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Knows

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This was posted on Mike Rinder's Blog. Please get out of Scientology!! Look at the destruction to the individuals! Scientology is suppose to make the able more able. :omg::no::nervous::bigcry:
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TerrilPark says
January 6, 2014 at 3:57 pm
The author Michel left the SO in 2006.
MICHEL – CANCER AND SUICIDE ON SOLO NOTS
Hello! This thread is to answer Tommy Davis’s glibness.
I met Tommy during my second EPF in the Sea Org (actually a 2 months Boot Camp type of EPF), he was eating beans and rice every day, washing our clothes, doing the worst MEST work you can imagine, doing pumps up for hours…because he fucked up a “VIP” cycle.
At that time he wasn’t so proud to be a Sea Org Member, I can tell you.
Now, let’s talk about cancer and suicide on Solo Nots. Here are some data for you guys.
There is a tag status for each Solo Nots auditor:
Green tag: audit 4 to 6 sessions daily and comes on time for his 6 months check.
Grey tag: audit less than 4 sessions daily and doesn’t come on time for his 6 month check.
Orange tag: Not allowed to solo audit because of out ethics situation.
Purple tag: Not allowed to audit because of illness or sickness.
Black tag: Disaffected with the church.
See the way it works? One starts the level with a Green tag then, depending on his “ability to be Cause over Life” one keeps his Green tag or, follow the dwindling spiral to Black tag.
There are about 5,300 Solo Nots Auditors worldwide and about(depending on their current status):
1,000 Green tags
1,100 Grey tags
900 Orange tags
800 Purple tags
1,500 Black tags
The 10,000 on Solo Nots is just a dream. There is only 1,000 of them auditing regularly.
I was Solo Nots D of P Europe and i personally met the following Solo Nots Auditors. They were all with advanced cancer:
• Roberto B. – Italy
• Antonella B. – Italy
• Beppe G. – Italy
• Sonia B. – Italy
• Pierluigi G. – Italy
• Bernard C. – Switzerland
• Jo R. – Switzerland
• Tasa D. – France
• Helene M. – France
There is more, but I do not remember their names.
Before I blew the Sea Org in November 2006,two of them died of committed suicide; Jo R. and Beppe G.
I don’t know if the other ones are still alive.
The majority of the 800 Purple tags and 1,500 Black tags are with cancer, HIV, diabetes and non optimum physical conditions.
The majority of the 900 Orange tags committed financial irregularities to be able to “pay for services and/or donations” to the Cult.
Rex Fowler is a typical Orange tag product of the Cult.
You all know the PTS/SP tech “theory”, right?
How many of them had to disconnect from their family and friends because they where the ”SP”?
Why, after an entire bridge people are still sick, ill, criminal, commit suicide, etc..?
Maybe they didn’t find the real SP yet….. or, if they did, they invalidated the read.
At one point every body on Solo Nots had to do or re do the PTS/SP Course GAT.
And the SNR C/S FSO Richard Reiss (pushed by RTC, of course) was constantly harrassing the Solo Nots C/S “because they didn’t apply the PTS tech at 100%” during their C/Sing.
Well, a cancerous tumor is not detectable by a SN C/S as far as i know!
I can attest! Beppe G. had a cancerous tumor the size of an egg in his brain while at Flag to “Attest to OT7″! I went with him to the Clearwater Hospital. He was sent back to Italy right away by RTC….
Imagine the Flap if Beppe died in the middle of the Solo Nots HGC!
These data should be widely disseminated. It’ s not a joke. These guys are really in danger.
Michel.
PS: the medical associations should be aware of this data. Scientology technology doesn’t cure cancer….when a cancer isn’t detected on time, it’s too late. Unfortunalely, from a Scientologist view point, a doctor is considered a charlatan.
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love is the universal solvent…..splurge on it!!
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Knows

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I think it is a side effect of the "tech" to get hung up on citing the source. Who cares really - just look at these results!! Then - look around your Org at the people you know!! Scientology kills, bankrupts, disables and ruins people!! The proof is in the results of individuals and not in the shooped photos at events and made up stats by COB!!
 

Type4_PTS

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I think it is a side effect of the "tech" to get hung up on citing the source. Who cares really..."

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I believe it's just considered proper etiquette to cite the source of information one posts.

Plus it is helpful to any readers who might want to view the original source to ensure something wasn't improperly taken out of context.

And in this particular case, by citing the source it would have led readers to many additional postings by Michel, all of which are worth reading imo. And I'm sure there are some readers of Marty's blog who would be interested.
 

Knows

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I hear you PTS Type 4 - and agree - it is the way it was presented....I have an "earlier similar" on reprimanding that type of thing. You know - verbal tech and SP's speak in generalities....:blush:
 

Type4_PTS

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I hear you PTS Type 4 - and agree - it is the way it was presented....I have an "earlier similar" on reprimanding that type of thing. You know - verbal tech and SP's speak in generalities....:blush:


When saying that "SP's speak in generalities", isn't THAT a generality? :biggrin:
 

Knows

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Heh - I didn't write the TECH - I just bought it and am now trying to get rid of it! LOL:biggrin: Let's not let this thread get derailed with Tubby's tech and the side effects of it! Scientology is dangerous - lurker's please leave the Church of Scientology for your own well-being before it is too late!
 

Type4_PTS

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Heh - I didn't write the TECH - I just bought it and am now trying to get rid of it! LOL:biggrin: Let's not let this thread get derailed with Tubby's tech and the side effects of it! Scientology is dangerous - lurker's please leave the Church of Scientology for your own well-being before it is too late!


I think what is MOST dangerous about Scientology is that even a person who is skeptical can approach it and be manipulated with mind control techniques while being totally unaware of what is really going on.

We've only just scratched the surface imo of exposing the manipulative techniques that Hubbard used.

Speaking of which, I listened for the first time the other day to the interview of former ED INT, Bill Franks. He related an interesting conversation that he had had with Margaret Singer. She believed that Hubbard had developed more powerful brainwashing techniques than the Communist Chinese had come up with and used against Americans around the time of the Korean War.

(He talks about that in the segment beginning around 38:45 of this video)

[video=youtube;i2r2Nd6OJT4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2r2Nd6OJT4[/video]


EDIT: Also, Arnie Lerma met with Margaret Singer as well and related his experience over in this thread:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?26868-Cults-in-our-Midst-Margaret-Thaler-Singer
 
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Knows

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Spot on PTS Type 4! I saw a guy drive 500 miles to get his girlfriend out of the cult - she was very young and had just joined staff. She moved to the City cuz Mom and Dad were in the cult and had moved to the area so they could be near an Org. He told me - "I came down because I was afraid my GF was getting sucked into a cult". Yep - you got it...he joined staff and the whole fam-damily is still in drinking the kool-aide hard!! I think PTS TYPE 4 nailed it - Hubbard came up with some of the most genius forms of mind control and it is very dangerous. I still can't believe how I got sucked in so deep....:duh:~ It is embarrassing, humbling and humiliating all at once when one finally sees the truth about Scientology!! For those that are in and in doubt - step out for a while (tell them you are not interested) ...stay away...and then start to LOOK - so you can see for yourself what Scientology IS and ISN'T. I witnessed most people's dynamics getting SMASHED in Scientology. :yes: If you are broke, bankrupt, messed up and confused - just leave and don't go back. Then wait a while - then LOOK....see if you can spot anything about Scientology that just does not make sense! See it for yourself w/o any influence. If you have the tech to confront and shatter suppression, then do it for petesake! We are here because we don't want anyone else to get hurt. Scientology stops us from freely speaking to you - lurkers - so please take a peek behind the curtain!! OSA - aren't you exhausted from all the fighting and covert operations? Is this why you got into Scientology? There is a wonderful life out here - step into life and leave the cult behind!! :grouphug:
 
Spot on PTS Type 4! I saw a guy drive 500 miles to get his girlfriend out of the cult - she was very young and had just joined staff. She moved to the City cuz Mom and Dad were in the cult and had moved to the area so they could be near an Org. He told me - "I came down because I was afraid my GF was getting sucked into a cult". Yep - you got it...he joined staff and the whole fam-damily is still in drinking the kool-aide hard!! I think PTS TYPE 4 nailed it - Hubbard came up with some of the most genius forms of mind control and it is very dangerous. I still can't believe how I got sucked in so deep....:duh:~ It is embarrassing, humbling and humiliating all at once when one finally sees the truth about Scientology!! For those that are in and in doubt - step out for a while (tell them you are not interested) ...stay away...and then start to LOOK - so you can see for yourself what Scientology IS and ISN'T. I witnessed most people's dynamics getting SMASHED in Scientology. :yes: If you are broke, bankrupt, messed up and confused - just leave and don't go back. Then wait a while - then LOOK....see if you can spot anything about Scientology that just does not make sense! See it for yourself w/o any influence. If you have the tech to confront and shatter suppression, then do it for petesake! We are here because we don't want anyone else to get hurt. Scientology stops us from freely speaking to you - lurkers - so please take a peek behind the curtain!! OSA - aren't you exhausted from all the fighting and covert operations? Is this why you got into Scientology? There is a wonderful life out here - step into life and leave the cult behind!! :grouphug:

i don't know as the manipulative aspects are that strong a factor with getting people in to begin with. certainly they were not with me. i just saw it as a hard sell which put me off. i got into it because i looked at what it is and liked it. what i liked then i still like forty years after walking away from staff at fcdc.

you speak of "the truth about scientology" and CoS speaks of "the truth about scientology" and neither wants to pay much heed to what i think, say or do...
 

Outethicsofficer

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Spot on PTS Type 4! I saw a guy drive 500 miles to get his girlfriend out of the cult - she was very young and had just joined staff. She moved to the City cuz Mom and Dad were in the cult and had moved to the area so they could be near an Org. He told me - "I came down because I was afraid my GF was getting sucked into a cult". Yep - you got it...he joined staff and the whole fam-damily is still in drinking the kool-aide hard!! I think PTS TYPE 4 nailed it - Hubbard came up with some of the most genius forms of mind control and it is very dangerous. I still can't believe how I got sucked in so deep....:duh:~ It is embarrassing, humbling and humiliating all at once when one finally sees the truth about Scientology!! For those that are in and in doubt - step out for a while (tell them you are not interested) ...stay away...and then start to LOOK - so you can see for yourself what Scientology IS and ISN'T. I witnessed most people's dynamics getting SMASHED in Scientology. :yes: If you are broke, bankrupt, messed up and confused - just leave and don't go back. Then wait a while - then LOOK....see if you can spot anything about Scientology that just does not make sense! See it for yourself w/o any influence. If you have the tech to confront and shatter suppression, then do it for petesake! We are here because we don't want anyone else to get hurt. Scientology stops us from freely speaking to you - lurkers - so please take a peek behind the curtain!! OSA - aren't you exhausted from all the fighting and covert operations? Is this why you got into Scientology? There is a wonderful life out here - step into life and leave the cult behind!! :grouphug:


There's some great advice in the post above to anyone lurking and still involved with the C of S...We got out in 2009 and everyday since I thank my lucky stars and my wife for finally reaching her end point with the tech and all that came with it. She is my heroine. Stepping out and away then looking at it without it's interference is a wise thing to do. Don't let them interfere with you...disconnect from them as much as is possible.

Life is great...outside!
 

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i don't know as the manipulative aspects are that strong a factor with getting people in to begin with. certainly they were not with me. i just saw it as a hard sell which put me off. i got into it because i looked at what it is and liked it. what i liked then i still like forty years after walking away from staff at fcdc.

you speak of "the truth about scientology" and CoS speaks of "the truth about scientology" and neither wants to pay much heed to what i think, say or do...

Chuck Beatty wrote this, and I believe it is the best explanation so far that I have ever read:

"Scientology isn't open about Scientology's high volume exorcism solutions that Hubbard claims are superior to psych techniques and drugs, but the truth behind the scenes is Hubbard/Scientology alternative to handling humankind's ultimate problem, is past life trauma elimination and high volume exorcism of dead space alien souls that infest all humankind and leak their dead alien soul Xenu implanted false ideas into all our brains."

:omg:
 

Terril park

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Probably best I posted a link. Didn't think.
However the data is out there yet again. I've
posted this link at several places.
 

Gib

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Chuck Beatty wrote this, and I believe it is the best explanation so far that I have ever read:

"Scientology isn't open about Scientology's high volume exorcism solutions that Hubbard claims are superior to psych techniques and drugs, but the truth behind the scenes is Hubbard/Scientology alternative to handling humankind's ultimate problem, is past life trauma elimination and high volume exorcism of dead space alien souls that infest all humankind and leak their dead alien soul Xenu implanted false ideas into all our brains."

:omg:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...E-ON-SOLO-NOTS&p=386191&viewfull=1#post386191

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First of all a belated welcome to you Michel - it is great to have you here ! I was on OTVII from 1996 till 2007 when I comped :duh:

I might of seen you when you first went on post as a D of P as there were two years between my last two visits.

My D of P's were usually great folk and I understood that it was a pretty hard post.

Anyway this information you have provided is very valuable and I think it should be known loudly and clearly how many OTVII's were/are having serious trouble.

I know that both Kev and I found, after several years, that OTVII was very introverting. You go into session 3 to 6 times a day always "looking in" or close to your body. You are constantly looking for "outpoints", things "to get rid" of, things "to handle".

If something good is happening in your life, then you validate the TECH. If something is less than perfect, it is always because you are not applying the tech correctly or because of some influence from a BT that you have failed as yet to handle.

Whenever you go into session you have to handle every out rud from between sessions. You have to handle every critical thought and pull your overts and witholds ...so you are looking for what you or some BT did wrong.

All this constant introversion is not good. Constant focus on negative influences, bad thoughts, unwanted pains and even imagined causes of these. Doing this daily, many times a day, year after year. Along with the pressure to perform in an "OT" manner - donating to all Scn causes, paying for the level, doing your participation for OT eligibilty, being on course, working hard enough to earn enough money, juggling your family commitments, FSMing and then eating enough stuff to be sessionable 3 to 6 times a day - with no time to exercise or even have leisure time ...the guilt you suppress because infact you are no where near the level of ability that you expected ( err... what you were told / sold ) as an "OT" on this all powerful level ... all of this is enough to make anyone sick !!!

Since departing the C of S bubble - I am amazed at how many self help and spiritual enlightment books consider the road to greater self / spiritual improvement and health, is just simply focusing on the positive things in life, putting attention on the now ( rather than the past which OTVII is obsessed with ), imagining what YOU want and creating it ( not handling or getting rid of stuff ) and hey ... they cost less than $ 30 !!!

Another thing ... OT VII is delivered with such seriousness and with so much pretense of exactness and accuracy by people who look so dedicated, important and all knowing - the average solo nots auditor is also in constant fear of fucking up ! It is hard to shatter all of that illusion and realise that its all been a crock of S*#t.:omg:

What were we thinking !!! :duh:


 

Terril park

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When saying that "SP's speak in generalities", isn't THAT a generality? :biggrin:

Yes,no, maybe. [see Risky Business]:coolwink: I think the scene on the stairs?

The whole concept is flawed in that the definition of an SP is seriously flawed in the first instance.

Anti scn = anti social personality?

eg protest re disconnection = anti social?
 

Gib

Crusader
Yes,no, maybe. [see Risky Business]:coolwink: I think the scene on the stairs?

The whole concept is flawed in that the definition of an SP is seriously flawed in the first instance.

Anti scn = anti social personality?

eg protest re disconnection = anti social?

no, the concept is not flawed. It's perfect for entrapping people into scientology and keeping them there.
 
Chuck Beatty wrote this, and I believe it is the best explanation so far that I have ever read:

"Scientology isn't open about Scientology's high volume exorcism solutions that Hubbard claims are superior to psych techniques and drugs, but the truth behind the scenes is Hubbard/Scientology alternative to handling humankind's ultimate problem, is past life trauma elimination and high volume exorcism of dead space alien souls that infest all humankind and leak their dead alien soul Xenu implanted false ideas into all our brains."

:omg:

well, yeah...

Co$ suxxx...

but it's good material is often very, very good indeed and in fact does have it all the psychs...

history of man is among the strangest books ever written but SOS, though flawed, is the finest basic handbook of human psychology ever publshed
 
jay-ziss, knows, it looks like a pretty straightforward post

what's not to understand?

you were in...

would you tell me when and for how long?
 
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