Village Voice blog said:According to Rathbun and the [STRIKE]documents[/STRIKE] purported recreations he has [STRIKE]released[/STRIKE] typed into his blog, Scientology wanted to silence Leiby by investigating his 2005 divorce.
Village Voice blog said:Rathbun has previously posted at his blog purported formerly secret internal OSA [STRIKE]documents[/STRIKE] recreations. In this case, a 2006 purported document is marked "Eyes Only" and describes the steps operatives were taking to get information about Leiby and his divorce.
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not recreations, - there may have been redactions, deemed necessary of osa's nastiest dirt and fabrications
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Further if one shows all of one's hand, one has no cards left to play.
It is my understanding that the osa docs were from an active osa program file folder at the time Mike Rinder OSA INT left. . . <snip> . . .
Are you suggesting the source for these alleged documents is Mike Rinder? Hardly reassuring.
Yes, consider how long Marty has been out.
Mr Rathbun and Mr Rinder are visibly working together now.
The dates of the docs coincide with Mr Rinder's exit as ED OSA INT
Like I said, not exactly reassuring. In fact, if Rinder is the source then doubt must be cast on the very existence of the DOX, let alone their veracity. Still, it might explain the stone cold cruelty dished out to the reporter's wife. Perhaps the deliberate falsehoods in the alleged DOX were designed to prompt a response but there can be no excuse for the way it was treated. Rinder ridiculed her statement that her children found a decapitated animal in their backyard, Rathbun told her that in defending her family she had her priorities skewed, and Hall gave her the OSAOSAOSA treatment. The post immediately prior to the first WSJ one featured this trio in a circle-jerk OSA hunt so I guess they were looking for a scalp. So much for be nice to newbies at Martyland.
The real question, though, is what is the M²&M² Show up to, this time? Given all the information on the cult that they have available, why talk about dumpster-diving and hassling journalists? There's nothing illegal in what's been said, just as there's nothing new in it.
The only beneficiary of the post has been the cult in that the journalist gets a dose of warmed up Fair Game. Marty's even had his sneaky minions scampering about the net encouraging people to "let your media contacts know about this" to try and drum up coverage and/or bolster blog comments sections. There has to be more to it. From my perspective, it would appear Marty is seeking to leverage credibility as some sort of go-to guy for Scientology criticism in the MSM.
No other cult experience takes longer to recover from than scientology. (oer Flo Conway and Seiglman's book) I cannot imagine being Mr Rinder and then leaving. I am of the belief that the hard copy docs do exist. That he left is fact. In july or august 2007? (I think or 2008, it was hot, and I was still at my home of 26 years in Arlington which I sold in september 2008) Mr Minton who was intouch with Mr Rinder as his "terminal" for settlement of all cases told me that Mr Rinder no longer was answering his telephone at OSA INT. That was my confirmation that the rumors that Mr Rinder had left were factual. In my opinion he is at step 3 or 4 of 8 steps out LINK
Note: The rabbit head left in the sand for the kids to see was recounted to me over a decade ago...
There are consequences for the material he is posting, both Tory and Chuck Beatty, IMO now have a pretty good case for the Civil claim of "Intentional inducement of emotional duress" as well as conspiracy against rights guaranteed by the Constitutin.. though the latter is a tough row to row Lawrence Wollersheim won on the prior cause as well as "Tortious interference in business" (wording is wrong) but like that. Rich Leiby and his exwife now do too.
Perhaps Mr Rinder understands more than you give him credit for. Perhaps, just perhaps, he is acting on his intimate understanding that the only thing $cientology cares about is money. If the beast were bled to death, by adverse civil judgements, no matter what its size, it would collapse utterly.
Perhaps, but I would like to believe differently. I would like to believe that Mr Rinder is doing all he can to help our cause in his own way, as he rebuilds his humanity, while recovering his conscience.
It takes a long time to recover from the misuse of the advanced discoveries in psychology, which are, in my opinion what makes $cientology appear to 'work'. See the Oppenhiemer post HERE
AND There has been personal beneficial fallout from his blog entries... which i will describe at some point in the future.
Mr Rinder is in recovery, we all were for varying periods of time.. His previous post as ED OSA INT put him in a position that I find would be extremely difficult to extricate a mind from, - I mean look at it this way... many osa personnel run away and hide from the memories of the harms they did, Mr Rinder seems to have chosen to begin the road to recovery by starting to confront them. IF his countenance at times seems to lack grace, -remember that it is easy to act without grace - especially when navigating uncharted waters.
Give this time to play out, the show has just begun.
No other cult experience takes longer to recover from than scientology. (oer Flo Conway and Seiglman's book) I cannot imagine being Mr Rinder and then leaving. I am of the belief that the hard copy docs do exist. That he left is fact. In july or august 2007? (I think or 2008, it was hot, and I was still at my home of 26 years in Arlington which I sold in september 2008) Mr Minton who was intouch with Mr Rinder as his "terminal" for settlement of all cases told me that Mr Rinder no longer was answering his telephone at OSA INT. That was my confirmation that the rumors that Mr Rinder had left were factual. In my opinion he is at step 3 or 4 of 8 steps out LINK
Note: The rabbit head left in the sand for the kids to see was recounted to me over a decade ago...
There are consequences for the material he is posting, both Tory and Chuck Beatty, IMO now have a pretty good case for the Civil claim of "Intentional inducement of emotional duress" as well as conspiracy against rights guaranteed by the Constitutin.. though the latter is a tough row to row Lawrence Wollersheim won on the prior cause as well as "Tortious interference in business" (wording is wrong) but like that. Rich Leiby and his exwife now do too.
Perhaps Mr Rinder understands more than you give him credit for. Perhaps, just perhaps, he is acting on his intimate understanding that the only thing $cientology cares about is money. If the beast were bled to death, by adverse civil judgements, no matter what its size, it would collapse utterly.
Perhaps, but I would like to believe differently. I would like to believe that Mr Rinder is doing all he can to help our cause in his own way, as he rebuilds his humanity, while recovering his conscience.
It takes a long time to recover from the misuse of the advanced discoveries in psychology, which are, in my opinion what makes $cientology appear to 'work'. See the Oppenhiemer post HERE
AND There has been personal beneficial fallout from his blog entries... which i will describe at some point in the future.
Mr Rinder is in recovery, we all were for varying periods of time.. His previous post as ED OSA INT put him in a position that I find would be extremely difficult to extricate a mind from, - I mean look at it this way... many osa personnel run away and hide from the memories of the harms they did, Mr Rinder seems to have chosen to begin the road to recovery by starting to confront them. IF his countenance at times seems to lack grace, -remember that it is easy to act without grace - especially when navigating uncharted waters.
Give this time to play out, the show has just begun.
All I said was that a lot of stuff in the documents was wrong--factually wrong--and a lot Arnie KNOWS is wrong. But I never said I wasn't spied on. I am sure I was.