Scientology explained

[sallydannce]

Leon,

Can you ever just laugh at yourself and not take yourself so seriously 24/7?

You might find it therapeutic.

Laughter is so powerful, it practically brings the dead to life. I've seen it with my own eyes, in a hospital, where a man whose systems were shutting down was made to laugh and fully recovered. Laughter stimulates and revitalizes vital organs, it gets the blood going, it does all sorts of wonderful things.

Try it some time.

Yes, I have seen it too. I experience laughter from the most unlikely places - the dying (& those that care for them), the blind, those in challenged in ways that takes my breath away. And we laugh, a lot.

 

[Bill]

I think this is a perfectly good description of the difference between Faith Healing and Scientology. I stand by it.

If you disagree then you'll have to explain why exactly.

What the subject attributes his healing to is just window-dressing. It doesn't change what happens or doesn't happen. You seem to think that faith healing actually involves Jesus coming down and handling things. Really? You really think that?

That's like saying the difference is in what the "practitioner" calls it. Window-dressing. Words. Look at the actions, they are close enough for your version of Scientology as you describe it, to fit right in.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I think faith healing, of itself, is fine.

 

[Claire Swazey]

Leon,

Can you ever just laugh at yourself and not take yourself so seriously 24/7?

You might find it therapeutic.

Laughter is so powerful, it practically brings the dead to life. I've seen it with my own eyes, in a hospital, where a man whose systems were shutting down was made to laugh and fully recovered. Laughter stimulates and revitalizes vital organs, it gets the blood going, it does all sorts of wonderful things.

Try it some time.

I believe there's a scn process where you just laugh. However, looks like they were probably doing that first in India. Not surprised.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I believe there's a scn process where you just laugh. However, looks like they were probably doing that first in India. Not surprised.

Yes, it was noted in Hubbard's book, The Creation of Human Ability. The commands are:

Start Laughing
Keep on Laughing

​

Hubbard began researching this process in the early 1950's, along the theory that if you get a being to do on their own determinism, what they are doing on a automaticity, they can stop doing it.

Unfortunately, the pilot failed and people continued right on laughing (to this day) at Dr. Hubbard and his mental science.

 

[oneonewasaracecar]

OMG! It just came to me! hubbard created 273 clears before 1950, but then Mother Nature up'd the anti! The natural laws that define clear changed! The state of clear evolved beyond the clear! This has happened over and over because of the nature of clear itself. It is an evolving Idea. In fact it is the ideal idea. It cannot be reached it can only be reached for. I hope this clears things up. (oh sheesh I hope an unmentioned hoaxer here on ESMB doesn't use this in another thread to make fun of me)

That's great, but now we need a definition for clears that up.

 

[oneonewasaracecar]

I hate to disagree with you but, delicious as it may be to some, that's not real cheesecake! (Stratty quickly dons flak jacket)

No, real cheesecake, as far as I'm concerned, was what you used to be able to buy in most coffee shops in and around central London in the 60's and 70's (and possibly to this day, I wouldn't know, you certainly don't see it where I'm living now unfortunately). There were no nuts in the topping, or any berries in the pastry on the bottom or any other 'frills' to it, simply a thin, faintly lemony crust over a thick, creamy, dense body with the odd sultana lurking within.

Not exactly what I'm talking about, but close.

I know that compared to what we see in your example what I have described may sound boring, but the taste...

I'll say no more!

This board is for cheesecake reformers and critics.

No one has ever successfully made a cheesecake which is clear of any garnishes.

 

[oneonewasaracecar]

Correct. I have said several times on the thread that scientology is not a science. So we're agreed on this.

scientology involves making claims that tresspass on the territory of science but that are not science.

That is called pseudo science.

And that is your scientific assessment, is it? Or is it the ravings of a paranoiac? Sounds like the latter.

From Bare Faced Messiah, and ex-lover of his diagnosed him as a paranoid manic depressive. He is known to have chained up children in lockers and he once hypnotised a fellow science fiction writer and tormented him. From his admissions, it is clear that he heard a voice in his head that told him what to do.

I'm pretty uptone and happy in my life. I have a good wife and am fairly well set up. This thread and getting any agreements from others on what I say is a sideshow.

I can't see how that can be. Why would you be pushing your ethics tech here if you were happy?

I don't understand some of the terms and allusions you make here above so it is hard to even comment on it. Indy 500? another drive with a smaller number? facebook? Rathbun's books I have never read and have no interest in. I know Indy 500 is a car race and facebook is something people waste a huge amount of time on but I don't follow your argument here.

My assessment of the Indy field is that it is considerably less than the thousands.

You said the Scientology organzation does not do real scientology and that can only mean that you think there are thousand of indies out there doing real tech.

This is not the case.

Thousands of real people in the real world.

As I say, dozens are using it. The COfS has thousands of people, maybe tens of thousands.

For many, the free zone is a stepping stone out. A few get stuck there and never leave but most do.

Science has no proofs? Tell me more, please.




I am very well acquainted with the horror stories that people have told they went through on this board and elsewhere. I do believe them. I also know full well that they were never 'in' Scientology itself but were caught up in the evil web of the organization set up to deliver scientology. These are two different things and that difference needs to be grasped. The Church of Scientology is an evil empire set up by Hubbard and perpetuated by the corrupt barstards that ran the place after him which is designed to separate fools from their money and to enslave those who have no money left.

They don't do Scientology there. The RPF is not Scientology. They only do robbery and fraud.

 

[oneonewasaracecar]

boston pro teams almost look like an optical illusion sometimes don't they?

they're not

I know you mean well Birdsong, but you are quite wrong.

 

[oneonewasaracecar]

hi leon!

i like your thead

this appears more rhetorical scorn rather than content, IMHO...

As usual, you cannot be specific. This is because you are wrong.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

I hate to disagree with you but, delicious as it may be to some, that's not real cheesecake! (Stratty quickly dons flak jacket)

No, real cheesecake, as far as I'm concerned, was what you used to be able to buy in most coffee shops in and around central London in the 60's and 70's (and possibly to this day, I wouldn't know, you certainly don't see it where I'm living now unfortunately). There were no nuts in the topping, or any berries in the pastry on the bottom or any other 'frills' to it, simply a thin, faintly lemony crust over a thick, creamy, dense body with the odd sultana lurking within.

Not exactly what I'm talking about, but close.

I know that compared to what we see in your example what I have described may sound boring, but the taste...

I'll say no more!

Yep, I know the one ... I make it the "Polish way" without any base at all sometimes (I haven't for a while though so I'll have to search for the recipe if anyone wants it) ... I just use baking paper so it doesn't stick to the tin while baking.

The base is usually made with scrunched up biscuits (too sweet for me).

To get the consistency right (your jaws are virtually glued together if it's made correctly) the recipe should contain cream cheese (Philadelphia works well) and needs to have around a tablespoon of cornflour in it, that is the secret of the European cheesecake, also it's best if left for 24 hours in the fridge before cutting ... the lighter, fluffy one is American and is [STRIKE]sickly, revolting slop[/STRIKE] not to my liking.

 

[oneonewasaracecar]

In faith healing the guy just sits and "gets healed" by Jesus or whoever. He is there purely as the recipient of the grace that will be bestowed on him.

In Scientology, by complete contrast, the person is the agent and source of his own betterment.

I reckon that qualifies as a difference.

The faith healer relies on the placebo effect. This means the person who gets healed is actually healing themself but they put it down to their guru.

There is less of a difference than you imagine.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

..

Originally Posted by Leon-2

I'm pretty uptone and happy in my life.

I can't see how that can be.

Why would you be pushing your ethics tech here if you were happy?

ANSWER: Because Scientology is [STRIKE]the only game in the universe where everyone wins[/STRIKE] a zero-sum game.

 

[Gib]

The faith healer relies on the placebo effect. This means the person who gets healed is actually healing themself but they put it down to their guru.

There is less of a difference than you imagine.

lets introduce the sheeple effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheeple

"Sheeple (a portmanteau of "sheep" and "people") is a derogatory term that highlights the herd behavior of people by likening them to sheep, a herd animal. The term is used to describe those who voluntarily acquiesce to a suggestion without critical analysis or research."

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What can I say, when I read dianetics back in 1987 and Hubbard said he cleared some 270 people, in that book,

why I fell for the sheeple effect.

Should I write a success story, (when I was a true believer, on each step of the Bridge, so as to create a sheeple effect, why yes, I was a true believer), that can be broadly published as when I was in the COS writing success stories. LOL

I became a product of the sheeple effect and didn't even know it.

 

[Leon-2]

One would think that, but that's not quite true.

In scientology, if you grabbed a person off the street, raw meat,

the first thing a scientology auditor has to do is explain things. That right there, in that first step, is indoctrination, or getting agreement (no agreement, you're out of here, PTS/SP, open mind, etc LOL).

I believe it's called a CS-1, one has to learn the terms of ARC, e-meter, etc.

Can you grab somebody off the streets and just audit him/her?

What would the results be?

Well, the first step is to indoctrinate or educate into hubbards system, on a gradient no doubt. But isn't this an evaluation, when one indoctrinates a new person, one is telling the person what to think (hey got an F/N), but yet hubbard said auditing is not evaluation (F/N is an evaluation). But yet subtlety he did, by his subtle indoctrination or education. This is also known as persuasion or hypnosis, getting a person to think per the operators instructions.

Per the hubbard system, there is no way to audit a person to the state of clear or ot, as it is all evaluation. The whole clear or ot concept has to be introduced somewhere, and that is in itself an evaluation of what a person should think, be, do, or have, or act.

Garbage. Too much to even bother detailing.

 

[Leon-2]

Eh? Do you mean me? I haven't said anything since last night on this thread. What words, what context?

I'm going out to have some fun! Gonna play with a magnificent guide-dog.

I meant Sheila. Sorry.

 

[Gib]

Garbage. Too much to even bother detailing.

So you do not think scientology is pure evaluation?

I differ.

what is your argument other than just "garbage"?

Don't forget scientology is an "applied religious philosophy" supposedly?

 

[Leon-2]

The faith healer relies on the placebo effect. This means the person who gets healed is actually healing themself but they put it down to their guru.

There is less of a difference than you imagine.

OK. This is a fair point of view, here and also with the earlier post by whatsisname.

I had in mind more along the line of the writings and work done by Lynn Taggart. I've just looked for and found this website:

http://theintentionexperiment.com/the-experiments


Haven't read this in detail but I have read a book by her on the subject. I don't think placebos work on seedlings.

 

[JustSheila]

Yep, I know the one ... I make it the "Polish way" without any base at all sometimes (I haven't for a while though so I'll have to search for the recipe if anyone wants it) ... I just use baking paper so it doesn't stick to the tin while baking.

The base is usually made with scrunched up biscuits (too sweet for me).

To get the consistency right (your jaws are virtually glued together if it's made correctly) the recipe should contain cream cheese (Philadelphia works well) and needs to have around a tablespoon of cornflour in it, that is the secret of the European cheesecake, also it's best if left for 24 hours in the fridge before cutting ... the lighter, fluffy one is American and is [STRIKE]sickly, revolting slop[/STRIKE] not to my liking.

That's not the traditional Polish cheesecake I remember. Ours was made with ricotta cheese and baked:

http://easteuropeanfood.about.com/od/polishdesserts/r/polishcheescake.htm

[h=5]INGREDIENTS[/h]

• Crust:
• 1 pound shortbread cookies or graham crackers (if using the latter, add 1/4 cup sugar)
• 2 tablespoons melted butter
• .
• Filling:
• 2 pounds dry curd or farmers cheese or ricotta
• 8 ounces (2 sticks) butter, softened
• 1 cup + 1 cup confectioners' sugar
• 8 large eggs, separated
• 2 heaping tablespoons all-purpose flour
• 1 heaping tablespoon cornstarch
• 1 level tablespoon baking powder
• 1 teaspoon vanilla

 

[I told you I was trouble]

That's not the traditional Polish cheesecake I remember. Ours was made with ricotta cheese and baked:

http://easteuropeanfood.about.com/od/polishdesserts/r/polishcheescake.htm

[h=5]INGREDIENTS[/h]

• Crust:
• 1 pound shortbread cookies or graham crackers (if using the latter, add 1/4 cup sugar)
• 2 tablespoons melted butter
• .
• Filling:
• 2 pounds dry curd or farmers cheese or ricotta
• 8 ounces (2 sticks) butter, softened
• 1 cup + 1 cup confectioners' sugar
• 8 large eggs, separated
• 2 heaping tablespoons all-purpose flour
• 1 heaping tablespoon cornstarch
• 1 level tablespoon baking powder
• 1 teaspoon vanilla

The Polish delicatessen I used (years ago) made their own and omitted the crust completely (that's what I was referring to).

The recipe varies (yours above is an American version) ... mine is baked too but the cheese I mentioned makes it firmer and more like the one Strat was reminiscing about which also has sour cream in (believe me you don't want the recipe ... just thinking about it add inches).

It freezes well though so can be used over say, 8 weeks.

Cool thread Leon.

 

[sallydannce]

We need to start a "Cheesecakes explained" thread! A quiet place where domestic goddesses, aspiring domestic goddesses - and others - can sit down and get into some serious meaningful discussions about the cheesecake.

My feelings/taste-buds on "the cheesecake" are highly developed, based on years of people serving me over-sweet sickly stuff that numbs my taste-buds and ruins the flavours of any other ingredients. A decent cheesecake has a good balance of sweet/tang/creaminess, plus the flavours of the "dominant" theme i.e. lemon, fruit, chocolate, etc. Imo. I could be wrong and it could be that my taste-buds are in a whole little world of their own.

I am longing to start discussing the "art of making perfect shortbread" but don't want to push the envelope too far. Shortbread seems to be a highly contentious issue based upon the recent "research" I have done. Don't ask.