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God! What a mess scientology was/is. This whole system built upon a false premise. No wonder we got so screwed up!
Thanks.
Was it worth it?
Wow. You all know me by my story, not all this technical stuff! But now I am getting into it! I rarely do..... It's time though.
If they are determined to be not Clear, the Clear status is removed and then we look at what actions they have had already and if they were done correctly to EP or not. We start with Purif. Most may have had it. If it was EPed and no drugs since, then we would look at Objectives. I am not sure what the current change is in Objectives because even when I was in, the hours requirement was a big deal. Maybe not in Class V Orgs, but at CCI and ASHO, Objectives being done properly to completion were important for OT Levels starts. If the EP of Objectives was there, and they had audited enough hours on it, then Scn DRD would be done. Most had not had it. Then ARC Straightwire up to Grade IV would be done/ reviewed. If they were all ok and EPed (none ever were, they usually had to be redone). Then they would go onto a NED program like anyone else. And they would either go Clear, or go onto Alternate Route. Most would go Clear on NED auditing. A small percentage would go onto Alternate Route to Clear (which is Power, R6EW and Clearing Course, then onto OT I straight). They would attest to NED Case Completion and then do OT Preps and Solo I and II and then do Alternate Route.
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False Purpose RD had specific uses. For example if a persons OCA was low on the left, they would be out of valence and get LX Lists as part of OT Preps (with GF40X), if it were low on the right, they would get FPRD. The C/S (yours truly) would determine which areas the person would get FPRD on. Its glorified sec checking, basically, plus finding the underlying evil purpose and blowing it.
Hope this helps.
Sort of. I think Dean says it pretty good in the post below yours.
But basically the person realizes they have been mocking up the reactive mind, that they mocked up their own bank.
It is not a present tense "I am mocking it up".
It's an "I did it in the first place, a long long long time ago. I used it as a defense mechanism. I thought I needed this thing (reactive mind) but I really don't!"
Call it a wholetrack cognition, if that makes it easier to understand what I mean. It is not a current, in auditing thing. One is not DOING IT right now. They did it to begin with.
And if they keep mocking it up, that's on them. That does not mean they are not Clear. Clear is an awareness that they are responsible for it coming into being in the first place. They were not handed it, they built it. Bang.
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Now the requirements are a different story (anyone who doesn't give a crap about this, skip the below, because it will be technical Scieno-speak)
The first is a wide, loose, floppy needle.
Then it was floating TA.
A person could go clear in a past life and that was automatically accepted, for a while. Then it was no longer accepted because someone supposedly faked it. So then it was a matter of getting the name of the past life person and pulling up the folders for that person, counting how many hours of Dianetics auditing they had, and also checking all of those past life sessions to see if there was a point in the auditing where they may have had this meter phenomena (If the past life was when metering was being used). That got a little hoaky for me.
For this lifetime Clears, we had to find and tab those things in the sessions as well. We had to find the session where they went Clear in the Dianetic auditing, in ADDITION to the CCRD with the Date/Locate on video with the end phenomena of the floating TA or wide, loose floppy F/N. The video had to be queued up to this needle phenomena, all of the Dianetics hours had to be added up and in the CSW we had to highlight how many hours of Dianetics a person had.
(This submission was for approval to attest to Clear, not to get onto OT Levels, that was another, separate CSW after Solo I, II, OT Preps and Elig)
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And then around 99 or 2000, an IG Network Bulletin came out where if a person had not outright stated the Clear Cog, we could interview them and fish around to get it. Hopefully so they did not have to pay to get a new CCRD. That hardly worked. Very few came out with it in the interview. If they did spit it out, we would tab that, count the number of Dianetics hours and submit approval to do OT Levels.
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I remember a PC when I was at ASHO. I was not the C/S. Bruce Gaines was. What a sad, sweet guy. The girl DID NOT HAVE ANY CLEAR EVIDENCE and she was told so. She flipped out and went to the RTC office at AOLA and tried to assault the RTC Rep. So she (RTC Rep) requested all of the folders and told Bruce to review everything. Both of us went through everything with a fine tooth comb. It was not there and I told Bruce that. He started to cry.
Next thing I knew she was started on OT I.
I was like "WTF???"
Maybe if I go try to beat up an RTC Rep they will give me something for nothing too!!!
Why does it need to be about past tense?
If a person realizes it (bank, engram, condition -whatever) is a mock up, then it is being mocked up "now" while it is affecting them -or while it is being audited. The mock-up must be now for it to exist now and if the person ceases mocking it up (along with the mocked-up discomforts etc)
then is just isn't there. AFAICS adding history to it as in "I mocked it up in the past" may be a way of stopping a mock up too. But surely, if a person is now "in present time", it is in present time that the mocking up needs to cease. So IF IT WERE TRUE, that certain conditions were caused by a persons own will -or determinism- then they could in theory choose to cease those conditions by fully realizing that they were doing it of their own volition and could stop. NOW. Of course if they had been doing it for years or (in theory) lifetimes, that would entail that they originally started it. But you seem to minimize present time. Surely the present is more important and if it is realized as a present thing then the past is included by default -it is entailed.
Follow those exact links in the blog post.
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Sort of. I think Dean says it pretty good in the post below yours.
But basically the person realizes they have been mocking up the reactive mind, that they mocked up their own bank.
It is not a present tense "I am mocking it up".
It's an "I did it in the first place, a long long long time ago. I used it as a defense mechanism. I thought I needed this thing (reactive mind) but I really don't!"
Call it a wholetrack cognition, if that makes it easier to understand what I mean. It is not a current, in auditing thing. One is not DOING IT right now. They did it to begin with.
And if they keep mocking it up, that's on them. That does not mean they are not Clear. Clear is an awareness that they are responsible for it coming into being in the first place. They were not handed it, they built it. Bang.
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Now the requirements are a different story (anyone who doesn't give a crap about this, skip the below, because it will be technical Scieno-speak)
The first is a wide, loose, floppy needle.
Then it was floating TA.
A person could go clear in a past life and that was automatically accepted, for a while. Then it was no longer accepted because someone supposedly faked it. So then it was a matter of getting the name of the past life person and pulling up the folders for that person, counting how many hours of Dianetics auditing they had, and also checking all of those past life sessions to see if there was a point in the auditing where they may have had this meter phenomena (If the past life was when metering was being used). That got a little hoaky for me.
For this lifetime Clears, we had to find and tab those things in the sessions as well. We had to find the session where they went Clear in the Dianetic auditing, in ADDITION to the CCRD with the Date/Locate on video with the end phenomena of the floating TA or wide, loose floppy F/N. The video had to be queued up to this needle phenomena, all of the Dianetics hours had to be added up and in the CSW we had to highlight how many hours of Dianetics a person had.
(This submission was for approval to attest to Clear, not to get onto OT Levels, that was another, separate CSW after Solo I, II, OT Preps and Elig)
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And then around 99 or 2000, an IG Network Bulletin came out where if a person had not outright stated the Clear Cog, we could interview them and fish around to get it. Hopefully so they did not have to pay to get a new CCRD. That hardly worked. Very few came out with it in the interview. If they did spit it out, we would tab that, count the number of Dianetics hours and submit approval to do OT Levels.
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I remember a PC when I was at ASHO. I was not the C/S. Bruce Gaines was. What a sad, sweet guy. The girl DID NOT HAVE ANY CLEAR EVIDENCE and she was told so. She flipped out and went to the RTC office at AOLA and tried to assault the RTC Rep. So she (RTC Rep) requested all of the folders and told Bruce to review everything. Both of us went through everything with a fine tooth comb. It was not there and I told Bruce that. He started to cry.
Next thing I knew she was started on OT I.
I was like "WTF???"
Maybe if I go try to beat up an RTC Rep they will give me something for nothing too!!!
Not a present tense "mocking it up"? Mmmm... Curious as to Dulloldfart's input on this:
'Call it a whole-track cognition, if that makes it easier to understand what I mean. It is not a current, in auditing thing. One is not DOING IT right now. They did it to begin with.
And if they keep mocking it up, that's on them. That does not mean they are not Clear. Clear is an awareness that they are responsible for it coming into being in the first place. They were not handed it, they built it'. Bang.
***CONFIDENTIAL*** ***CLEAR COGNITION***
I really don't know if this will mess up anyone's case if they are not "Clear", or what the state really means any more, if it even exists. However...
A couple of people have posted here recently saying the Clear Cog is realizing that "I mocked up my Reactive Mind." It isn't. It is realizing that "I am mocking up my Reactive Mind." It is completely different, completely. Completely.
"Mocking up" means doing it in present time, right now, continuously, repetitively, each instant as it goes by, bam, bam, bam, bam, Hubbard said 25 times a second in the famous 1963 Time Track HCOBs. It's not that one mocked it up once, like you had an accident ten years ago and made a picture of it (engram) at the time and you sort of carry that picture around with you ever after, having made it in the past. You are creating that picture in a new unit of time every instant POW POW POW POW POW, at least, you are when it is in restim to some extent.
Don't ask me the exact mechanics of this. It implies that Hubbard had it all right, and he didn't.
For some reason the difference between mocked it up in the past and mocking it up continuously in present time is hard for some people to grasp. I remember a Grad V guy I checked out on auditing the CCRD around 1993. He was "OT VIII." He had a cold, and look a real mess. After about an hour of trying to get him to see the difference - and I was a trained sup and knew about misunderstoods and earlier similar mis-u's and e/s subjects etc. - I finally "realized" that the reason he couldn't see it (and also why he was in such a mess case-wise) was because he wasn't personally Clear. Now I don't know at all, but I have had trouble with other people - who attested OT whatever in the CofS and were Class VI and so forth - not easily grasping the difference between having mocked it up PFFT! at some point in the past and mocking it up in present time now now now now now now now now now now now now now...
Get the idea? If not, I tried!
Paul
And this "tech" discussion already occurred, so it's probably not worth revisiting. But just to show how many "takes" on the "tech" there were/are inside the CofS, where well-meaning, dedicated, tech people were struggling to "make it work," I'll re-post this.
By Dulloldfart, from the Clear cognition thread of August/September 2012:
The pattern seems to be,
1) Hubbard, sometimes on a whim, decides "A".
2) Scientologists take "A" as "truth."
3) Scientologists attempt to make sense of "A."
4) " " " " attempt to make "A" work.
5) "A" doesn't work. Dedicated tech people attempt to change "A" - without "altering tech" or "making LRH wrong" - so as to make "A" (slightly and discreetly modified) "work."
6) Hubbard changes his mind, and say "B."
7) Repeat.
It's both of those things. Right up until the point the guy goes "Clear" (whatever that state really is) he's still creating it. The point where he sees for himself that he is creating it, followed by the realisation that he doesn't have to keep creating it (unless he's an idiot), is the point where "whatever that state is" occurs.Not a present tense "mocking it up"? Mmmm... Curious as to Dulloldfart's input on this.
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And this "tech" discussion already occurred, so it's probably not worth revisiting. But just to show how many "takes" on the "tech" there were/are inside the CofS, where well-meaning, dedicated, tech people were struggling to "make it work," I'll re-post this.
By Dulloldfart, from the Clear cognition thread of August/September 2012:
The pattern seems to be,
1) Hubbard, sometimes on a whim, decides "A".
2) Scientologists take "A" as "truth."
3) Scientologists attempt to make sense of "A."
4) " " " " attempt to make "A" work.
5) "A" doesn't work. Dedicated tech people attempt to change "A" - without "altering tech" or "making LRH wrong" - so as to make "A" (slightly and discreetly modified) "work."
6) Hubbard changes his mind, and say "B."
7) Repeat.
Bea, I agree with what you've written about it but it is a combination of both. Some people interpret 'mocking it up' as 'imagining it' rather than as creating it. See my post above.
Before you ask, I delivered a lot of CCRD and DCSI too.
It's both of those things. Right up until the point the guy goes "Clear" (whatever that state really is) he's still creating it. The point where he sees for himself that he is creating it, followed by the realisation that he doesn't have to keep creating it (unless he's an idiot), is the point where "whatever that state is" occurs.
I believe Bea is saying that after Dianetic auditing one has the cog or realization that they were mocking it up in the first place not that they were already clear. Once they realize that they were creating the bank or mocking it up to begin with, they then become clear. I audited CCRDS from when the CCRD came out until 1991 when I left and we even did CCRDs on some OTs with resultant upsets. The worms in those cans were not happy.
It's both of those things. Right up until the point the guy goes "Clear" (whatever that state really is) he's still creating it. The point where he sees for himself that he is creating it, followed by the realisation that he doesn't have to keep creating it (unless he's an idiot), is the point where "whatever that state is" occurs.
Ah, yes, the vaunted "Clear Cog".
Wogs call it "changing your mind".
But when it happens, they don't applaud and give each other certificates.
nor do they charge you for intensives to change your mind.
As hubbard said, the eaiest thing a thetan does is change his mind. LOL
Hubbard figured out how to get people to change their minds and charge them money for it.
The work was free, so keep it so.