Scientology leader’s father signs a book deal, for ' RUTHLESS' (IF HE DIES, HE DIES)

[Leland]

Re: Scientology leader’s father signs a book deal, for ' RUTHLESS' (IF HE DIES, HE DI

What did she mean about by a, 'literary forgery?'

Forgery usually means selling something that isn't genuine, but a book?

IMO the statement is just a snarky swipe.

A book can be "literary"....in other words....a bit of good "word smithing"....well crafted....well written...

So...a "literary forgery" .....would be a fake ....an attempt at a well written book....a book that didn't make the grade.

I suppose the statement could have other meanings as well...

 

[Churchill]

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. . .
A few teaser quotes* from the first chapters
of the book to give you a flavor of the writing:

“. . . today he sits atop a multibillion-dollar church that is controversial, litigious, secretive,
manipulative, coercive and, in my mind, evil. Yes, I firmly believe that Scientology has morphed
into an immoral organization that hides a long list of abuses behind First Amendment protections.”


“. . . today, I am sad to say, is primarily a coercive organization. I have watched this
transformation over more than forty years. David runs Scientology with an iron fist and,
to my mind, it has become a cult, pure and simple.”


“Say what you will about Hubbard or Scientology through the years, but a Scientologist
from the 1950s or ’60s, ’70s or even the ’80s would not recognize the subject and its
organizations today under David.”


​

“During my last twelve years working for the organization, I never got a liberty,
not a single day off.”
​

*Fair use

Those who were privy to the inner workings of Scientology in the 60's know full well that it was a manipulative, coercive and evil organization back then.

But most were unaware; the shroud of secrecy was more intact back then.

To me, the story of Scientology is about idealistic, good people who unwittingly join an evil organization, and who, over time, become the functional equivalent of Nazi's (or Islamists, if you prefer).

That is what I experienced.

Some never leave, while others do.

Recognizing the enormity of Scientologys betrayal is a very painful and difficult, but ultimately incredibly cathartic experience.

I wish all those who decide to de-construct Scientologys mindfuck a safe and fulfilling journey.

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

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Someone commented that Dan Harris was asking Monique hard questions, and if so, why did he let her evade issues? For example, he asks her about how David is feeling about the book, and her response is that she imagines he bla bla. Why didn't Dan, follow up with, a question like - did you discuss this with David? All you are responding with is an opinion. How does he feel?

Or am I daft, and by showing her evasive answer, the follow up question is not needed? He leaves it us to interpret the veracity her responses, and that makes for "hard" questions?

I felt the same way with Ray Jeffery's depos of the SO exec's - he didn't follow up on obvious lies. Do they expect us to decipher the lies without them digging further? Am I missing something? (other than a brain?)

Mimsey

 

[prosecco]

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Someone commented that Dan Harris was asking Monique hard questions, and if so, why did he let her evade issues? For example, he asks her about how David is feeling about the book, and her response is that she imagines he bla bla. Why didn't Dan, follow up with, a question like - did you discuss this with David? All you are responding with is an opinion. How does he feel?

Or am I daft, and by showing her evasive answer, the follow up question is not needed? He leaves it us to interpret the veracity her responses, and that makes for "hard" questions?

I felt the same way with Ray Jeffery's depos of the SO exec's - he didn't follow up on obvious lies. Do they expect us to decipher the lies without them digging further? Am I missing something? (other than a brain?)

Mimsey

I think it's simply due to the fact that 20/20 is 'soft' journalism, similar to a magazine albeit on television, so one doesn't get the investigating journalism like Bernstein/Woodward or whoever is hard core investigative types.

 

[failboat]

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Tonight ~~ extended show of 20/20 on Nightline on ABC. Nationwide show.. .​

Here's video from the ABC Nightline episode that aired last night, featuring some new looks at some of the interviews from 20/20, repackaged content, and new approach angles to some of the various issues.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/vid...-miscaviges-father-relationship-part-38781791

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/ron-miscavige-scientology-tore-family-part-38781840

Full episode will be available here in a week, or sooner if you sign in with your cable provider (I think? I am watching it now and I just clicked a provider randomly ) - http://abc.go.com/shows/nightline/episode-guide/2016-04/29-nightline-042916-scientology-leader-david-miscaviges-father-on-their-relationship

 

[Orglodyte 2]

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Here's video from the ABC Nightline episode that aired last night, featuring some new looks at some of the interviews from 20/20, repackaged content, and new approach angles to some of the various issues.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/vid...-miscaviges-father-relationship-part-38781791

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/ron-miscavige-scientology-tore-family-part-38781840

Full episode will be available here in a week, or sooner if you sign in with your cable provider (I think? I am watching it now and I just clicked a provider randomly ) - http://abc.go.com/shows/nightline/episode-guide/2016-04/29-nightline-042916-scientology-leader-david-miscaviges-father-on-their-relationship

There has been a lot of talk over the past few years about the reluctance of ABC (US) to take on Scientology. No more. Go ABC!

 

[Gizmo]

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Monique Yingling was just so far beyond awful as a spokeshole.

The rapid blinks & stuff going on with her eyes was just appalling for a person who is trying to represent in a favorable way.

Her answers were evasive & for those of who have had some experience with the cult know she was lying, but, to all others it had to be obvious by her mannerisms she was lying.

Senior didn't exactly come off as Mr. Wonderful. Looks like the leader just ramped up his fathers admitted abusive behavior.

Why didn't the question get asked if there was a "miracle" of handling the asthma on the 9 year old davie " Is it still handled ? never came back " ?

No explanation asked for as to why a church would spend $10,000 a week to follow the father of the cult leader ?

 

[pineapple]

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What did she mean about by a, 'literary forgery?'

Forgery usually means selling something that isn't genuine, but a book?

"Literary forgery" is a pretty common term. Leland has it pretty much right. Here's more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literary_forgery

 

[JustSheila]

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Someone commented that Dan Harris was asking Monique hard questions, and if so, why did he let her evade issues? For example, he asks her about how David is feeling about the book, and her response is that she imagines he bla bla. Why didn't Dan, follow up with, a question like - did you discuss this with David? All you are responding with is an opinion. How does he feel?

Or am I daft, and by showing her evasive answer, the follow up question is not needed? He leaves it us to interpret the veracity her responses, and that makes for "hard" questions?

I felt the same way with Ray Jeffery's depos of the SO exec's - he didn't follow up on obvious lies. Do they expect us to decipher the lies without them digging further? Am I missing something? (other than a brain?)

Mimsey

ABC takes a 'soft' direction, letting the viewer come to his/her conclusion, but leading a bit, too. With more intelligent viewers, mild innuendo and coming to their own conclusions sticks a bit better.
Yinling really came off as an incompassionate, lying, greedy lawyer. COS came off as a mental therapy masquerading as a 'church' but actually an abusive business willing to spend any amount of money on lawyers or PIs to keep people in line. The overall theme was about families and that COS does not support families, but breaks them up. Ron didn't come off that well, but he came off as honest, whereas Yinling came off as a cunning lawyer hiding abuses. Ron came off as compassionate, but having made mistakes as a father that were magnified in his son.

The interviews looked like so much PR and brainwashing - it led one to believe you couldn't trust anything a scn said because they'd say anything or do anything for their 'church.'

ABC did great, believe me. Just ask any never-in who saw the program what they thought.

 

[Little David]

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.......

There was NO mention....unless I missed it... of Shelly M. Seems the media, or at least ABC, just don't care about her.

..........

No they didn't, they didn't even identify her as his wife when they displayed a photo with Shelly standing next to David with her arm around him.

 

[oneonewasaracecar]

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What did she mean about by a, 'literary forgery?'

Forgery usually means selling something that isn't genuine, but a book?

To call it a forgery means it is a very close copy of a true original.

It's not quite a confession, but it's pretty close.

 

[Jump]

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To call it a forgery means it is a very close copy of a true original.

It's not quite a confession, but it's pretty close.

Remember that controversy about the book "The Hand That Signed the Paper"?

It was presented as a true story by Helen Demadenko about her life in some historical Eastern European saga of degradation and betrayal within the Holocaust. It won a prestigious Vogel Literary Award

It was later found to be a made up story by Hellen Darville and the award was revoked. It was branded a literary forgery and a hoax.

Co$ are trying to get the idea that Ron's book is some kind of hoax. Trouble is, it's his own story. He was there. Co$ stupid attempt fails.

 

[lotus]

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Isn't like saying it's pure fiction ??????

 

[Terril park]

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Well said, Lotus.

Dan Koon is a decent guy, but he was a PR person, a Div 6 tours person, a reg... he didn't personally experience the horrors so many staff and public went through in the 70s and 80s. Nor did Ron Miscavige.

All the above maybe true. However he was primarily a top tech
person. He also authored or compiled checksheets for the FZ.
One may google more.


http://www.mikerindersblog.org/superpower-the-facts/

 

[oneonewasaracecar]

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Someone commented that Dan Harris was asking Monique hard questions, and if so, why did he let her evade issues? For example, he asks her about how David is feeling about the book, and her response is that she imagines he bla bla. Why didn't Dan, follow up with, a question like - did you discuss this with David? All you are responding with is an opinion. How does he feel?

Or am I daft, and by showing her evasive answer, the follow up question is not needed? He leaves it us to interpret the veracity her responses, and that makes for "hard" questions?

I felt the same way with Ray Jeffery's depos of the SO exec's - he didn't follow up on obvious lies. Do they expect us to decipher the lies without them digging further? Am I missing something? (other than a brain?)

Mimsey

He asked a few tough questions about disconnection, but he left many questions unanswered.

One of the reasons for this is that they were more interested in focusing the story on disconnection. A narrower focus on a short piece allows them to go more into depth.

Another reason is that if a news show develops a reputation for asking really tough questions, they never get any interviews. On the other hand, if they never ask any tough questions, the viewers think they are gutless. It's a double edged sword. Enduring shows always play somewhere in the middle.

 

[oneonewasaracecar]

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It was a terrific broadcast.

Leah Remini was outstanding, so warm and gets straight to the point. Her clear voice and simple, concise statements brought it all home.

Monique Yingling comes across as one who believes any amount of abuse is acceptable to anyone dumb enough to sign a billion year contract. The constant eyeblinking and weird facial tan dye was annoying. Her face is hard and cruel. Like a lawyer version of Cruella DeVille.

Generally I think the public would view the show as a father who was once abusive raised a son who became an absolute monster. Although many years ago Ron softened up and changed his ways, David only became more ruthless.

It is very sad, and the show points out the pain and destruction of scn's disconnection and breaking apart families very well.

ABC did a great job. Cute they mentioned how scn abused their reporters at the Atlanta opening, lol.

This interview is incredibly damning. You are right about the public perception of an abusive father who raised a monster of a son.

What I read into that was that he was abusive, but his son wasn't abusive until recently. However, if you read between the lines, he got into fights as a child but he was still lovable. An abusive father wouldn't be as concerned about a son who was violent at school.

I read that David Miscavige was raised in a bullying environment and was a bully from a young age, and his father was oblivious until he was a victim.

I also think the move by Lisa Marie Presley was brilliant. The story of the private detectives with their own private armory has now been aired twice and now is put into context and given a very human face. Remind me never to piss of Leah Remini or Lisa Marie Presley.

It's worth noting how much ground has been made. On the topic of disconnection, we have a full admission that it exists and it is a church policy. This is unprecedented. Tommy Davis has initially been very vague when he acknowledged it existed on ABC Australia and said only that it had been misrepresented.

I guess we can also now see why the David Miscavige interviews came out. There are now hundreds of testimonials that were sent to the media.

 

[Jump]

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Isn't like saying it's pure fiction ??????

Exactly. It is saying it is all lies with a dog-whistle. But it actually draws more attention to the book.
I hope the sales are good

 

[Gib]

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Monique Yingling was just so far beyond awful as a spokeshole.

The rapid blinks & stuff going on with her eyes was just appalling for a person who is trying to represent in a favorable way.

Her answers were evasive & for those of who have had some experience with the cult know she was lying, but, to all others it had to be obvious by her mannerisms she was lying.

Senior didn't exactly come off as Mr. Wonderful. Looks like the leader just ramped up his fathers admitted abusive behavior.

Why didn't the question get asked if there was a "miracle" of handling the asthma on the 9 year old davie " Is it still handled ? never came back " ?

No explanation asked for as to why a church would spend $10,000 a week to follow the father of the cult leader ?

and for 18 months, that's $720,000 paid to PI's from a law firm. What did the law firm make on the deal? What was the lawfirms mark-up? These are questions the media should ask.

HEADLINE.

Church of Scientology pays it's Lawyers, consequently, PI's get paid $720,000 over 18 months to follow Dad.

 

[Reasonable]

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I also think the move by Lisa Marie Presley was brilliant. ......

What was this move? I know all about Remeny but nothing about Presley. Did she make a public defection?

 

[oneonewasaracecar]

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What was this move? I know all about Remeny but nothing about Presley. Did she make a public defection?

She has been working behind the scenes. She engineered the release of the audiotapes with the 'if he dies, he dies' revelation.

Tony Ortega recently broke this.