guanoloco
As-Wased
Dear DChoice,
Initial response to your post: .
Secondary response:
Thank you.
With all due respect...
1. Used Silly-Putty instead of modeling clay; (<---how 'out-tech' am I?)
2. Reread post #7 out loud for my word clearer;(<---aka housemate)
3. Debated the words "here" and "now" with word clearer; (<----aka housemate who used fly swatter twice. Ouchie x 2.)
4. Agreed "here" was flexible since hubbard did flit about quite often; (<----dodging subpoenas, responsibilities, consequences...)
5. Agreed "now" was flexible since hubbard used that word at multiple times; (<----took another fly swatter swat for that, btw.)
6. Decided the word "and" was unisex; (<---- don't ask. housemate's a word-nerd.)
7. Resolved: The literal meaning of the commonplace phrase "here and now" cannot have been what hubbard intended - both 'here' and 'now' changed often enough from the 50's to '86 while he used that phrase -- repeating his core messages/'teachings' often enough in different locales and at different times. Thus, it seems more likely hubbard meant it in an everyday sense.
So?
The problem is, when asked, "Which here? Which now?" there doesn't appear to be an answer to either question that a scientologist can readily point to with confidence.
The aims/goals of scientology are written all over the place -- where's the material that states when the aims/goals have to happen? Why this lifetime and not another? :confused2:
JB.
Good questions. As for the public and the Bridge to Total Fiefdom there's the no- interference reference and there's KSW and there's the reference on how long it takes to do the Bridge that lays out each Grade and OT level.
For staff there's all sorts of "we have this slim chance don't flub it" peppered all throughout the HCOPLs and HCOBs...5 years to the end of the planet and racing against nuclear disaster and the dwindling spiral and Earth the graveyard prison planet and we're sent here to die all full of amnesia and pain and if you looked for Hell and found Earth it would certainly substitute.
It goes on always with a NOW! NOW! NOW!