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Innominate Dude

No Longer Around
"... Margaret Singer. She believed that Hubbard had developed more powerful brainwashing techniques than the Communist Chinese had come up with and used against Americans around the time of the Korean War."

As to Margaret Singer

Singer wanted to be employed, and to seem important in other people's eyes, so she pretended there was some super-powerful super-secret super-sophisticated technology that only people like her could help protect against.

She was a swiz in her own right, a con artist just like Hubbard was, an academic PT Barnum. :duh:


As to Hubbard's technique

It's called "hope". It's ancient, the Apostle Paul of Christianity pointing out "you are the prisoners of hope" and having people eagerly accept this role for thousands of years, right up to today. :eyeroll:

Hope of something better engages the mind and effort in ways that settling for limited expectations and uncertainty does not. There's no big mystery here to worry worry worry over, :nervous::nervous::nervous: as if LRH had discovered the psychological equivalent of atomic weapons. Hope is powerful, and can be instilled by story telling methods. It's ancient.

And he sure didn't have any big oogey-boogy power when the vast majority of people do one or two Scientology actions then leave permanently, and only a narrow percentage eagerly pursue it to the punchline of the joke.
 
As to Margaret Singer

Singer wanted to be employed, and to seem important in other people's eyes, so she pretended there was some super-powerful super-secret super-sophisticated technology that only people like her could help protect against.

She was a swiz in her own right, a con artist just like Hubbard was, an academic PT Barnum. :duh:


As to Hubbard's technique

It's called "hope". It's ancient, the Apostle Paul of Christianity pointing out "you are the prisoners of hope" and having people eagerly accept this role for thousands of years, right up to today. :eyeroll:

Hope of something better engages the mind and effort in ways that settling for limited expectations and uncertainty does not. There's no big mystery here to worry worry worry over, :nervous::nervous::nervous: as if LRH had discovered the psychological equivalent of atomic weapons. Hope is powerful, and can be instilled by story telling methods. It's ancient.

And he sure didn't have any big oogey-boogy power when the vast majority of people do one or two Scientology actions then leave permanently, and only a narrow percentage eagerly pursue it to the punchline of the joke.

if you have broken leg you can hope it gets better but if a competent sawbones sets it the bone knits well

the tech CAN be used to produce real result

scripture can as well but preachers are inclined to peddle hope. it's because they aren't real bright about what can actually be done
 

Churchill

Gold Meritorious Patron
Scientology, at it's essence is a combination of Crazy glue + Mindfuck that is unbelievably dangerous.

One need look no further than this thread to see the pathetically deluded minds contorting themselves in an attempt to justify

Hubbards evil Orwellian construct as possessing some redeeming social value.

Scientology is as socially redemptive as Plutonium washed ashore a pristine beach.

Years later, the damage is still there...
 

is it true AC?

we're people who left

now i left when i left and actually i would have preferred to stay longer. many people spend time there and just leave when they leave and many of these, like myself, say they would have stayed if it wasn't for crap that was going on...

okay...

some people remain trapped long after they are derailed from getting something out of it and these most often are either sea org or the people born into it

still they DO leave

the cultlike factors of it may bind for a while but they don't really trap people. imho, ultimately these factors do much to tear it than to hold it together
 

Reasonable

Silver Meritorious Patron
I don't think Scientology causes cancer or cures it. It doesn't really do anything.

You can't claim that anything causes or cures anything unless you have a controlled study which included comparing those results to a control group.

Scientologists don't do this and neither do anti-scientologists.

I shouldn't say that Scientology doesn't do anything. A more accurate statement is that no one has ever really measured what Scientology may or may not do.

Scientology results are simply subjective
 

Anonycat

Crusader
is it true AC?

we're people who left

now i left when i left and actually i would have preferred to stay longer. many people spend time there and just leave when they leave and many of these, like myself, say they would have stayed if it wasn't for crap that was going on...

okay...

some people remain trapped long after they are derailed from getting something out of it and these most often are either sea org or the people born into it

still they DO leave

the cultlike factors of it may bind for a while but they don't really trap people. imho, ultimately these factors do much to tear it than to hold it together

Yeah, we did that stuff around the same year. No one I knew then wanted to stay when they left. The large portion left after the Comm Course. The few who went onto staff were of course another story. There was an exodus when the Missions got shut down, and there is no survey for either of us to refer to, in discussing how staff felt about various issues, or their desire for scientology to not suck, or what have you. It's speculation, and I avoid speculating on issues like that. Anon Lover did a survey, which is the only one I've ever known of.

I don't know anyone from then who is in - the last few left in the 1980's and of everyone I ever knew who tried scientology, NONE of them use it, practice it, believe in it, or respect it.
 
As to Margaret Singer

Singer wanted to be employed, and to seem important in other people's eyes, so she pretended there was some super-powerful super-secret super-sophisticated technology that only people like her could help protect against.

She was a swiz in her own right, a con artist just like Hubbard was, an academic PT Barnum. :duh:


As to Hubbard's technique

It's called "hope". It's ancient, the Apostle Paul of Christianity pointing out "you are the prisoners of hope" and having people eagerly accept this role for thousands of years, right up to today. :eyeroll:

Hope of something better engages the mind and effort in ways that settling for limited expectations and uncertainty does not. There's no big mystery here to worry worry worry over, :nervous::nervous::nervous: as if LRH had discovered the psychological equivalent of atomic weapons. Hope is powerful, and can be instilled by story telling methods. It's ancient.

And he sure didn't have any big oogey-boogy power when the vast majority of people do one or two Scientology actions then leave permanently, and only a narrow percentage eagerly pursue it to the punchline of the joke.

When never ins, ask "Why did you stay" (putting up with bad treatment, being asked to believe in space opera etc), I have sometimes thought that really, it boils down to hope. I did not stick around for decades myself but probably would have gotten that trapped if I could have afforded to pay for the trap. I intended to go back when I could afford the trap. Anyway, for those that did stay for decades, it does seem like hope, that keeps there there. That's the simplicity of it.

Beyond that, there is the fact that the hope has been strengthened by 'proof' that hope will be statisfied. People do get benefits IMO. Serious questioning needs to be done about the nature of the benefits and whether a "win" from a session is of more value that the "win" from a cup of coffee or whatever, but the point is the "wins" "prove" that hope is justified and hope(s) will be met with real benefits. It seems from reading what "higher level" ex scientology achievers have said, that as they get higher and higher up the "bridge" they rely more and more on hope, as what is demanded of them vs what benefits they get or can conjure up with rationalization, self deception, self censorship etc becomes more extreme.

To say it was only hope would probably seem too simplistic for the "OTs"
especially since "certainty" and "knowingness" etc were implanted so heavily, and those things would mean it wasn't really 'hope' at all, but thinking that things would get better after they finish this rundown or that rundown would become more and more a matter of hope as they failed to achieve what they wanted. However, in a sense hope might not be so simplistic as the simple little thing used by Huhbbid.
Some of the hope that could be satisfied at Hubbards Hope Candy Store.
I was hoping I could gain the ability to leave my body and perceive things while outside my body.
I was hoping to experience myself as immortal.
I was hoping to overcome x y z ......(fill in any of 1 million things you would like to do without.
I was hoping I could get rich.
I was hoping to gain total freedom ---of course there are unspoken aspects here: Total freedom from suffering, pain, death, physical restrictions.
 
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