Winston Smith
Flunked Scientology
no HH...
please...
not another domino theory!!!
Man do I have a different take on domino theory now that I am reading Diana West's "American Betrayal."
no HH...
please...
not another domino theory!!!
Man do I have a different take on domino theory now that I am reading Diana West's "American Betrayal."
Well, I have not seen anyone overstating the current situation but I am grateful for all the responses from ESMB members so lurkers have a better understanding of what hell happens to people who join this cult. Lives are devastated, families broken, futures shattered and bank accounts emptied.Some people seem to harbour the impression that I am belittling or pooh-poohing progress against the cult, or the privations and struggles of those speaking out.
I'm not. It's all very admirable, and I cannot wait til this subject is only found in history books.
I just wanted to point out that I'd seen many, many instances of people getting carried away (in my humble opinion) and doing the opposite of belittling: overstating the current situation.
Just to be clear...
Oh yes, the rats and garbage cans...YES!!!!
Since the beginning, Scn has operated with the Modus that "the next big thing', "new tech breakthrough" or "recovered lost tech" was, this time, gonna getcha what you've been looking for, haven't gotten yet or need to "resolve your case" once and for all. They've run out of rabbits to pull out of a hat and are now relegated to pulling dead rats out of garbage cans and bellowing, "Taddah!".
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Some people seem to harbour the impression that I am belittling or pooh-poohing progress against the cult, or the privations and struggles of those speaking out.
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I just wanted to point out that I'd seen many, many instances of people getting carried away (in my humble opinion) and doing the opposite of belittling: overstating the current situation.
Just to be clear...
You know when you start a well-meaning thread and people get the wrong end of the stick, and then you try to explain and it just makes things worse?
Doh.
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the deposition may be interesting but i don't expect much from it. mosey's case is awfully small potatoes anyway. it's not getting any media attention because it really isn't worth any
now laura decrescenza's case has some potential...
Okay, I have read every post in this thread.You know when you start a well-meaning thread and people get the wrong end of the stick, and then you try to explain and it just makes things worse?
Doh.
Oops, I responded to this post without fully reading it.
Mosey's case isn't small potatoes as far as the cult world goes though. The world, in general, sure but that's only because Scientology is small potatoes period.
It deserves local media attention at least. I don't agree that it deserves none.
FNI, since you're no longer a Noob, I can speak frankly:
You rock onto this forum as a Newbie, and straightaway have all sorts of nasty criticisms and inuendo about this forum's members, consistently generalising us as a "group" even though, by joining, you are also a member and therefore your criticisms apply to you as well. Apparently you have personally elected yourself as some sort of "speaker", but you are not, so your presentation is more like some sort of jerk harboring a lot of negativity. You are a very unpleasant person online with a lot of self-promotion and bragging, which, since none of us know you, is probably all smoke and mirrors anyway.
It started in your very first introductory thread and hasn't stop since. Either join a discussion as an individual or don't, but this "I am an observer looking at your/my group that I joined as I stand from above" bullshit is getting a bit old. It's pretty clear you don't have any real education in Sociology, whatever your claims, because you make mistake after mistake after mistake and then make it worse. With your horrid record of mistakes in your prejudicial analyses of groups, maybe you should give this up. At any rate, you'd be wise to keep your day job (if you have one), because you stink at Sociology. I don't believe any of your other claims, either.
And have a try at a sense of humour while you're at it, too.
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I meant to ask this on another thread about Mosey's case and the squirrelbuster stalking siege.
I seem to remember that the COS released a statement(s) (Karen Pouw?) very early on in this whole matter that the COS had NOTHING TO DO WITH the squirrel busters. I think they characterized it as an independent action of private parishioners.
Does anyone have the links to those classic TR-L press releases?
It is always delicious to compare the earlier lies of Scientologists to the [STRIKE]truth[/STRIKE] later lies. LOL
In a letter sent in 2009, Tom Cruise's lawyer, Bertram Fields, asked Marty to stop using his blog to mention the fact that he was the actor's former counsellor. "This is... a serious invasion of Tom's privacy and a violation of the priest-penitent relationship," wrote Fields. Rathbun replied, insisting otherwise. Cruise did not pursue the claim.
In March, I contacted the Church's PR department to inform them that I was writing a profile of Marty, and asking if they would like to respond to criticisms he had made of them. I also sought to check a few points of fact. They asked me to submit questions via e-mail. A few days later, their response arrived. It covered 15 pages. A second letter arrived at The Independent's offices in London the following day, from the Church's British lawyers, Carter-Ruck.
The Church called Rathbun "an anti-Scientologist, desperate and delusional". It said he was "expelled from the Church for violating Scripture" and has "a history of malfeasance" recently exposed in detail by Freedom, Scientology's in-house magazine, which claims he belongs to a "posse of lunatics". It advised me to research Marty via the website [who-is-marty-rathbun-dot-com link disabled by JB]. Among other things, it dubs him a "cult militia leader" and claims, "Rathbun's eyes glow with a psychotic gleam".
Since Scientologists "live in the community", the Church's letter argued that "the idea of a half-way house is absurd". It said Marty had been responsible for "lies, obstruction of justice, and violent behaviour" within the Church and had been dismissed from an executive position in the organisation rather than having, as he claims, quit. Because of his work since then, it claimed: "he is what we call a squirrel (a heretic)".
All of which brings us back to the strange campaign that began in Ingleside on the Bay last year. If, in the argot of Scientology, Marty is indeed a "squirrel", it follows that the cameramen who turned up at his home were out to "bust" him. Regardless of where they came from (and the Church formally denied being behind their activities), Marty came to the view that these strange men, with their golf buggies, weird T-shirts, and highly-visible surveillance equipment, had a plan: they wanted to shut him down.
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I meant to ask this on another thread about Mosey's case and the squirrelbuster stalking siege.
I seem to remember that the COS released a statement(s) (Karen Pouw?) very early on in this whole matter that the COS had NOTHING TO DO WITH the squirrel busters. I think they characterized it as an independent action of private parishioners.
Does anyone have the links to those classic TR-L press releases?
It is always delicious to compare the earlier lies of Scientologists to the [STRIKE]truth[/STRIKE] later lies. LOL
This is a little off topic, but not too far off. And it's funny.
Today I did something I've never done before. I visited the official $cientology website.
The opening page has several interesting photos of the November Grand Opening of the Clearwater "Cathedral" - which, according to their website, 10,237 people attended.
And it appears that just about all 10,000 of them are crowded into the streets to hear Miscavige give his 5 minute speech.
Too funny!
Here's the link to a very informative article and I encourage you (and all) to read the part when the reporter, Guy Adams, describes the e-mail responses he received from the Co$: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...henemy-of-l-ron-hubbard-devotees-7618944.html
Fun Excerpt:
Excerpt which partially relates to your query, HH:
It seems reasonable to think that Guy Adams and/or The Independent kept a copy of the emails from Co$/Co$ attorneys, Carter-Ruck.
As for digging up the actual quote(s) from the Co$ spokesrep? IIRC, Tony Ortega wrote something about this very issue some weeks back, but I'm not sure if he provided a copy of a written statement or not.
/derail.
JB (I posted the Tom Cruise/Bert Fields bit just to crack myself up. It worked!)