I doubt that Alan keeps any such stats.
But you have to admit that from, well, at least Dn upwards to New OT7, with the possible exception of OT1 and 6, the latter of which is actually training anyway, the emphasis is on removing negatives:
Dn = the reason I feel bad is that nasty engram
Power = the reason I'm fucked up is an engram I didn't know I had and couldn't even run with Dn.
OT2/3 = the reason I am overwhelmed is that nasty cluster.
And so on.
"a reason". Not THE reason.
Now I don't think Alan is saying these things never need to be addressed. Even the Idenics crowd is not saying these things don't need to be removed somehow, even if they say that it can be handled by undercutting. So no-one is saying the negatives aren't bad and should go.
Perhaps there is a way to undercut engrams and other upsets. But then when you come out the other end you miss out on really knowing the gritty details on some of what was disabling you in the first place. I think engram running is a way to know the sheer force of the reactive mind, so that when you eventually get rid of it, you know with greater certainty that you definitely wouldn't want to make one of those again. Engram running is as much a learning process, as it is a case process.
But it is a question of emphasis. Are you teaching and dictating to you PCs (or preOTs or clients or whatever word you use) through the CS instructions you issue and the crams you do on auditors and so on that the "case is bad and the reason you are fucked is all your negative case"?
All case is negative. Is there such a thing as positive case? But yes, I agree there are other reasons why people get fucked up, such as lack of experience, lack of knowledge and lack of skills.
Well, if that is what you put your attention, then that is what you are likely to get. People who believe they are the effect of case. Loonies to put it bluntly.
I think what you're talking about is being overwhelmed by ones case. And as long as one doesn't Q&A during auditing, ones case can be handled. If one overly puts attention on their case out of session (figure-figure) then this is might turn one crazy. Attention on case is safe during auditing.
One has to understand that in all the vast history of - well - however many universes there have been - there is an absolute ocean of time and that means that there has been an ocean of opportunity to fuck things up over and over again. So, while there cannot be an infinity of negative case (or there would be no point in trying to do any auditing, positive or negative), there is a truly stupendous amount of it. So much that it has overwhelmed your PC over and over again. So, if all you do is process the negative you are certain to plow him or her into these messes. And though you may run this stuff for a few hours or years, all you're likely to do is leave the PC in a mess. People say, "ah, well I've been running NOTs for 25 years now, you would think I would have come to the end of it by now". No, stupid, No. You could be there for a millenium running the messes you've accumulated and still not get to the end of it, given the vastness of time.
I understand what you mean. It seems like there is endless case that cannot be handled in a million years. I tend to believe that the NOTs case can be completed in a few years time, not 25 years. The Rons Orgs argue that it can be done in a matter of months with Excalibur. I can imagine ones case looked too vast from the viewpoint of book one auditors and a simple one life time frame, what with endless pre-natal's etc.
But perhaps if one was really cause over their mental image pictures it would only take a few seconds to scan over one life time and just confront the nastier facsimiles- and get a positive result from doing so. It is then conceivable that if it took a few seconds to do that for one life, maybe a few hours to do a thousand lifetimes. And a few weeks to doing millions of lifetimes and massive spans of time.
It is theoretically possible to scan the VASTness of time and of ones existence. But it would take a BIG cause point to do so.
***OR*** the CS, the auditor, the practitioner, the facilitator (or again whatever word you use), can START from the viewpoint that this person sitting in front of me is - well - yeah sure they seem to have quite a few mess ups stuck to them - BUT, they are still going. Isn't that a wonderful, strange, almost magical thing. They should be dead, but they're not - this person is operating a body, feeding it, raising a family, making plans, defending thier turf and all sorts. SO, just maybe, if we can lever this person over to a little more cause and, yeah maybe dispose of a few of the messes along the way then just think of what they might be capable of.
Yep. Thats exactly how I see Dianetics and Scientology. A few years doing some negative processing is hardly a long time. The dianetics I've done put me in better shape. So I don't see why doing similar negative gain processing over a few years would be counter-productive. It just regains ones cause at times when one wasn't being at cause successfully. Also, as far as I know, the NOTs case handling is about intention, which is about being at cause. I think all processing, negative gain or positive gain, is essentially practising being at cause over mental MEST, postulates and other aspects of successful living, just in a controlled environment.
Now, there is an additional factor of being in a safe space. You cannot expect anyone to talk freely and get things off their chest and calmly view it all in an environment that is hostile. That is exactly the sort of thing that the CoS is doing with their heavy ethics. It is really quite remarkable that anyone still gets any sort of useful TA there now. In fact, where it does happen it is a testimony to both the good nature of the auditor, the sheer willingness on the part of the PC and the workability of what Hubbard and his co-workers left us.
Totally agree. Even though the CofS can be considered suppressive, people still get case gain there. I did. Although I value what I learnt about life whilst there just as much.
So, it is not that Hubbard was wrong. He wasn't. In fact he was fantastically right most of the time. Nor is the Bridge wrong. It isn't. In fact it is more right that one can easily summarise.
But there is the question of emphasis. If you sit there grimly saying that you are going to somehow vanquish your BT case, I dare say it can be done. But you are in for a long, heavy ride. I'll check back with you in a thousand years to see how you're doing.
Personally, I wouldn't be so quick to assert that no one has or is completing their BT case.
Or you can say, hell I am a wonderful, benign deity. Sure I'll knock a few of these engrams out of my way as I make progress. But I sure won't lose sight of the fact that what I actually want is to live better, I won't lose sight of my own innate goodness, my own innate causativeness. And nor will I lose sight of it in those whom I have opposed for so long either.
You might find your interpretation of Hubbard's work is quite different if you approach it from that angle.
Nick
I agree that compassion is vital to ones own spiritual health. Compassion for ones self and for others. This is something that could be argued as being under-emphasized within the subject. Yet auditing is a compassionate act on the part of the auditor, whether they get paid or not, and as long as they don't violate the auditors code of course.
By becoming more at cause over ones negative past, one can become more at cause in ones PT and future. On the same note, positive processing helps one become at cause from a different approach. Both are necessary.
For example, if in ones last life one had a piano fall on top of them and kill them, this might have to be addressed if one wants to be a master pianist in this life. Once this is handled, then one might be able to actually confront the piano well enough to actually sit down and practice! Its a workable approach.
Or did I mention it? 
