Scientology may be too "out-gradient"

[nw2394]

But if an engram or other undesirable condition exists surely it should be handled if possible. OT1-8 take only a few years to complete, and that's a short time in ones eternity. Its not like the negative is forever being focused on.

I don't mean this in any way unkindly, but Alan did suggest you take your head out of your arse.

Look over what he said again. He didn't say you never run a negative.

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Try it this way. Run something like, er, this will be quite heavy if you can do it at all, "Create a mind". Run that repetitively. If you like you can get a bit flowery, with something like

Create a mind.
Create another mind.
Create several minds.
Create lots of minds.
Throw them up in the air
Have them be quite a long way away.
Now throw them away.

Repeat from step 1 until you have a cog and can create or uncreate a mind at will.

Well, you don't have to run this. In fact I am not really suggesting you should. The point of the exercise is that, if this, wholly positive process doesn't thow up negatives by the bucket load for you (which you will have to handle) then you either

a) have already throughly flattened the process (unlikely) or
b) didn't run it or
c) haven't run it for long enough or
d) need to run something else to the point where you can do the process at all.

Nick

P.S. I am not one of Alan's Knowledgist followers and, personally I think there is a place for a formal Bridge that does include some tackling of negatives directly, but the man does sometimes speak some good stuff all the same!

 

[nw2394]

There is a Tech of Reach - it is not taught in Scio or the Freezone.

As a matter of fact the majority of people do not want this Tech - they much prefer to move the mental furniture around in their little confort zone boxes of agreed-upon reaching.

Scio and the Freezone has a history of attempting to steal from those who can reach.

A case is but a piece of the whole -

Alan

Yeah. If it isn't in scio or the fz are we going to have go to Texas to find this out, or are you going to put us out of our mystery sandwich.....

Nick

 

[Dulloldfart]

Yeah. If it isn't in scio or the fz are we going to have go to Texas to find this out, or are you going to put us out of our mystery sandwich.....

Nick

"Reach for Knowledgism. Thank you."

"Reach for Knowledgism. Thank you."

"Reach...."

Paul

 

[Case]

What part of: "Obviously if a NEGATIVE COMES TO VIEW it would get holographically duplicated and fully permeated and thus completely handled." do you not understand?

What-ever comes to view! Geez! If an engram, or loss or a painful bunnion or a flat tire! If it is impeding the clients life - get it handled by the correct Tech!.



OTI to OT 8 seems to have left the majority who have done this - in basket case and life shape.

Why not just focus on the positive and process what comes up - I've been training and processing people for nearly 50 years - never met a standard case yet

I have THE BRIDGE it is exactly the same for each person!

It is: FOLOW THE CLIENTS INTEREST LINES - GOALS LINE - GAMES MATRICES.



Alan

Ok. I get it now. Seems like a decent approach, sounds somewhat like TROM and Idenics, although I've only briefly looked at them. Btw, I dont agree that everyone who has entered upon the OT levels has gone nuts. Its a BIG generalization. Ive seen some sane, happy looking and able people on those levels.

 

[Div6]

Yeah. If it isn't in scio or the fz are we going to have go to Texas to find this out, or are you going to put us out of our mystery sandwich.....

Nick

You have to watch him like that...he does that a lot. Fortunately I've run out my prior associations with others that did similar things....

But the outpoint with "the bridge" type stuff is that it is wrapped in a "cult" environment. It's not like you can nip down to the corner and get a session any time....you have to buy into this whole "other" trip before you can even sit down in an auditing chair. THAT is what has killed delivery.....(and a few omissions as well, like handling Evil and so on...)

I guess that begs the question: CAN you take the "cult" out of Scientology?

 

[nw2394]

You have to watch him like that...he does that a lot. Fortunately I've run out my prior associations with others that did similar things....

But the outpoint with "the bridge" type stuff is that it is wrapped in a "cult" environment. It's not like you can nip down to the corner and get a session any time....you have to buy into this whole "other" trip before you can even sit down in an auditing chair. THAT is what has killed delivery.....(and a few omissions as well, like handling Evil and so on...)

I guess that begs the question: CAN you take the "cult" out of Scientology?

Depends on what you mean by "cult". If you're going to do something then you have to do it. It isn't much good taking on any kind of religion or self improvement or whatever of that sort and then have a go half heartedly.

But anyhow, you've kind of answered Alan's question for him, or at least made an excuse for him. In Big League Sales, you leave the prospect with a choice of buy now or, er, buy now.... And then just say nothing.....

So Alan....................

 

[Case]

You have to watch him like that...he does that a lot. Fortunately I've run out my prior associations with others that did similar things....

But the outpoint with "the bridge" type stuff is that it is wrapped in a "cult" environment. It's not like you can nip down to the corner and get a session any time....you have to buy into this whole "other" trip before you can even sit down in an auditing chair. THAT is what has killed delivery.....(and a few omissions as well, like handling Evil and so on...)

I guess that begs the question: CAN you take the "cult" out of Scientology?

Well I would argue that many groups and subcultures are cult-like, and this goes for ones that aren't anything to do with religion. Although the word cult usually denotes a religious connotation, other aspects make up a cult; rites, ceremonies, veneration, obsession, etc.

For example, isn't being an avid football supporter somewhat like being in a cult?

The clothing, the language, the veneration of the players/managers, the place of worship (the stadium).

Also see Definition 6 from American Heritage Dictionary: An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest.

What involved 3rd dynamic activity couldn't be described as containing cult-like qualities?

Clubbing, raving, card game clubs, sports clubs, forums, academic journals and seminars?

I would say any 3D activity can be cult-like, and that mainstream, conventional society is just a myth, aimed at getting people to conform to certain values and a specific (passive) way of life.

 

[Alanzo]

Well I would argue that many groups and subcultures are cult-like, and this goes for ones that aren't anything to do with religion. Although the word cult usually denotes a religious connotation, other aspects make up a cult; rites, ceremonies, veneration, obsession, etc.

For example, isn't being an avid football supporter somewhat like being in a cult?

The clothing, the language, the veneration of the players/managers, the place of worship (the stadium).

Also see Definition 6 from American Heritage Dictionary: An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest.

What involved 3rd dynamic activity couldn't be described as containing cult-like qualities?

Clubbing, raving, card game clubs, sports clubs, forums, academic journals and seminars?

I would say any 3D activity can be cult-like, and that mainstream, conventional society is just a myth, aimed at getting people to conform to certain values and a specific (passive) way of life.

No.

A cult coerces you to work against your own self-interests.

Not just any 3D activity does that.

 

[Alan]

Ok. I get it now. Seems like a decent approach, sounds somewhat like TROM and Idenics, although I've only briefly looked at them. Btw, I dont agree that everyone who has entered upon the OT levels has gone nuts. Its a BIG generalization. Ive seen some sane, happy looking and able people on those levels.

I guess I will need to run repeater techniques on you for a while Case!

"OTI to OT 8 seems to have left the majority who have done this - in basket case and life shape." Does that line say "everyone"?

 

[Alan]

Yeah. If it isn't in scio or the fz are we going to have go to Texas to find this out, or are you going to put us out of our mystery sandwich.....

Nick

It will be quite awhile before I can export it - the Tech spans all levels - but runs from PT. It will needs to be done as a co-process - so far I have 14 people on it - including me.

You will be able to co-process from home.

The hardest sessions are the first two or three sessions - after that it gets much easier as the familiarity expands.

As it follows how the case formed - it undoes in reverse sequence - always the correct next piece is ready to move in and run.

C/Sing needs are minimal - more importantly are light winning crams.

The Tech is only part of it - what truly makes Tech work are the safe spaces and powerful practitioners.

Alan

 

[Dulloldfart]

Thanks Alan. Sounds good.

Paul

 

[Alanzo]

It will be quite awhile before I can export it - the Tech spans all levels - but runs from PT. It will needs to be done as a co-process - so far I have 14 people on it - including me.

You will be able to co-process from home.

The hardest sessions are the first two or three sessions - after that it gets much easier as the familiarity expands.

As it follows how the case formed - it undoes in reverse sequence - always the correct next piece is ready to move in and run.

C/Sing needs are minimal - more importantly are light winning crams.

The Tech is only part of it - what truly makes Tech work are the safe spaces and powerful practitioners.

Alan

JESUS CHRIST, ALAN!!!

What about "DEADLINE EARTH"????

My GOD!

 

[Tanstaafl]

JESUS CHRIST, ALAN!!!

What about "DEADLINE EARTH"????

My GOD!

Yeah, c'mon Alan, get your skates on, this is, after all, "a deadly serious activity"!

 

[nw2394]

It will be quite awhile before I can export it - the Tech spans all levels - but runs from PT. It will needs to be done as a co-process - so far I have 14 people on it - including me.

You will be able to co-process from home.

The hardest sessions are the first two or three sessions - after that it gets much easier as the familiarity expands.

As it follows how the case formed - it undoes in reverse sequence - always the correct next piece is ready to move in and run.

C/Sing needs are minimal - more importantly are light winning crams.

The Tech is only part of it - what truly makes Tech work are the safe spaces and powerful practitioners.

Alan

Ah. OK. I'm all ears when you feel ready to export it.

Nick

 

[Case]

I guess I will need to run repeater techniques on you for a while Case!

"OTI to OT 8 seems to have left the majority who have done this - in basket case and life shape." Does that line say "everyone"?

Fair enough. "Majority" is still a big generalization though. Got the bonafide stats on that?

 

[Case]

No.

A cult coerces you to work against your own self-interests.

Not just any 3D activity does that.

Haven't seen your definition in a dictionary before.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cult

 

[Alan]

Fair enough. "Majority" is still a big generalization though. Got the bonafide stats on that?

Just get the Scio declare list!

Or look at the original Saint Hill staff list - by Scios own confession almost 97% are declared SP.

http://www.upperbridge.org/shill.htm

 

[Vinaire]

It will be quite awhile before I can export it - the Tech spans all levels - but runs from PT. It will needs to be done as a co-process - so far I have 14 people on it - including me.

You will be able to co-process from home.

The hardest sessions are the first two or three sessions - after that it gets much easier as the familiarity expands.

As it follows how the case formed - it undoes in reverse sequence - always the correct next piece is ready to move in and run.

C/Sing needs are minimal - more importantly are light winning crams.

The Tech is only part of it - what truly makes Tech work are the safe spaces and powerful practitioners.

Alan

A viable process would be one that can be executed over long distances with ease. Looks like Idenics is ahead of others in this respect.

.

 

[Veda]

Haven't seen your definition in a dictionary before.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cult

The proper term is "Destructive Cult" or "Deceptive/abusive Cult."

Below is excerpted from 'Destructive Cult Defined and the Gradients of Deception: The Layers of the Scientological Onion', 1992, 1996, from the book, 'L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman?':

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=19183&postcount=1

There can be such a thing as a (mostly) "benign cult"; however, a "Destructive Cult" practices deception, mind-manipulation, and varying degrees of coercion, abuse, etc.

 

[Case]

Just get the Scio declare list!

Or look at the original Saint Hill staff list - by Scios own confession almost 97% are declared SP.

http://www.upperbridge.org/shill.htm

You originally said: "OTI to OT 8 seems to have left the majority who have done this - in basket case and life shape."

Well, I hardly think that an SP declare from the CofS means that one is a basket case or in bad shape. It's not really an important factor of ones sanity or life shape. What REAL measurement have you got that those who did OT1-8 went insane or crashed?