Scientology in 2012: Mark Bunker and Mike Rinder

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Scientology in 2012: Mark Bunker and Mike Rinder Give Us a Preview of Enturbulation To Come

The new year has already started with a bombshell, but we wanted to get a longer view of how 2012 might turn out for Scientology watching. So we asked a couple of far-seeing church observers to give us their thoughts.

We have some fascinating prognostication from Mark Bunker, whose film Knowledge Report should be coming out this year. And from Mike Rinder, the former church spokesman with some thoughts on what sort of a year Scientology leader David Miscavige may experience. (And as a bonus, Bunker sent over the clip you see here of Rinder from the upcoming documentary!)

We asked Bunker for his 2012 plans, and Wise Beard Man was kind enough to send this reply...

I'm so looking forward to people getting a chance to see Knowledge Report. I expect to start showing a rough cut to people in the spring. I'd like to get some feedback from friends before taking it out for some test screenings but the main city I can't wait to show it in is Clearwater. So far online, I've been showing brief snippets from the raw interviews. Just a few minutes ago, I rounded them up and put them on a page at XENU TV.

There you can also see me being introduced to a crowd of independent Scientologists at a Free Zone convention in early December. I can hear the nervousness in my voice. I wasn't quite sure how they would react to me but it went well and I had an interesting time. I have never been audited on an e-meter before so I asked for a sample session which was taped for the movie. It will help me explain what the whole process is like. I've read a few comments from people who seem to think I'm about to attest to clear and soar up the bridge to OT VIII. That's not the case.

I still have filming to do on movie. There are some key interviews left to do. I'm waiting to hear back from David Miscavige. I have my fingers crossed. He hasn't done an on-camera interview since he spoke to Ted Koppel on Nightline back in 1992. I bet he's itching to talk to me. Here's part of what I wrote to him which can now be considered
an open letter:


Full article... http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/01/scientology_in_2.php

Comments

Vistaril 8 hours ago
At its core, Scientology is an on-going organised criminal conspiracy to defraud and has been since the day L Ron Hubbard said he used Dianetics to cure war injuries. Pretty much every thing that it has done since that day has been to protect the fraud from discovery, to silence those who know about it, and to ensure it continues. Accordingly, there are two absolutes when it comes to Scientology: it is never as it first appears to be and it is always worse than you think. This means its very difficult to make an accurate prediction as to what it is up to and what is likely to happen. My predictions are based on two assumptions: that there is indeed an FBI/IRS investigation underway (even though we only have the word of known liars that it is), and, Scientology management is aware that its existing model is no longer sustainable:

- David Miscavige will continue to call the shots in 2012 before eventually disappearing, most likely into a deep, unmarked grave or, if he's lucky, into a country without an extradition treaty with the United States

- several senior executives likely to be facing charges (hi Debbie) are going to begin speaking out in an effort to mitigate their crimes and so as to appear to have only recently found out about the situation and taken action to do something about bringing them to an end

- the existing structure of Scientology will splinter from a centrally-controlled monolith and begin a transition into a franchise operation with management taking a service role providing international and national promotion, government relations, data storage, supply-warehouse, internal and external security, property-management, inter-franchise dispute resolution, and guardianship of the original scriptures, etcetera, leaving the franchises (or "Missions) to get on with "delivery" of "services" to "parishioners"

- there will be a huge PR effort to polish the image of L Ron Hubbard, and to make it clear that Scientology has realised its mistakes, dealt with those few "bad apples" who were responsible, is suitably contrite, and promises to never do it again. Google details of the previous transition from the Guardians Office to Office of Special Affairs for the template

- the public will not be fooled

MarkStark 5 hours ago
If not Hubbard or Miscavige, who is the BEST example of a $cientologist? And why? How can you be "on Source" when the Source was all over the place? The Source wasn't on Source. Who is the best example for a believing cult member?

Tom Cruise? Hy Levy? Marty Rathbun? Mike Rinder? Marty Rathbun's wife Mosey?

I would say Tom Cruise. He's super wealthy, extremely successful, lives in a bubble, doesn't allow SPs near him, and he's not all that bright, and lacks a good education. See his video for the rest of why he is the best example of a $cientologist. He believes he's the only one who can help, and that you are in or you're out. If you are out, well, then you are out of the light for the next trillion years. You are a clueless wog. That's what $cientologists believe.

Tom Cruise is also the BEST example, because he doesn't have to sell $cientology every waking moment, as do Sea Org members.

Cruise also lies naturally, as a consequence of being a $cientologist, unlike Rinder, who was brought up in it, trained and paid to lie professionally, as well as being forced into it by being the spokesliar for the cult.

A $cientologist might say I'm missing the point, that the beauty of $cientology is, that it is what is true for you and helps an individual find that truth. It's more like trying to get up stairs drawn by Escher.

Maybe the REAL $cientologist is the one like Paul Haggis; one who wakes up and gets out. It's the final step on Dave Touretzky's outline for the steps in $cientology. It's the typical path of most people who get involved with it.

Synthia Elizabeth Fagen 5 hours ago in reply to MarkStark
What a great post!

When posting on the Ex-Scientology Message Board, I often try to find images that will adequately express that for which I cannot find the words.

On several occasions I have chosen various Escher pieces. They so aptly convey not only the experience one has while in the organization (though not so obvious then) but they especially communicate (at least for me) how it feels to later find out about the voluminous lies and the very creepy feeling one gets upon realization that one has been on a road to nowhere - a road built only by words, slick promo pieces (like the postcards in the Truman Show) and hypnotic, sleight of hand, magic tricks.

The Scientology experience contains so many layers, of Escher-type-staircase-creepiness, that the ex-Scientologist's mind cannot easily process all of it and thus is the reason, in my opinion, that we see so many still here and talking about it 20, 30, 40+ years later.

It is a [email protected]#k of epic proportions.

I can understand the fascination held by many of whom were never steeped in the crazy lore of this wicked illusion. I am forever grateful to those outsiders who, while peering through the masquerade, cared enough about me and others to get us to wake up.

My admiration for Tony Ortega grows every day. Thank you Tony.

Jefferson Hawkins 5 hours ago
Scientology has been collapsing for some years now, however, as long as they keep receiving millions from their hard-core members, they can maintain the illusion of "expansion" by buying up real estate, staging elaborate events, and insisting that they have "millions" of members and "thousands" of organizations. It's an empty shell. They cannot fill up their new "ideal" orgs. They cannot fill their new "Super Power" building in Clearwater. Their local organizations are insolvent, and are relying on bail-outs from their members to pay the monthly bills. When will it collapse? Hard to say, but when it goes, like all "bubbles," it will go fast. Debbie Cook's letter is significant because it targets the only thing that is propping up the cult empire - wealthy members who blindly donate millions.
 

Idle Morgue

Gold Meritorious Patron
there will be a huge PR effort to polish the image of L Ron Hubbard- DONE and FAILED and to make it clear that Scientology has realised its mistakes,I am not sure about that...too much blood on their hands and it is a twisted up ball of lies that NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO SORT IT OUT! It is DEATH for the Church of Crimonology! dealt with those few "bad apples" who were responsible, is suitably contrite, and promises to never do it again. Google details of the previous transition from the Guardians Office to Office of Special Affairs for the template
 
Polish the image of L Ron Hubbard?

There isn't enough lipstick on the planet to slap on that pig to make him look credible.

They still haven't come to terms with the reality that it's too late to try and sell Scientology as anything more than a source of entertainment in the form of an internet freak show.

Trying to make L. Ron Hubbard look credible is about as daunting of a challenge as trying to make Bumfights look like a MENSA conference
 

Veda

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The new breed of Scientologist is going to need to be someone who can watch a video such as this and not have the slightest urge to besmirch the "good name" or "image" of L. Ron Hubbard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cwT-nmpZJg&feature=related

And, right before our very eyes :ohmy: over at MartyWorld and in other places, including MiscavigeWorld, the "good name" and "image" of L. Ron Hubbard are of great importance.

Don't underestimate Scientology's Sneakiness and Manipulation Tech, or capacity to fight wars of attrition.

Some background:

"With all the chatter about L. Ron Hubbard's alleged shortcomings, it got me thinking about what the effect of the unprecedented ad hominem attacks against the man were. Hubbard was demonized by the cold war establishment perhaps more than any other civilian figure. One cumulative effect of it all was to one degree or another de-humanize him in the public eye. We see remnants of those effects to this day. Tony Ortega has even come to the conclusion that my mission - and the mission of many independents - is made hopeless by this historical landscape. The landscape is not easy to conceptualize given its long lived nature and Miscavige's daily efforts to make the myths a reality. Providing context to the entire picture is a long term project that I never lose sight of, but unfortunately I have not found the time to devote to it that it deserves."

Marty Rathbun, from his Blog, September 30, 2011


I assume that the Cold War establishment includes not only the USA Cold War establishment, but also the Cold War establishment of the, then, Soviet Union.

As far as I can decipher this at this time, this appears to be an attempt to compartmentalize the "besmirching of L. Ron Hubbard's good name" to a period concurrent with the Cold War (1946 -1991 or so). The USA establishment didn't change in the early 1990s, but the Russian establishment did with the fall of the Soviet Union.

How does this make sense? Or is it just another public opinion manipulation ploy?

As for the attempts to "de-humanize" Hubbard in the public mind, an early attempt is described by Hubbard in his confidential issue, "Intelligence Actions, Covert Intelligence Data Collection' of 2 December 1969. It describes events of 1950:

"The objective of the enemy is to discredit...

"Their first blast was the San Francisco papers, Sept. 1950, quoting the publisher (of Book One) Ceppos being critical of me (he was a communist) followed by the LA papers, pushed then by Sara Komkovadamanov (alias Northrup) 'divorce' actions, followed by attempted kidnapping of myself. Other details were pushed into it including murder of four and so on. This was a full complete covert operation. At the back of it was Miles Hollister (psychology student), Sara Komkovadamanov (housekeeper at the place nuclear physicists stayed near Cal Tech), Gene Benton and his wife - president of the Young Communists League...

"This was a full war against Dianetics..."

Note: all the above parentheses are from the original.

And regarding the same time period...

From a 1977 recorded message, 'Can we Ever Be Friends?':

"Possibly any trouble Dianetics or Scientology ever had began on May 9, 1950 when the U.S government, excited by the possibility of Hubbard's work, sought to force him into classified government service.

"In Washington, they told him they wanted him to work on projects to make people more suggestible. When he declined they threatened and, typically, he refused to bow.

"And the war between the government and Scientology was on."

There's another version of this from the 1978 edition of 'What is Scientology?'. It ends with:

"The government never forgave him for this and soon began vicious, covert international attacks on his work. "

The above two accounts, re. the U.S. government, were taken from a recorded lecture from the 1950s.



Marty's Factor #11:

"Miscavige has run a continuous propaganda campaign attempting to besmirch the good name of L. Ron Hubbard. He has continually given little interest or funds for defending public relations attacks on L. Ron Hubbard."

Marty&Mike and other Independent Scientologists are doing an, apparently, self-assigned PR action for the religion-angled, religion-cloaked, cult of Hubbard, which, ultimately, includes both the CofS Scientology and outside the CofS Scientology, a.k.a. "Greater Scientology."

"Greater Scientology" - currently having a very visible PR feud - has finally found an effective "button" to push with which to apply the following "LRH datum." That button is the "Church" of Scientology as run by David Miscavige:

"The objective is to be identified as attackers of popularly considered evils [Miscavige, and Miscavology, which is to be regarded as 'Reverse Scientology']. This declassifies us from former labels [Unpopular nutty cultists]..."

Confidential 'Black Propaganda' 12 January 1972


The corporate Hubbard cult, best known as the "Church of Scientology," isn't going to go away any time soon, however, Miscavige will eventually go away, one way or another. When that happens, the "Wogs" (so the idea goes) will have been softened up by the application of the above LRH Propaganda Tech "datum."

Time will tell. :)
 
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