Scientology, Ron Hubbard and Hypnosis

[mockingbird]

........ and how to you know they were?

I can present evidence to support a claim, like the hundreds of articles that I have written.

 

[mockingbird]

Yes, I did read your other reply. Yes, you don't explicitly say "all" Scientologists were hypnotized but you do insist that Hubbard's "tech" IS hypnotism. Not "could be", not "might have the effect on some people" but you insist it IS hypnotism. Period.

That's your opinion. Fine, opinions are fine. I like Mexican food, you think Hubbard's tech is hypnotism. Great.

But please understand that continually and insistently pushing one's opinion as fact might not be as appreciated by others as you might expect.

See, this is where YOUR responsibility comes in.

If you know what you're expecting from me and don't want it you have my permission to not read my posts. I promise I won't send regges to your house and make you buy my posts.

What responsibility do you have for going to my posts over and over ? None ?

 

[mockingbird]

I hereby absolve any and all persons who do not like my posts of any requirements that they read them. Everyone is free to not read them if they don't like the content or the author or simply don't want to read them. Be free and enjoy your lives.

 

[Bill]

See, this is where YOUR responsibility comes in.

If you know what you're expecting from me and don't want it you have my permission to not read my posts. I promise I won't send regges to your house and make you buy my posts.

What responsibility do you have for going to my posts over and over ? None ?

And here's the fun part. I'll continue to read whatever I want and comment whenever I want and you can ignore my comments whenever you want.

Nothing bad has happened or will happen, I promise.

How's that?

 

[mockingbird]

And here's the fun part. I'll continue to read whatever I want and comment whenever I want and you can ignore my comments whenever you want.

Nothing bad has happened or will happen, I promise.

How's that?

Well, if you won't ignore me I can always ignore you.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

I hereby absolve any and all persons who do not like my posts of any requirements that they read them. Everyone is free to not read them if they don't like the content or the author or simply don't want to read them. Be free and enjoy your lives.

I doubt that many of us actually read your obsessive postings ... I suspect that most of us glance at them and cringe.

The only reason I look at them (and respond) is because it concerns me that we are coming off to lurkers as a bunch of weirdos who actually want to convince ourselves that we were hypnotised by scientology because that is so much 'nicer' than admitting the truth ... which is that we were merely conned by a madman.

Left alone you could single handedly ruin every bit of credibility that exes have managed to build up (and remember we were starting from rock bottom in the eyes of most never-ins)!

One day we may need some cred, one day the people who can do something about that cult may read here to gather info ... Mike and Leah are working hard to get the truth out there (based on FACTS) about scientology ... I don't want people to think that you are being taken seriously here and I don't want any wannabe gurus to feel too comfortable here either ... and THAT is the only reason I waste my time responding to you and others like you who are attempting to place themselves in the limelight and became 'opinion leaders' for exes or (as in the case of any remaining wannabe guru's) to recruit here.

 

[Dotey OT]

I have to say that now I believe something when I believe it. I won't say that all that I read are true possibilities, but I know I'll believe it when I know it to be true. I keep looking for truth where I can find it, and it's there. Besides, I can't get declared, who cares? I am working on it for me.

Bon fire of books this fall, including DMSMH and SOS. I'll send ya pics.

 

[Bill]

Well, if you won't ignore me I can always ignore you.

Ya' think?

Actually, I tried putting various people on "ignore" earlier. I then realized that wasn't working for me. What's the problem? Is anyone actually hurting me? Is it that I cannot tolerate another viewpoint?

But, "ignore" away if that makes you feel good.

However, once again, I promise I won't hurt you.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

@mockingbird ...

Not long after you joined ESMB and had been welcomed warmly you were repeatedly asked (nicely) by many of us to stop doing what you apparently came here to do, then (after you ignored all of those requests) you were asked again (firmly) to stop it and after you ignored those requests too you were eventually told to stop doing it or to expect to be banned, as Arnie eventually was for similar reasons.

Your response was to add a childish signature line to the bottom of your posts (so you can pretend you don't see posts from awful people like me) and continue with your campaign by linking to long pieces of text and directing people to your blog (which was a good compromise) but now you have reverted to doing what got you told to stop doing (by the moderator) as if you believe you should be an exception to the rules ... why?


Board rules.

 

[Bill]

I can present evidence to support a claim, like the hundreds of articles that I have written.

You have a very odd concept of "evidence". It's opinion. The fact that others share your opinion does not make it true. I totally support your right to have that opinion but I find your continual insistence that your opinion is fact rather annoying -- as do some others.

You seem to get upset by this and I urge you to avoid that. No harm will befall you if others don't agree with your opinion.

 

[Gib]

Yes, Ron used much rhetoric and produced the most bizarre cosmology of any tin pot guru in the long and magnificent history of human horsecrap

But the Greeks!

They, by God, actually knew something. in 1977 in Somerville up under eaves of our garret apartment with it's panoramic view past the city library across the street driving cab and living that wild left-handed black Irish ex-nun and our outrageously fantastic newborn son I spent two weeks reading a fine translation of Plato's "Republic" of which I remember almost nothing but two days after finishing it...

I had a dream...

And I swear it was not just a dream...

I was in the sky above white fluffy cumulus clouds in bright light exactly like bright sunlight save it had no glare to it and a great hand appeared before me and opened. It was like about eighteen feet from heel to fingertip and in the hollow of the palm was a very small pile of tiny gold seeds. I took one and broke it open and the eensiest teeniest drop of shimmering gold liquid oozed out. I touched my my tongue to it...

O my God!!!

Sweet?

As if fresh clover honey were bitter by compare!

Sweet!!!

With an indescribable wetness to it but if you can envision colored water dropped into clear water and how the pigment billows out to fill the whole volume of the glass so did it melt into my tongue to the back of my mouth where it blossomed in all directions forward to lips and face up and back to skull, down the neck to chest and out the arms to hands and and fingers as it suffused the torso hips and groin down the legs to feet and toes and I was alive in every fibre of my being as never before or since...

The dream evanesced into the mist of blessed sleep and I arose at dawn bright as sunlight through a drop of dew.


The Greeks spoke of Nectar.


I have tasted Nectar.

not sure what you say'in

Here is the truth, Ron was just a rhetoric writer:

"Scientology mythology is the body of myths told by L Ron Hubbard. These stories concern the origin and nature of the world, the lives and activities of thetans, of people, of souls, of clears, of OT's. As taught in the mythical words in Hubbards writings and mythical words in lectures of L Ron Hubbard in the PDC's, Pheonix Lectures, HCOB's, HCO PL's, Advice's, books and everything else he spoke or wrote. Modern exscientologists and scholars study the myths to shed light on the so called religious and political institutions, or organizations, of L Ron Hubbard and it's crowd known as a Scientologists, and to gain understanding of the nature of the myth-making itself."

Ron was just a story teller to persuade.

 

[Gib]

Were you in present time the whole time you were doing TR-0? Or did it take you a while to get there? Did you ever feel a little "out of it" for a while before you made it to present time? Or more than a little? Did you ever hallucinate while doing TR-0?

Did you ever do a 2-hour confront? Were you in PT the whole time?

Your thousands of hours of auditing must have included dianetics. You must have run past track. How would you describe the state you were in while doing this? Would you say that was your normal state of consciousness, or was it different? Was it similar to the state you might experience shortly before falling asleep?

I was in present time doing all of huubard's process's.

It was Hubbard hisself thru his rhetoric writings got me to believe I wasn't in present time, LOL

 

[Gib]

I hereby absolve any and all persons who do not like my posts of any requirements that they read them. Everyone is free to not read them if they don't like the content or the author or simply don't want to read them. Be free and enjoy your lives.

it's a tough crowd of only a few people. Don't let that stop you.

You are free to say what you want.

 

[mockingbird]

it's a tough crowd of only a few people. Don't let that stop you.

You are free to say what you want.

Good idea, if people are insulting then I can just add to ignore. If they don't like it they can...have a nice day.

I have been in more than a couple online groups and know that sometimes if someone doesn't like you or what you write they can try to bait you into saying something they can report so you get warned or banned, like a little kid getting a sibling in trouble. But here if anyone is insulting or baiting me I fortunately have the ignore option. They can bait away and I don't have to decide between addressing anything whether it be lies or insults or anything else and letting it slide. I just won't even see the comment. It definitely is useful.

 

[Bill]

Good idea, if people are insulting then I can just add to ignore. If they don't like it they can...have a nice day.

"Insulting"? I'm so very, very sorry!

Um... I forget, when did I insult you?

 

[Bill]

it's a tough crowd of only a few people. Don't let that stop you.

You are free to say what you want.

Exactly what I said. I fully support mockingbird's right to state that opinion. Thanks for agreeing with me!

 

[I told you I was trouble]

"Insulting"? I'm so very, very sorry!

Um... I forget, when did I insult you?

Lol ... Oooooh, it must have been you because Mockingbird has me on 'ignore' and wouldn't even know that I just suggested he may be obsessive and that he has a childish siggy line.

 

[Bill]

It's odd -- and too bad -- that some people think disagreement, polite disagreement, is "an insult" and deserves unpleasant responses.

I understand that people can feel strongly about an opinion and can even feel personally invested in an opinion but disagreement isn't an insult.

I'm sorry that this thread has elicited such a reaction.

 

[pineapple]

I was in present time doing all of huubard's process's.

It was Hubbard hisself thru his rhetoric writings got me to believe I wasn't in present time, LOL

I see what you're saying, Gib, but you know what I mean. (I used the scn meaning of "in present time" because I was responding to a post by ThetanExterior who used it that way.) Were your attention and awareness here, now, and your perception as usual? Or were you a bit "out of it" at times and your perception distorted?

 

[I told you I was trouble]

I'm not saying that TR's worked or didn't work but the whole point of those drills was to gradually get the person doing them to arrive in present time if they were not there already and fully confront whatever was in front of them, supposedly so that they wouldn't flinch or burst out laughing while auditing someone ... some people took longer than others and were flunked constantly until they finally managed/decided to remain in present time for the 2 hours or however long they were having to do it for to get a pass.

You can see and feel when someone is present just as you can see and feel when they are not.

Being a bit 'out of it' with distorted perception can happen anywhere at any time for a lot of people, I see people every day who are off with the fairies, the ones that freak me out are driving. I don't see what hypnotism has to do with it. Drugs, trauma, boredom, stress, alcohol or mental illness may be involved though.