Scientology is all bad

[Panda Termint]

No need to apologize. When you are right, you are right.


Mark A. Baker :angel:

Lol, glad to see your sense of humor is intact, Mark.

 

[onthepes]

Hi Alll. Maybe Panda might know this answer. If not I am happy for anyone to tell me (I'm answer hungry lol). Okay . I googled the Maiden Voyage 2012 events and could not find any info. No dates. No information. The best I could gather was that there was a new GAT (god LRH was Source once - and a dodgy one too). I used to help organize these events for 4 years. I hated them. Does anybody know or can they point me to the right forum that has all the info on this. If I don't know I might go into sad effect. So at this point I have nothing. This must be heavily guarded by COB and COS. I await.

 

[BardoThodol]

Well, thanks. But.....

I am not sure why you are concerned about the responses that Mark Baker gets to what he posts.

It seems to me that if he is getting responses he doesn't like he can do something about his posts. Or just continue soliciting that same kind of response.

I see that you wish that I would change how I post. Do you also wish Mark Baker would change how he posts? Or is there some reason that he has a free get-out-of-jail card despite his frequent caustic insinuations and nasty insults?

I never asked for anyone to change their posts.

If there is some rule I am breaking why isn't there some official moderation of what I am saying?

Or am I perilously close to going on vacation and this is an early warning system where I am being asked to come to my senses?

I don't get it. So my posts are sometimes edgy. So what? Are we living in some old people's retirement village where the kids are told to keep the music low and tuned into the classical station? If so, duuuuuude I am so in the wrong place.

I don't bother with 99% of the Scientologists who want to promote their tech here. I don't even post on threads that are notoriously tech-talk zones like the Apollo thread because I know I would derail their fun.

The only people (besides Baker) that I ever took exception to their tech-spew enough to bother posting responses to were Sneakster and Vinaire, who were both wackjobs. Yeah, that's probably ad hom and a violation, but I don't see any difference in calling a wackjob a wackjob any more than calling Hubbard a criminal con man. It's just what it is. And the great besmircher Marty is called some juicy things too, but nobody seems to care. And ESMB is a gold medal winner in the Ad Hom COB event, an achievement which they can rightly be proud of.

Yeah so Mark is an innocent poster and I am the one stirring up the problems, right?

Well, okay, proceed with the com ev then. Let's see how those facts check out.

It's really simple. If I need to be reported and moderated to stop what I am posting, then do it. If I am told that my posts are not fitting in with the model of ESMB any longer, I won't gripe. I still loved posting and hanging here before I wore out my welcome. We already know that I am not going to be told what to post, so I won't make a fuss if that's what it is.

Let's get it done whatever the verdict is. I don't like being unofficially moderated, it's a buzzkill. And I came to have fun, so whatever ya gotta do, just do it.

I read on Gadfly's thread concerning Moody Blues and Spirituality that you have the highest number of "likes."

Such high stats deserve Ka Kahn status--which the Commodore has duly awarded.

Of course, now, obviously, you are stealing attention from the Commodore, which is a suppressive act. Any actions which steal admiration from the Commodore are unethical. (you know put energy into a channel and remove all obstacles and distractions.)

Therefore, following your award of Ka Kahn status, you are to report to the chain locker where you will await off loading for Crimes Against The Commodore.

Ps: Yes you do ask people to change their posting style in your aggressive passive aggressive method of mockery. You were terribly mean to me...sniff, sniff...when I...sniff, sniff...began posting here.

I almost had to go to the emergency room for SSSS (Sudden Side Splitting Syndrome.)

Then the wife made me help clean the house because guests were coming so I was able to recover. Nothing like dusting to cure what ails you.

I for one can attest that it is possible to change one's posting style to better communicate. What works for one audience doesn't necessarily work for another.

 

[BardoThodol]

Maybe there's a bit of confusion over respect and politeness.

When I respect someone I hold them in high regard. The reason I usually hold someone in high regard is their willingness to be honest.

None of my close friends would think twice about telling me I was being an idiot over something. They aren't being disrespectful or mean, they're just asking me to take another look at my behavior.

Honesty.

For me, the highest tribute you can give someone is being honest.

Honesty is a gift.

A gift none of us is obligated to give.

 

[Gadfly]

I for one can attest that it is possible to change one's posting style to better communicate. What works for one audience doesn't necessarily work for another.

Personally, I become a different person with EACH person I am with because I pay attention to the OTHER END OF THE LINE, and I gear my conversations accordingly. I do not do so to "handle" them or anything. There is no trickery involved. Since I have a very LARGE base of experiences, viewpoints, education and realities to draw from, it is not difficult to find different things that I truly can have an interest in, and to discuss them with different people.

Stated in another way, each person brings out a slighlty different version of "me".

I notice that real morons and idiots constantly flaunt the SAME BEINGNESS. They are "who they are", and God help anyone if one should suggest they alter their RIGIDLY FIXED BEINGNESS. Granted, that covers more than just the morons and idiots . . . . .

I have noticed that bright aware people PAY ATTENTION to who and what is receiving the communication. And, they adjust and shape their communication accordingly. A bright person also adjusts method and manner of communciation when an audience changes.

But the real "solid" people just keep on "being themselves" no matter WHO they talk to or what context he or she might be in.

 

[BardoThodol]

I see it; you see it; others see it; but some can't see it.

Baker seems to be in the role of an unknowing pawn of some sort.

What's behind it, I can only guess.

It has nothing to do with Emma.

Probably the wisest course is to ignore Baker's posts as much as possible.

An unknowing pawn. Yikes! Such a mystery.

What is driving this poor sot?

OSA? CIA? Marcabians? The Reactive Mind?

Mayhaps, each of us is simply imperfect, subject to the bumfuckery of life.

All these unknown forces driving the universe, filtering down through humble little critters such as humans, making us all look a bit silly at times.

Sometimes, life just happens. Unintended consequences. No conspiracies involved. Two people both get up, decide to drive to work, meet in a head on collision while distracted. Neither planned to have that accident.

Unintended consequences.

Each of us has different levels of intelligence in a wide range of areas. We have successes and failures.

The other day I was texting a friend whose mother has Alzheimers. I made the comment that I hope someone puts a bullet in my head if I every get dementia, which upset my friend.

Wasn't my intention to upset her, just my stupidity.

Sometimes, we're just inadvertently clumsy. Even maddeningly and persistently so.

Without being puppets in some grand master conspiracy designed to manipulate and control us.

 

[BardoThodol]

Personally, I become a different person with EACH person I am with because I pay attention to the OTHER END OF THE LINE, and I gear my conversations accordingly. I do not do so to "handle" them or anything. There is no trickery involved. Since I have a very LARGE base of experience and realities to draw from, it is not difficult to find different things that I truly can have an interest in, and to discuss them with different people.

I notice that real morons and idiots constantly flaunt the SAME BEINGNESS. They are "who they are", and God help anyone if one should suggest they alter their RIGIDLY FIXED BEINGNESS. Granted, that covers more than just the morons and idiots . . . . .

I have noticed that bright aware people PAY ATTENTION to who and what is receiving the communication. And, they adjust and shape their communication accordingly. A bright person also adjusts method and manner of communciation when an audience changes.

But the real "solid" people just keep on "being themselves" no matter WHO they talk to or what context he or she might be in.

Yeah, I don't quite get this rigid determination to "be who I am!" As if each of us is this narrow bit of protoplasm without infinite range.

I see all of us as having unlimited possibility. We can all be so much.

So why settle on some narrow frame of reference?

It's like music. I know you have eclectic tastes and have a wide ranging interest in various styles. To me, rigidly "being myself" is like picking a couple of notes from one song and playing them over and over and over and over ad infinitum.

I suppose there's predictability and "security" in that, but...

 

[uncover]

Personally, I become a different person with EACH person I am with .....
.....
Stated in another way, each person brings out a slighlty different version of "me".
.....

You are in real danger - you should immediately contact the registrar at Flag so that he can help you to go up the bridge and get rid of all these body thetans pulled-in :wink2:

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Personally, I become a different person with EACH person I am with because I pay attention to the OTHER END OF THE LINE, and I gear my conversations accordingly. I do not do so to "handle" them or anything. There is no trickery involved. Since I have a very LARGE base of experiences, viewpoints, education and realities to draw from, it is not difficult to find different things that I truly can have an interest in, and to discuss them with different people.

Stated in another way, each person brings out a slighlty different version of "me".

I notice that real morons and idiots constantly flaunt the SAME BEINGNESS. They are "who they are", and God help anyone if one should suggest they alter their RIGIDLY FIXED BEINGNESS. Granted, that covers more than just the morons and idiots . . . . .

I have noticed that bright aware people PAY ATTENTION to who and what is receiving the communication. And, they adjust and shape their communication accordingly. A bright person also adjusts method and manner of communciation when an audience changes.

But the real "solid" people just keep on "being themselves" no matter WHO they talk to or what context he or she might be in.

Yeah but what I say makes no sense to me either.

WTF should I change ?

Oh and if I changed my name would I be different ?

 

[Gadfly]

You are in real danger - you should immediately contact the registrar at Flag so that he can help you to go up the bridge and get rid of all these body thetans pulled-in :wink2:

Thank-you for your concern!

But, if I did THAT, then I would have to become a TRUE ONE-TYPE, severly limited and rerstricted personality. I would have to become a "Scientologist".

And, all of my BTs (for as long as I had them - or they had me) would have to conform to being Scientologists too!!!

I would have to cease being happy and willing to flip-flop from viewpoint to viewpoint. I would have to cease any sort of doubt. I would be have to become 100% certain, and KNOW WHO I AM!!!! I would have to cease being namby-pamby, and I would have to acquire a "dedicated glare" in my eyes. I would also have to get a larger size boots (to walk with them BOOTS IN THE SKY).

But, I really don't want to slide back into any mentality where I attach my awareness to ANY convenient and overly-simplistic package of ideas and/or beliefs.

 

[Gadfly]

Oh and if I changed my name would I be different ?

No.

 

[Bill]

First, if what you were actually doing here on ESMB were of the nature of irony, native wit, and satire, that would be fine, but it isn't.

Now, maybe you intend it that way, but short phrases on a computer screen are a very poor medium for these things (unless composed in ways that make them obvious). So, if THAT is what THINK you are doing, you are failing miserably. If you actually have any concern or desire that your "native wit" and "irony" is seen and received as these things, then you might try better paying attention to "the other end of the comm line" - and notice that for the most part these things are NOT "duplicated on the receiving end".

And it is NOT the "fault" of the readers - as your last sentence implies.

<snip>

So very well analyzed and said. I was just going to say something rude to Mark but your response was so much better. I actually feel sorry for Mark ... :angel: ... :angel: ... :angel: ... no, actually not .

Bill

 

[Claire Swazey]

Oh, c'mon now. I think Mark does just fine. He's often facetious and can be snide in a learned erudite sort of way (that's not a poke at him, either. We all are a bit snide sometimes, right? Sometimes we find it's called for, IMO.). He does ok. But there're personality conflicts here between some of us. This may be part of the equation.

 

[Auditor's Toad]

No.

Dang it all to gosh heck & back.

I thought that would get me one them thar do over thingies :confused2:

 

[Auditor's Toad]

So very well analyzed and said. I was just going to say something rude to Mark but your response was so much better. I actually feel sorry for Mark ... :angel: ... :angel: ... :angel: ... no, actually not .

Bill

Oh, I like MAB. He provides me with a lot of humor. I poke some fun at him.
Most people who manage to stay on any chatboard get sort of a tough hide.

BTW, coming through scn wasn't what most people would call an activity for the thin skinned.

To my way of thinking most anybody around here does not need kid glove handling.

I did NOT say don't be nice, kind, tender, loving, caring - or harsh when it is appropriate ( in the eyes of the beholder, of course ).

 

[Smilla]

I think the current forum rules stand up well and are sufficient in themselves to keep things civilised. Any posts that go over the edge can be moderated, deleted if warranted, and posters can be warned or sent on holiday.

I'm all for vigorous debate and even argument, but I do draw the line at needlessly hurting someone's feelings, even if they are obviously pushing an opinion that's full of holes.

That's not to say that I've never slipped up and offended someone, because I know that I have, more than once. Sometimes people take offence just because they're easily offended. But sometimes we're clumsy or irritated, and cause offence for no good reason. Who's perfect?

I've been insulted and been on the receiving end of sexist abuse on this forum. Even been told I'm ugly. Maybe I am. But we move on. What else can we do?

More than one person has had a rough ride on this thread, but all appear to still be on their feet.

We are not made of glass.

So we are human and we blunder.

That's one way of learning. Maybe not the best way, but we work with what we have to work with.

That's my final comment on this thread.

Peace.

 

[Claire Swazey]

How could you be ugly? You look like Annie Lennox. Before that, you looked like a cute rag doll. You know, either way...

 

[Auditor's Toad]

I think the current forum rules stand up well and are sufficient in themselves to keep things civilised. Any posts that go over the edge can be moderated, deleted if warranted, and posters can be warned or sent on holiday.

I'm all for vigorous debate and even argument, but I do draw the line at needlessly hurting someone's feelings, even if they are obviously pushing an opinion that's full of holes.

That's not to say that I've never slipped up and offended someone, because I know that I have, more than once. Sometimes people take offence just because they're easily offended. But sometimes we're clumsy or irritated, and cause offence for no good reason. Who's perfect?

I've been insulted and been on the receiving end of sexist abuse on this forum. Even been told I'm ugly. Maybe I am. But we move on. What else can we do?

More than one person has had a rough ride on this thread, but all appear to still be on their feet.

We are not made of glass.

So we are human and we blunder.

That's one way of learning. Maybe not the best way, but we work with what we have to work with.

That's my final comment on this thread.

Peace.

Ugly ? You ? No!
Somebody needs a BIG can of Whup Ass opened on 'em for saying that!

You are beautiful !

 

[degraded being]

Oh, c'mon now. I think Mark does just fine. He's often facetious and can be snide in a learned erudite sort of way (that's not a poke at him, either. We all are a bit snide sometimes, right? Sometimes we find it's called for, IMO.). He does ok. But there're personality conflicts here between some of us. This may be part of the equation.

I agree. What I don't understand is how anyone could possible not know that....except if they were new to ESMB. :confused2:

 

[R2-45]

Hi Alll. Maybe Panda might know this answer. If not I am happy for anyone to tell me (I'm answer hungry lol). Okay . I googled the Maiden Voyage 2012 events and could not find any info. No dates. No information. The best I could gather was that there was a new GAT (god LRH was Source once - and a dodgy one too). I used to help organize these events for 4 years. I hated them. Does anybody know or can they point me to the right forum that has all the info on this. If I don't know I might go into sad effect. So at this point I have nothing. This must be heavily guarded by COB and COS. I await.

Seems like this question is getting a bit lost here.

Maybe start a new thread?