Scientology Study Tech In The Real World

[Rene Descartes]

I always get a kick when I hear those actual "English language" words that only Scientologists use. I know there are at least 3 or 4 that I always catch myself using, but the only one I can think of right now is "disabused". I have never in my entire life heard a non-Scn say that word. And I've never met a Scientologist who didn't say that word. Can anyone think of other words like this? I know there's at least a few more. Oh yeah... "dilettante". I actually say that word sometimes in real life, like a man from another planet or something. In fact, aren't both those words in KSW, the most word cleared document in Scientology?

I have heard computer programers use the term "mock-up"

I have heard former armed forces people use the word "kludge"

I heard a radio host use the word "natter" years ago and I know for sure that guy was never a Scientologist.

That's all I have.

Rd00

 

[Infinite]

. . . <snip> . . . The runway was too steep. (not his exact words but maybe someone has the quotes)

In LRH 299 INT 28 September 1978 - THE END OF ENDLESS TRAINING, L Ron Hubbard talks about a student taking too long in becoming an auditor. This was another of those times when he was quickening the process to get more [STRIKE]brainwashing and blackmail-material gatherers [/STRIKE] Auditors. In the Scientology Scripture mentioned, Hubbard said:

. . . You can stuff a student with theory until it's coming out of his ears but you won't have an auditor until he AUDITS. You can even put him through all the drills that have ever been dreamed up and you still won't have an auditor until he AUDITS.

We've had the datum for some time that a student too long on the runway is going to lose the spark and zeal he started out with.

The new, shorter checksheets are geared to that datum . . .

. . . perhaps that was the reference you were referring to?

 

[Rene Descartes]

In LRH 299 INT 28 September 1978 - THE END OF ENDLESS TRAINING, L Ron Hubbard talks about a student taking too long in becoming an auditor. This was another of those times when he was quickening the process to get more [STRIKE]brainwashing and blackmail-material gatherers [/STRIKE] Auditors. In the Scientology Scripture mentioned, Hubbard said:



. . . perhaps that was the reference you were referring to?

Thanks for looking that up but now I see that I have that reference confused with the Barriers to Study.


"There is another series of physiological phenomena that exist
which is based on the fact of too steep a study gradient... It's a
sort of confusion or a reelingness that goes with this one."
(HCOB 25 June 1971, "Barriers to Study")

Nothing to do with runway, just "too steep a study gradient".

That's why I always thought it was more pertinent to the Vector Analysis reference.

Rd00

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

Thanks for looking that up but now I see that I have that reference confused with the Barriers to Study.


"There is another series of physiological phenomena that exist
which is based on the fact of too steep a study gradient... It's a
sort of confusion or a reelingness that goes with this one."
(HCOB 25 June 1971, "Barriers to Study")

Nothing to do with runway, just "too steep a study gradient".

That's why I always thought it was more pertinent to the Vector Analysis reference.

Rd00

Their butt fur fortune, go yew an eye...

 

[Student of Trinity]

Mocking up and nattering are also standard English, just not used as often outside Scientology. William Safire once wrote a famous line for Spiro Agnew, referring to critics of the Nixon administration as "nattering nabobs of negativism". That gave the term a bit more currency for a while. "Kludge" is also a standard slang, if a bit outdated now. I think it may have been US Navy slang in WW2, but it got taken up again in Silicon Valley in the 90's, so it still has a bit of life.

Hubbard didn't actually invent many words, but he picked up some obscure ones, often giving them special meaning as jargon, and got Scientologists to use them heavily. So most Scientologese terms are indeed real English words, but Scientologese still sounds very weird.

 

[Gadfly]

It is, a very old and well established tech, and from where do you think hubbard had the other idea?

Gradient Gra"di*ent, a. [L. gradiens, p. pr. of gradi to step,
to go. See Grade.]
1. Moving by steps; walking; as, gradient automata.
--Wilkins.
[1913 Webster]

Mark A. Baker

As I see it, while many approaches to studying anything include the notion of "adding bit by bit at a time", Hubbard was the ONLY person that I have ever seen who defined and explained the notion of gradients so well.

The idea is surely used in MANY appraches to learning. Take a musical instrument. One learns single notes. One then learns simple chords. One adds speed. One adds precision. This gradual improvement occurs by mastering one skill, and then ADDING TO THAT FIRM BASE.

That notion has surely appeared throughout a great many methods of education and teaching. But again, Hubbard did add the little added foucs and attention on just exactly what this involves.

Hubbard did not create the idea, but as he also did in some other areas, he spelled it our clearly - where others had previously not.

I also have the view that a person should NEVER pass a word that he or she doesn't understand. A person cannot always understand a sentence if he or she doesn't understand all of the words. One can at times do so by "filling in the blanks" and "determining the meaning by context". I have always been good at that. But, after contacting Hubbard's information, I simply chose to clear any word that I didn't know the meaning of.

But, also, Hubbard's nonsense about "manifestations of the three barriers to study" is absurdly stupid. Additionally, the notion that a person will always agree and be happy with ANY sentence or idea if one understands all the words is also insane. Disagreement is NOT always an indicator of misunderstanding (as Hubbard declares). There can be MANY ideas communicated, all easily understood, that are NOT true, and which one should NOT agree with.

Example:

The world is flat.

Understand all of the words. Is it true? No. Do you agree with the statement? Probably not. Should you get sent for "correction" if you disagree with that idea? No!

A basic problem in Scientology with Study Tech is that the LRH material is always considered to be 100% true and accurate. Evaluation & judgment of the "data" are not allowed, and THAT is built directly into Hubbard's version of Scientology Study Tech. And, THAT is fucked up!!!!!!!

In Scientology, if you disagree with ANY stated idea of Hubbard's (or Scientology management), you get sent to word clearing or Qual for "correction". The view is that YOU need to "be fixed", so that you come out agreeing and supporting whatever it is Hubbard said in the policy, bulletin, book or tape. And, if you fail to get "handled" in Qual, you THEN get sent to ETHICS! That involves a brutal system for enforcing AGREEMENT. And, THAT is built into Hubbard's "Study Tech". THAT is insane.

What Hubbard did in ANY segment of the subject of Scientology, just as with Study Tech, is he included some very sensible and cool ideas right along with very insane and oppressive ideas. That IS Scientology. To get any value from the subject of Scientology, one MUST separate out the endless crap from the fewer decent tasty morsels. In other words, one must turn it into somehting NOT "pure standard Scientology" for it NOT to be absurdly manipulative, entrapping and idiotic.

 

[RogerB]

Gottabrain wrote:

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3) I did NOT ask for the MU just before that, because I found that in real life this was rarely the problem. Instead, I asked the child to demonstrate or explain or re-do one of the activities in that section. If he got it right, we continued. If he got it wrong, we would go back.

They always got it right. There was no MU, no “just prior”.

This is part of the inexactitude and sloppiness of Hubbard.

If, when, an MU is present as the cause of the non-comprehension . . . it is not "prior" but at the exact point of the non-comprehension.

Of course there are, basically, six other reasons for non-comprehension when trying to learn something.

Hubbard, again, was sloppy and incompetent with his plagiarism of his "study tech" . . . . the barriers he spoke of are not study barriers: but barriers to comprehension.

Gottabrain wrote:

Another thing I ran into was a child who was too smart for his class. Yes, he was bored with it as expected, but the hardest part was getting him to be willing to provide the work required, yet continue thinking on a higher level.

Those children are definitely held back in a rigid education system. Self-study at own pace in a classroom doesn't work for them either, though - because the teachers ignore them, prefering to work with getting slower students to catch up. Better they are in classes with peers at a similar level.

It gets worse for "too bright" kids in the USA.

In the last several weeks I had two guests on my radio show that spoke on this issue: one A Dr. Frank Barnhill M.D., who wrote the book, Mistaken for ADHD; the other being Anne Maxwell, a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, and founder of The Child and Family Therapy Play Center.

Too often, the very bright kids are put down by peer pressure from the rest of the class along with not being properly attended to by teachers . . . in the US teachers are penalized in various way when class grades are down . . . so guess where teacher attention goes!

The bright kid, as you say, being neglected or otherwise bored stiff ends up becoming a "problem" in class.

Both my guests related case histories, and not uncommon cases, wherein a formerly bright kid ended up being misdiagnosed and put on the treadmill of ADHD "handlings."

This is a short post on just the two points you raised . . . . this subject of what goes on, and out, in the learning process in any scenario is a big one.

Someone else on this thread spoke to the issue of what schools are "designed to do" in society, and to the issue of dumbing the populace down.

Here is a link that gives you the nitty-gritty on that . . . this book written by a former top person in Ron Reagan's US Education Department.
http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/

The titel of the book is: The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America

TAJ won't like to read this . . . sorry TAJ

Rog

 

[Freeminds]

Surely you've heard of "a steep learning curve" - meaning something that is very challenging or daunting. Learning on a curve; points on a curve have a gradient. I am inclined to agree that LRH picked this up from the calculus course that he flunked at college.

Ooh... flunk. Another one! A word that seldom appears in England, except from the mouths of Scientology victims.

 

[apollo1971john]

Gottabrain, YOU gottabrain! Thanks for bringing up this topic. Years ago, I started a reading program for inner city grades 4-6, and linked with the public school system to teach peer tutoring. After a quick verbal test (provided by a public school reading teacher) to establish (estimate) the child's reading level, I paired them into comparable peers and explained how to do reading-a-loud word clearing. No dictionaries were used unless necessary. The peer would find the word stumbled upon, and explain the word, context, punctuation, etc. It was easy, but the right why had to be found... not simply Find your mu, but What exactly the student didn't get... many times it was punctuation, many times context. This was the tech that I found worked with them. Teaching the 3 barriers was too theoretical and they could care less. Also, they didn't get demonstration unless it was acted out (as in a scene).

 

[Gadfly]

I always get a kick when I hear those actual "English language" words that only Scientologists use. I know there are at least 3 or 4 that I always catch myself using, but the only one I can think of right now is "disabused". I have never in my entire life heard a non-Scn say that word. And I've never met a Scientologist who didn't say that word. Can anyone think of other words like this? I know there's at least a few more. Oh yeah... "dilettante". I actually say that word sometimes in real life, like a man from another planet or something. In fact, aren't both those words in KSW, the most word cleared document in Scientology?

Yep, "disabused" is a perfect example, and I myself adopted that word after reading it in KSW #1. It is a great word. I doubt that only Scientologists use that word.

There are certain words that only have unique meaning from a Scientology perspective, whereas words like "disabused" are actual English words that ARE used with the actual general meaning and understanding.

For instance, I like the word "enturbulated". I find that it really captures a certain something that no other word does for me. For instance, let's say I just witnessed an accident, and the police officer who showed up was a really pushy dumbass who greatly upset the injured driver and the gawking bystanders with his inane ststements, behavior and manner. Nor, there are many ways to describe that, but for me, "geez he enturbulated everybody", just does it.

"Widgets". That might be one that few others use (even Scientolgists themselves).

Terms like "namby-pamby" and "panty-waist" are often used by Scientologists, as they enter in that bit of disdain for the "dilletante". They are English words used in the same general sense as common usage, BUT also, few people probably use the terms other than Scientologists.

Then there is the whole realm of Scientology nomenclature (thetan, theta, clear, agreements, suppressives, rockslam, time track, etc.) and the various acronyms (ARC, GPM, SP, PTS, R/S, HCO, Out-INT, etc.) that ONLY have meaning for Scientologists. This unique language of their own is part of what makes them so individuated and separated from the rest of humanity.

 

[Man de la Mancha]

You frequently hear so-called wogs say “disabused”? That could only mean one of two things... you either have Scn or ex-Scn acquaintances, or you live in Clearwater, where Scientologese has actually permeated the culture. In my experience, “disabused” is code for “I'm a Scientologist”. It's actually an excellent word though - efficient, versatile, and easily deciphered by its plain English meaning.

 

[Gadfly]

You frequently hear so-called wogs say “disabused”? That could only mean one of two things... you either have Scn or ex-Scn acquaintances, or you live in Clearwater, where Scientologese has actually permeated the culture. In my experience, “disabused” is code for “I'm a Scientologist”. It's actually an excellent word though - efficient, versatile, and easily deciphered by its plain English meaning.

I was in a blues band back in 2003. We lost the bass player and were auditioning for another. A woman showed up to audition. While talking to her she dropped a few terms that made it obvious that she MUST have been involved with Scientology at some point - "in comm", "outpoint", and "ethical". I could just TELL. Now, none of the other band members noticed anything or even found the words strange (even though they didn't even understand WHAT she was saying). She was using the words about normal everyday affairs, and NOT about Scientology or anything Scientology-related.

I was declared at this point in time. I didn't want to have her join the band, work out a whole new set list, and then lose her because she later gets forced to disconnect from me. So, I called her and asked her what her affiliation was with Scientology, pointing out the exact words she had used. She readily admitted that she HAD taken a few courses many years back, had nothing to do with Scn these days, but still used some of the terms, because they "worked for her".

I explained that I was declared suppressive, which she laughed about, saying, "YOU, a suppressive? You have got to be kidding me". See, I am quite upbeat, positive and "theta" in my dealings with people. I am friendly, helpful and considerate. I am a "solution" versus a "problem" type of person. I dont' usually create "entheta" in real life. So, she thought it was totally nuts that I could be declared a "suppressive person".

Anyway, she joined the band, and played with us for about a year. There was never a problem with anything about Scientology, since she was NOT active or on-lines anywhere.

 

[Helena Handbasket]

Teacher uses a red pen to take points off an algebra answer that is correct because the student “didn’t show his work”.

I always hated having to "show my work" in maths. If I can keep it all in my thoughts, without having to write it down, why not? "Showing my work" is just added unnecessary effort.

Helena

 

[Man de la Mancha]

Hubbard didn't actually invent many words, but he picked up some obscure ones, often giving them special meaning as jargon

Kludge! That's a great one. Thanks! Now I remember what causes all that "Dev-T".

 

[Man de la Mancha]

You frequently hear so-called wogs say “disabused”? That could only mean one of two things... you either have Scn or ex-Scn acquaintances, or you live in Clearwater, where Scientologese has actually permeated the culture. In my experience, “disabused” is code for “I'm a Scientologist”. It's actually an excellent word though - efficient, versatile, and easily deciphered by its plain English meaning.

At 9:08 am Pacific Time, a Fox News host said, "So the question is, Can Newt Gingrich settle down enough to disabuse people of the idea he's too temperamental". Unbelieveable.

 

[Div6]

I was in a blues band back in 2003. We lost the bass player and were auditioning for another.

You still in a blues band? I'd love to have you cut a demo of this 12 bar blues I wrote a while back...........

Out Int, Out-list think I gotta w/h missed blues...

(Slow 12 bar blues)

Woke up this morning
stats were on my mind
yeah I woke up this morning baby
time to bring in that old GI
the co he won't talk to me
and the EO gave me the evil eye.

The last time it happened
I just didn't know what to do
Yeah, the last time it happened
I couldn't even get a review
I'm as low as a man can be
I got the out-int, out-list, think I gotta withold missed blues.....

You know Thursday at 2
well it done come and gone
Yeah Thursday is history
Another one for ol L Ron
But that dont mean nothin anymore
Cuz to the rpf I've gone.

My boiler suits too small
And my twin don't got a clue
And my programs way too long
I'm already over-due
You know it don't mean nothin
I got the out-int, out list, think I got a withhold missed blues.....

 

[Man de la Mancha]

I didn't want to have her join the band, work out a whole new set list, and then lose her because she later gets forced to disconnect from me.

Such a thing could only happen Scientology-land. I can imagine what was going through your mind as the "vocab" streameth from her mouth.

The facial expression on your avatar says it all.

 

[Gadfly]

You still in a blues band? I'd love to have you cut a demo of this 12 bar blues I wrote a while back...........

Out Int, Out-list think I gotta w/h missed blues...

(Slow 12 bar blues)

Woke up this morning
stats were on my mind
yeah I woke up this morning baby
time to bring in that old GI
the co he won't talk to me
and the EO gave me the evil eye.

The last time it happened
I just didn't know what to do
Yeah, the last time it happened
I couldn't even get a review
I'm as low as a man can be
I got the out-int, out-list, think I gotta withold missed blues.....

You know Thursday at 2
well it done come and gone
Yeah Thursday is history
Another one for ol L Ron
But that dont mean nothin anymore
Cuz to the rpf I've gone.

My boiler suits too small
And my twin don't got a clue
And my programs way too long
I'm already over-due
You know it don't mean nothin
I got the out-int, out list, think I got a withhold missed blues.....

I have thought of doing this previously. I have a full home recording studio and can record all sorts of stuff, playing all the instruments. Another poster had done Scio joke lyrics to the tune of Johnny B. Goode, and as I actually sang that song in that band, I considered putting a version together. But, so much to do, so little time. :confused2:

Here is a part of a tune I was working on last week (MP3 format):

Please Don't Go Intro

Please Don't Go Solo Break

I signed up for this free file storage service today, so let me know if the downloading is SLOW! Or, hopefully - FAST!

 

[Div6]

I have thought of doing this previously. I have a full home recording studio and can record all sorts of stuff, playing all the instruments. Another poster had done Scio joke lyrics to the tune of Johnny B. Goode, and as I actually sang that song in that band, I considered putting a version together. But, so much to do, so little time. :confused2:

Here is a part of a tune I was working on last week (MP3 format):

Please Don't Go Intro

Please Don't Go Solo Break

I signed up for this free file storage service today, so let me know if the downloading is SLOW! Or, hopefully - FAST!

Both links worked well for me.
Are all instruments virtual? (Sounds like an old Vox organ patch in the first segment?) Like the guitar break, but to my tastes it needs more raw energy and "breath" and less smoothness....something that discourages me from working fully in the digital domain. But great work!

Apologies for the thread derail.

 

[Man de la Mancha]

Here is a part of a tune I was working on last week (MP3 format):

Please Don't Go Intro

Please Don't Go Solo Break

Very impressive Gadfly. I especially like the guitar work in segment 1. Early 70s sound at first, and almost Iron Maiden like at a few points toward the end. I'm OK on guitar, but nothing like that.