday those experiences synthesized with others' experiences will cause a Phoenix - like awakening again, and others will be helped on a regular basis. Probably not all, but more.

I am sorry for your loss(es). I've not lost anyone to the (current) nightmare that is Scientology. I've not helped all I tried to help. In no way is "the tech" a science. It is still in the craft mode of development. The culture has changed from the freedom and help of the early 70s to unconscionable greed and unchecked evil power.

In the 1870s dentistry was barbaric, to say the least. Today, I feel safe in my dentist and periodontist's hands. Dentistry has come a long way. We are in a comparable period (to the 1870s' dentistry) of human mind and spirit technology. Someday it may be a more gentle and loving activity.

We each have lessons to learn.

 

[Lynn Fountain Campbell]

Eurkeka!! I've found it -- the "right why"; the reason that stats are down now. Policies and practices of the '70's need to be reinstated!! Somebody tell DM; it's not GAT or the Basics. . . . it's sex!!

TL

Seduction is the basis of morale.

Lynn

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

Incompatible mating rituals?

Incompatible mating rituals?Not really.. 'Hank' (Californication) manages to seduce her anyway.. She's 'One Kinky Thetan!' (That's not in this clip.. The (long) scene has been removed from YouTube due to copyright violations.. The long arm of OSA is long and winded.. And knotty, featuring too many elbows.. And festooned with cheap copies of designerwatches!)

 

[Kookaburra]

Incompatible mating rituals?Not really.. 'Hank' (Californication) manages to seduce her anyway.. She's 'One Kinky Thetan!' (That's not in this clip.. The (long) scene has been removed from YouTube due to copyright violations.. The long arm of OSA is long and winded.. And knotty, featuring too many elbows.. And festooned with cheap copies of designerwatches!)

 

[KnightVision]

Scilon mating rituals are nothing more than doing a *rush job* of the admin scale, ideal scene and conditions so that one*shows* compliance with the *tech*, i.e. that's an acronym for *The Everlasting Confusion House*... so that they can get on with the act of getting naked and enjoy their sexual prowess.