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Discussion in 'Evaluating and Criticising Scientology' started by Gadfly, Dec 22, 2009.

  1. For some reason mentally ill people seem to have this inherent need to believe that not only does the world need saving, but they are the only ones who know how to save it. In Ron's case he kicked it up a notch from Mentally Ill to Bat Shit Crazy with a capital 'B'
  2. Gadfly

    Gadfly Crusader

    Am I allowed to bump my own thread? :biggrin:

  3. Sindy

    Sindy Crusader

    Yes :biggrin:
  4. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Yes, indeed, and it's a thread well worth bumping if one can ignore Vin's Semitic vs Vedic Crusade derail the middle.

    Thanks to Ogsonofgroo for resurrecting it. :thumbsup:
    Last edited: Dec 27, 2011
  5. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    There is a lot of good threads boxed in the basement :thumbsup:
  6. scooter

    scooter Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thanks for bumping this, Gaddie - this was one of my favourite OPs.:thumbsup:

    If any newbie wants to see the toxic cult mindgames in their naked fury, this would be a good place to start.:yes:
  7. Gadfly

    Gadfly Crusader

    I just figured out how to upload the essay and link to it! :duh:

    You can view and/or download the essay right here:

    Attached Files:

    Last edited: Jan 24, 2012
  8. sallydannce

    sallydannce Gold Meritorious Patron

    This thread should regularly be bumped.

  9. wazn

    wazn Patron with Honors

    BUMP! :happydance:
  10. freshmusician

    freshmusician Patron

    Good stuff Gadfly. Thank you. :goodjob:
  11. Gadfly

    Gadfly Crusader

    I am glad that you found it useful.

    As I see it, a great amount of the nuttiness of Scientology and Scientologsts stems DIRECTLY from the strict, over-the-top belief system. Without grasping what they believe and how they believe, one will not ever be able to grasp their "behaviors".

    When it comes to ideologues, the crazy behvaiors are rooted in the crazy beliefs. :yes:

    That is surely the case with Scientology.
  12. onthepes

    onthepes Patron with Honors

    Thanks for this Gadfly. I was particularly stunned reading this again:

    "Dilettante = One who interests himself in an art or science merely as a pastime and without serious study.

    In an org, this manifests itself with 'people should live a little.' 'One needs a rest from Scientology.' 'One should do something else, too'. All that kind of jazz.

    Ask what they do the other nights. Bowling. Horse racing.

    Boy, you better maul the case folders of staff. You have a suppressive aboard. Maybe six.

    Scientology, that saves lives, is a modern miracle, is being compared to bowling. Get it?

    That org or portion just isn't serious. Scientology is an idle club to it, an old lady's sewing circle.”

    This is so poignant. Do you mind if I cry? I used to walk around thinking Scientology was the only way. That everyone else was unaware. I read this stuff again in a new time-frame and just want to gag or blow my brains out. I do want to thank you though. Evil has to be confronted, so the truth gives you better understanding and then a certain peace. But this stuff is tough to confront I must say.

    I was glad to see excerpts from "Safeguarding Technology". For some reason, that is the one I hate vehemently. LRH was a toxic man.

    The reason this is so relevant is that for the past year I have received emails and text messages from people still in Scientology. I have ignored them, which may seem cold, but I just cannot bring myself into a discussion with them about the wonders of Scientology. I won't have any good news for them.

    I was very friendly with some public that went into the Org. They were a wonderful family. I loved the couple and their kids. I had been thinking about them as I know they had spent a lot of money in Scientology. I had thought on the lady a lot. Today I got a request from her to be a friend on Facebook. I could pretty much feel it was going to happen. I wonder what she wants. I accepted her friendship request. I am extremely curious. I feel this may be my chance to finally let someone know that I am definitely not part of that culture any more. I hope she isn't, but I find it unlikely. If she is out, I would be ecstatic.

    I best get back as I am only half-way through that document. Thanks heaps, Gadfly.
  13. Gadfly

    Gadfly Crusader

    I am glad that you found some of it useful. You are very welcome!

    Yeah, people can be very nice, kind and loving, and THEN they get their heads filled with all sorts of nonsensical BELIEFS. And these beleifs directly affect their behavior.

    It can work both ways. One can get "positive beliefs", and exhibit kind, tolerant and compassionate behavior towards others. Or, as in organized KSW-based RTC-run Scientology, one can adopt "negative beliefs" and exhibit arrogant, elitist, know-best, intolerant and harmful behaviors.

    Also, one can selectively remove the BAD beliefs of Scientology (of which there are many), keep the "good beliefs" of Scientology, as some FZers do, and exhibit kind & decent behavior. It is all a matter of the "mix". Of course, in the Church of Scientology, the mixture will always be toxic.
  14. Auditor's Toad

    Auditor's Toad Clear as Mud

    One of the greatest moments I've ever shared with my wife was she said, out of the blue, to me " KSW. I'm just no longer there. I don't feel that way anymore".

    At last, I could stop grinding my teeth over what I had come to know was a cult.
  15. phenomanon

    phenomanon Canyon

    I don't remember much about Avatar, but I do recall one question that stands out for me. That question was " What would you have to believe in order to ( act, respond, behave) that way"?
    One of my answers to it was what my family member would have to believe in order to disconnect from me. It "blew a lotta charge" offa me.

  16. Adam7986

    Adam7986 Declared SP

    The question remains: how long until they take a truly, overtly extremist approach such a Jonestown or Waco? The question worries me every day because i fear for my Sea Org employed brother and my Scientology family.
  17. Markus

    Markus Silver Meritorious Patron

    Marvellous post Gadfly :thumbsup::clap:

    I just find it a little bit unfair to blame only religions. There are and were so many "...isms" where you can find this brutal indoctrination too. Napoleon was able to start a brutal war all over Europe by claiming that he will bring the achievements of the "French Revolution" to every nation. Look what Hitlers Nazism caused to the world. Not to mention communism - Stalin - and kapitalism "you must consume" - no other way of life is accepted.


    Last edited: Oct 2, 2012
  18. Gadfly

    Gadfly Crusader

    You are spot-on correct Markus! :thumbsup:

    ANY sort of package of beliefs can lead people to behave in nutty ways. IDEOLOGY is an equal-opportunity factor in the continued indiocies of many people, and this embraces religions, politics, philosophies, and even areas of what is called "science".

    Changing the attitudes and beliefs of groups of people has always been a major concern of those in power. And, understanding any set of beliefs makes it FAR easier to understand WHY the believers behave as they do.

    This has a special meaning and application when trying to understand the subject and behaviors of Scientology and Scientologists.

    It really is simple psychology, and understanding how the mind REALLY "works".
  19. Mick Wenlock

    Mick Wenlock Admin Emeritus (retired)

    I really do doubt that Scientology would approach such a denouement as its end game.

    The essence of Scientology is individual before anyone or anything else. Personal gain, personal power, personal godhood before anything.

    Scientologists in general have courage of hack politicians. They are scared to make a stand for anything because they are always afraid that they may have it wrong.

    So I don;t see that sort of "ragnarok" in Scientology's future - what I do see if a rabble of lost losers wandering around telling each other what to do.
  20. Div6

    Div6 Crusader

    From Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer":

    “All mass movements generate in their adherents a readiness to die and a proclivity for united action; all of them, irrespective of the doctrine they preach and the program they project, breed fanaticism, enthusiasm, fervent hope, hatred and intolerance; all of them are capable of releasing a powerful flow of activity in certain departments of life; all of them demand blind faith and singlehearted allegiance.” (Preface)

    "When we renounce the self and become part of the compact whole, we not only renounce personal advantage but are also rid of personal responsibility… we find a new freedom –freedom to hate, bully, lie, torture, murder…"