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Scientology Santa Barbara closes it's doors...

Discussion in 'North America' started by Smurf, Apr 15, 2014.

  1. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Did the answering machine say "Dianetics and Scientology, blah blah, please leave a message and we'll get back to you"? Or just "leave a message" without identifying themselves as Scn?
     
  2. Little David

    Little David Gold Meritorious Patron

    Does anyone know if Santa Barbara Scientology closed or are Smurf and others assuming it did because they are selling their building?
     
  3. tutu

    tutu Patron

  4. Knows

    Knows Gold Meritorious Patron

    Wow - that is really quite profound when you think about it. For 64 years Scientology, claiming to have the TECH to be super novus, super helpful, super powers etc...does not have one ORG that is St Hill size.

    Do you really think that wasn't planned by ole Tubbs himself?:whistling::whistling:St Hill Size - the cheese that keeps the hamsters on the wheel.:wink2:

    Co$ does have quite an impressive real estate portfolio though - which reminds me of a little ditty - "Here is the Church, here is the steeple, open the doors and there are no people"!
    (no steeple either...just a thelema cross incognito).
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2014
  5. idrizomare

    idrizomare Patron with Honors

    The El Camino Real location in Palo Alto was abandoned years ago. I got to it in time to take a picture of the faded paint where the outline of "Scientology" still showed. A nice little symbol. If I ever find the picture again, I'll post it.

    They had an obscure little spot with no street frontage near Park Avenue and South California Street but that may have evaporated as well. I'll try to remember to check in on them next time I'm in that neighborhood.

    Presumably their "life improvement center" (sorry, but that always makes me giggle) on Castro Street in Mountain View is still open.
     
  6. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

  7. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    What I saw from the org website was the latest promotion of an event for FEB 5th? Is that 2015 or was that the last service offered there in 2014?

     
  8. Anonycat

    Anonycat Crusader

    The Palo Alto location was not on El Camino. The El Camino Real location is still there. It's near the border of Santa Clara and near Santana Row.
    The old location that you must be referring to was at 3505 El Camino Real.

    Correction in my post (above) - I meant to say on Winchester. Oops!
     
  9. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Or to someone's cell phone while they are on the Cause resurgence rundown being done in order to re-surge the Org. did you hear heavy breathing Foti?

     
  10. Anonycat

    Anonycat Crusader

    I meant to say on Winchester - sorry for the confusion.
     
  11. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    ohhh, I know those guys.. aren't they the ones giving out fraudulent stress tests on Huksterwood boulevard and selling Fraudulent cures in DMSMH. No wonder they got arrested. It's about time.

     
  12. Lurker5

    Lurker5 Gold Meritorious Patron

    I lived in Santa Barbara back in late 70s, early 80s, when JT had his place, outside town, north of Goleta, quite a ways from downtown SB. JT had a charge account at the store where I worked. He never came in, but he did answer the phone, when called about someone charging on his account. His voice is unmistakable.

    The SB Mission at that time was downtown, across the street from the Good Earth Restaurant. Honestly, I don't think JT went there. He probably had people come to his place north of SB. He was pretty famous by the time he bought the place. But who knows. And he was flying at the time, and/or had a plane - maybe even a chopper. The airport was closer to him than Santa Barbara - and he had property, lots of it, if a chopper wanted to land there.

    It was a year or two after that, that I went in to the SB Mission, at the coaxing of a friend, who had a friend who was an auditor in LA, who was urging her to get into scno. The place was a dump, no toilet paper. That was the impression of a wog, anyway. I took a few public courses, and ran like hell when I was shocked by some goings-on, which I probably never should have seen/experienced, as 'fresh meat/a wog'. And I got regged by a gang of thugs. That set all the hair on the back of my neck to rising. I was terrified, and worried I wasn't going to be allowed to leave the place. :omg:

    Anyway, later on - not sure when, it moved to a building on lower State, and at that time, lower State was not a tourist attraction. It was a dump, lots of homeless and gangs/thugs, porn stores and theaters and seedy night clubs, etc. The entire area was run down and seedy, including the building co$ moved into. I assumed they ran out of money and couldn't afford mid-town State Street anymore.

    Later on, lower State Street was rehabbed, and a connection/walkway built to the beach, which WAS a tourist area. A bridge was built for the 101, and the walkway went under it, as did a roadway connecting lower State to the rail station and the beach boulevard. All the buildings were rehabbed, and legit businesses and restaurants encouraged to establish there. The co$ building has always been just a store front - though the building is actually huge, and reaches back into the public parking lot. I have never been inside, so I don't know how big the interior is, or how much of the building is for scno. The store front is small, and dinghy looking. Dark and not welcoming. At least not to me, but then I had experience with scno/co$, so maybe I am prejudiced . . . :whistling:

    It has been my contention for a while now, since finding out stuff about and around it, and because of the weird stuff I witnessed and was made a part of, when I was there, that the SB Mission was one of the first ones taken over and raped - secretly - before the big Mission Rape. I think there was SO there, running things long before the Mission Rape. There was a fear and an ominous, sinister feel about the place, when I was there. I was at that co$ SB Mission before the David Mayo break-off. In fact, I left SB shortly after escaping from that first building, and came back later, after the Mission Rape, when David Mayo was going strong in Montecito.

    Every so often I get back to Santa Barbara, pass through, and I always notice when I drive by the co$ building. It gives me the creeps, just like it did way back then, when I managed to get the hell out of that first building . . . I had my landlady send back all mail from co$, with the word "Deceased" on it. I stopped getting mail from co$ for some 30 years. Then all of a sudden, in last handful of years, since signing on here, in fact, it started coming again. Getting that mail embarrasses me, ya know. I mean, what must my mail person think of me . . . :nervous::unsure::blush::whistling::duh::coolwink::hysterical:
     
  13. Little David

    Little David Gold Meritorious Patron

    The building is still open. While I was taking photos a young woman came out of their unlocked front door this evening and asked if she could help me. I asked her where they would be when the building sold and she said "Ventura". When I asked her where in Ventura she said she didn't know and went back inside. The first photo shows part of the interior through the front window. The letter in the second photo was posted in the window and says the police may enter the building when it is closed.
    [​IMG][​IMG]
     
  14. Chris Shelton

    Chris Shelton Patron with Honors

    According to my sources, Santa Barbara org will be moving to Ventura as that will be the location of their new "Ideal Org". They have not finished purchasing it yet as they need more money and the sale of this existing building will help fund that. It's very unusual for an org to move into its new building before its renovated but I guess Santa Barbara got that approved or that is the plan at least. We'll see how that goes.

    There is no way, btw, that an org would ever be allowed to close without a major nuclear reaction going off at the CLO level. If an org can't make its rent or mortgage or is going to get kicked out, the CLO will pay the bill before they will let eviction happen or let the place be closed down. This happened plenty of times when I was in management and there were plenty of weeks where we got no pay because all our money had gone to handle an org's "rent flap". One of the benefits of the Ideal Org program was org buildings would be owned outright and so there is no possibility of a "rent flap". These rent situations were a regular occurrence back when I was in Cont Management. Every couple of months, we had to bail out Hawaii, Albuquerque, Valley or even Salt Lake City. Those orgs, the ones who haven't gone "Ideal" yet, are the worst in the West US. And they obviously didn't get any better since I left management and the Sea Org.

    And in case anyone is wondering how I have sources in Santa Barbara, I was staff there for 8 years before I joined the Sea Org. It was also where I started as a public. I was there from 1985 - 1995. My old stomping grounds. For a period of time, I even lived in that existing building when I was on staff. It used to be a hotel so it wasn't that hard to do. Oh the stories from those days! So there are many people in Santa Barbara that are friends of mine.
     
  15. Anonycat

    Anonycat Crusader

    We were in the SB area about the same time, for a while there.
     
  16. Magoo

    Magoo Gold Meritorious Patron

    GP: "There is no way, btw, that an org would ever be allowed to close without a major nuclear reaction going off at the CLO level." Well, perhaps this is true of 'orgs'....but their missions come and go like used up fly paper.

    Happy Easter to ALL :) :cheers: :flowers:

    Tory/Magoo
     
  17. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

    So, Santa Barbara org moves to Ventura. (They think it will be better for them there?)
    I am guessing that they are in contact with Buenaventura mission.

    There has been a mission there for many years.
    (The "staff" link is blank. Why? I knew at least 3 staffers that went to there from Riverside.)
    http://www.scnventura.org/
     
  18. Smurf

    Smurf Gold Meritorious SP

    The existing building at 3295 E. Telegraph (Buenaventura Mission) is not up for sale, according to the Ventura County Assessor's Office.
    http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/16529877/3295-Telegraph-Road-Ventura-CA

    ASSESSOR PARCEL NUMBER : 077-0-053-070
    3295 E TELEGRAPH ROAD, VENTURA - Secured property includes land and improvements attached to the land.

    Total Tax (2013-2014): $6,435.54

    1st Installment:
    $3,217.77 pd. 12/2/2013

    2nd Installment:
    $3,217.77 pd. 4/1/2014

    A friend pm'd Katherine Jones who's on staff at Buenaventura & she confirmed the building is not for sale. https://www.facebook.com/katherine.a.jones.7
     
  19. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

    I think what he was referring to was the current SCN SB Org building... not the Buenaventura mission location.

    (The staffers I knew that went to Buenaventura were Jim Hamre, Tom & Cathy Steiner.)
     
  20. Smurf

    Smurf Gold Meritorious SP

    Tom & Cathy are still listed as the owners of Buenaventura on the cult's website, but they reside in New Orleans & work at Narconon.

    https://www.facebook.com/thomas.steiner.3133

    Jim was mentioned in a weird, long-winded Ripoff Report complaint by Kathy Gold last year.

    http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/the-c...anding-when-i-reached-out-for-help-in-1051823

    LOL. She's been harassing Mike Rinder on Twitter. https://twitter.com/mskathygold