Scn: An APPLIED philosophy that CANNOT BE APPLIED?

HelluvaHoax!

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Posted by HelluvaHoax!
History proves that the number of adherents, believers or members of any activity is directly and only proportionate to the unwavering CERTAINTY of its visionary leader, regardless of whether such certainty derives from universal truth, misconceptions or malevolent lies.

Posted by Tiger Lily:
No kidding!? . . . I think I just got "case gain"!

Posted by HelluvaHoax!
Hubbard's "certainty" is what defines the Scientology experience and it was "humbly tendered as a "gift" to his devotees, who pay homage to their Savior in every waking moment by sharing their gift with still others.

The gift that keeps on taking.

Posted by Tiger Lily:
I think that's one for the golden quotes thread . . . .
I'm heading over there . . . :outtahere:



HelluvaHonor!!!! Thanks, TL!

Hope my nomination for "NOBEL PEACE POST" will not be scandalously withdrawn when they discover that my "History proves..." revelation is quoted from the ten-volume reference book entitled: "THE TOTALLY CERTAIN HISTORY OF THE WORLD" authored by Mr. Helluv A. Hoax.
 

Lesolee (Sith Lord)

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"The work was free. Keep it so"
Free: (from The World Book dictionary.)
1) not under another's control
2) not held back from acting or thinking
3) not held back
4) not hindered
5) clear, open, unobstructed.

There are quite a few definitions then that do not relate to money.

Dianetics is "free" in the sense that you can get DMSMH from a library, get a friend to also read it and twin up.

It is the Co$ that prevents this freedom by suppressing "squirrels", this being people who don't pay money to the Co$. They have made an extortion racket out of Scientology. The phrase has legitimate merit, but is not followed by those who claim to.
 
Free: (from The World Book dictionary.)
1) not under another's control
2) not held back from acting or thinking
3) not held back
4) not hindered
5) clear, open, unobstructed.

There are quite a few definitions then that do not relate to money.

Dianetics is "free" in the sense that you can get DMSMH from a library, get a friend to also read it and twin up.

It is the Co$ that prevents this freedom by suppressing "squirrels", this being people who don't pay money to the Co$. They have made an extortion racket out of Scientology. The phrase has legitimate merit, but is not followed by those who claim to.

Yes it was meant to be unhindered. And to keep it unhindered and free, it was necessary to go after psychiatrists and disenters, people who had more ability than Ron etc.
"not held back from acting or thinking" = always attack someone who criticises the "free" subject of scientology. Attack them. Do not hold back.
 

Veda

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"The work was free. Keep it so." That's from 1957. From 1950 through about 1971, Hubbard usually identified his perceived enemies as "communists" or "communist sympathizers." He wrote (1950s) letters to the FBI claiming people were communists. He concocted the (1955) "Russian Textbook on Psycho-politics" which had the Russian communists denouncing America, morality, and "Dianetics" (which in later printings was changed to "Church of Scientology.") In a confidential (1969) 'Scientology Intelligence tech' issue, he described the original publisher of 'DMSMH' as a communist and his 2nd wife as a Russian spy.

Then in 1971, with public opinion shifting (particularly amongst young people) largely due to the USA involvement in the Vietnam war, he changed to calling his perceived enemies "Nazis."

In 1957, when Hubbard stated that "The work was free. Keep it so," he was referring to his perceived enemies (who [he asserted] were mostly communists, communist sympathizers and, of course, generally, criminals and perverts), and needed to be watched, spied on, (and for rank and file members) ignored or disconnected from. Yes, even then.

Depending on the time period and the audience ('public'), the description of the perceived enemy changes. Nowadays, the main "buttons" seem to be "terrorist," and "criminal." To a Scientology audience, the main "button" is "psych" or "tool of the psychs,' etc.

These days, in the Scientology Freezone, the 1957 statement is sometimes interpreted as a warning about a possible takeover of Scientology by the evil Marcabians, etc.

It has nothing to do with Scientology being "free" as in "open," "transparent," "available for free or without $$$, or advocating free speech, or any other positive connotation that might reverberate in the mind of an unsuspecting person.
 

KnightVision

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"The work was free. Keep it so." That's from 1957. From 1950 through about 1971, Hubbard usually identified his perceived enemies as "communists" or "communist sympathizers." He wrote (1950s) letters to the FBI claiming people were communists. He concocted the (1955) "Russian Textbook on Psycho-politics" which had the Russian communists denouncing America, morality, and "Dianetics" (which in later printings was changed to "Church of Scientology.") In a confidential (1969) 'Scientology Intelligence tech' issue, he described the original publisher of 'DMSMH' as a communist and his 2nd wife as a Russian spy.

Then in 1971, with public opinion shifting (particularly amongst young people) largely due to the USA involvement in the Vietnam war, he changed to calling his perceived enemies "Nazis."

In 1957, when Hubbard stated that "The work was free. Keep it so," he was referring to his perceived enemies (who [he asserted] were mostly communists, communist sympathizers and, of course, generally, criminals and perverts), and needed to be watched, spied on, (and for rank and file members) ignored or disconnected from. Yes, even then.

Depending on the time period and the audience ('public'), the description of the perceived enemy changes. Nowadays, the main "buttons" seem to be "terrorist," and "criminal." To a Scientology audience, the main "button" is "psych" or "tool of the psychs,' etc.

These days, in the Scientology Freezone, the 1957 statement is sometimes interpreted as a warning about a possible takeover of Scientology by the evil Marcabians, etc.

It has nothing to do with Scientology being "free" as in "open," "transparent," "available for free or without $$$, or advocating free speech, or any other positive connotation that might reverberate in the mind of an unsuspecting person.

Thanks Veda. That's quite relevant.

Time and time again, I've read 'quotes' of this or that thrown about by the FZ 'political correspondent' Mark Baker who tries to use this type of misquoted LconH statement as a sort of proof that Sci's real intentions are/were designed by goodness.

I don't often know where to look to confirm if the offered 'testimony' is legit or what... but my intuition certainly 'sniffs out' the probability that it's just a twisting of otherwise bullshit Lcon babble....
 

lkwdblds

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Informative Post

"The work was free. Keep it so." That's from 1957. From 1950 through about 1971, Hubbard usually identified his perceived enemies as "communists" or "communist sympathizers." He wrote (1950s) letters to the FBI claiming people were communists. He concocted the (1955) "Russian Textbook on Psycho-politics" which had the Russian communists denouncing America, morality, and "Dianetics" (which in later printings was changed to "Church of Scientology.") In a confidential (1969) 'Scientology Intelligence tech' issue, he described the original publisher of 'DMSMH' as a communist and his 2nd wife as a Russian spy.

Then in 1971, with public opinion shifting (particularly amongst young people) largely due to the USA involvement in the Vietnam war, he changed to calling his perceived enemies "Nazis."

In 1957, when Hubbard stated that "The work was free. Keep it so," he was referring to his perceived enemies (who [he asserted] were mostly communists, communist sympathizers and, of course, generally, criminals and perverts), and needed to be watched, spied on, (and for rank and file members) ignored or disconnected from. Yes, even then.

Depending on the time period and the audience ('public'), the description of the perceived enemy changes. Nowadays, the main "buttons" seem to be "terrorist," and "criminal." To a Scientology audience, the main "button" is "psych" or "tool of the psychs,' etc.

These days, in the Scientology Freezone, the 1957 statement is sometimes interpreted as a warning about a possible takeover of Scientology by the evil Marcabians, etc.

It has nothing to do with Scientology being "free" as in "open," "transparent," "available for free or without $$$, or advocating free speech, or any other positive connotation that might reverberate in the mind of an unsuspecting person.

Good point about the Communists being the perceived enemy. Part of Hubbard's bio claims that he was approached by the communist government after Dianetics came out and offered a high paying government salary and the use of Pavlov's old laboratory if he would come and work for the Soviets.

I have cassette tapes for a series called the "Game of OT" from Dec 1955 to Feb 1956 on which Hubbard has a lecture called "The Anglo Saxon Mind" where he just lambasts German Science and education and calls mathematics a German developed "cancer" on all mankind, (which occassionally has some usefulness). I could not believe he was bashing German science and education in the mid 1950's.

I had thought all these years that he meant the work was free from the influences of vested interests and governments but you are probably correct that he was refering to a particular kind of vested interest which was his perceived enemy of that period, the Communisits. You make a good point that the perceived enemy changed as the years rolled by and with the audience he was speaking to, and he finally settled on "the Psychs". He claimed that psychiatric theories and tech were developed by Russians and Germans so that the Psychs automatically included two of his former enemies.

The last paragraph in your post really sums it up well and fully answers the question which Helluvahoax initially proposed.
Lkwdblds
 

Veda

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Good point about the Communists being the perceived enemy. Part of Hubbard's bio claims that he was approached by the communist government after Dianetics came out and offered a high paying government salary and the use of Pavlov's old laboratory if he would come and work for the Soviets.

I have cassette tapes for a series called the "Game of OT" from Dec 1955 to Feb 1956 on which Hubbard has a lecture called "The Anglo Saxon Mind" where he just lambasts German Science and education and calls mathematics a German developed "cancer" on all mankind, (which occassionally has some usefulness). I could not believe he was bashing German science and education in the mid 1950's.

I had thought all these years that he meant the work was free from the influences of vested interests and governments but you are probably correct that he was refering to a particular kind of vested interest which was his perceived enemy of that period, the Communisits. You make a good point that the perceived enemy changed as the years rolled by and with the audience he was speaking to, and he finally settled on "the Psychs". He claimed that psychiatric theories and tech were developed by Russians and Germans so that the Psychs automatically included two of his former enemies.

The last paragraph in your post really sums it up well and fully answers the question which Helluvahoax initially proposed.
Lkwdblds

Hubbard's (perceived and/or advertised) "enemies" definitely included big corporations, bankers, and research foundations. Hubbard has - in one statement - these as showing no interest in funding Dianetics/Scientology, and yet - in another statement - has them attacking Dianetics/Scientology because they can't own it.

So Hubbard's list of "enemies" was long, but (during the 1950s and 1960s) the "Communists" were at the top of the list.

Hubbard told so many tales, and was using his own 'Propaganda Tech' on others, including his own followers, for so long, that quoting his comments in lectures (and assorted inspirational writings to Scientologists) can be confusing to some who haven't decoded "trickster" Hubbard's methods. What's more confusing is that some of his writings (or at least writings attributed to him) appear to be brilliantly innovative and - yes - quite sane. I think it was a 'PAB' or 'Professional Auditors Bulletin' (guessing) that this "Keep it free" comment was appended to. This 'PAB' was, as I recall - practically - the pinnacle of sanity for Scientology, yet in the background, lurking, was Hubbard's nuttiness, paranoia, need to deceive and manipulate, and self serving hidden agenda; and it would be only a few months until (1958) Hubbard ordered another printing of his fraudulent "Russian Textbook on Psycho-politics," to be handed around so as to influence public opinion favorably toward Scientology, which was depicted as being attacked by Russian Communists.

However, Hubbard could vary his approach if it seemed advantageous to do so. He even briefly instructed that Scientology be identified as anti-Capitalist to a select audience.

In a 6 October 1965 (broadly circulated) 'Executive Letter' Hubbard announced, "McCarthyism has many faces. It is still abroad today."

And in another (non public) issue, 'Enquiry Rumor UK' of 9 February 1966, Hubbard (privately) explained:

"Couple the words psychiatry with Capitalism - allege that psychiatry is the Capitalist's tool. A Conservative opened the attack in the UK and found the Press beating the drum for us."

When this approach did not prove effective, Hubbard quickly resumed his prior long standing tactic of calling his enemies "communists," etc.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Hubbard's (perceived and/or advertised) "enemies" definitely included big corporations, bankers, and research foundations. Hubbard has - in one statement - these as showing no interest in funding Dianetics/Scientology, and yet - in another statement - has them attacking Dianetics/Scientology because they can't own it.

So Hubbard's list of "enemies" was long, but (during the 1950s and 1960s) the "Communists" were at the top of the list.

Hubbard told so many tales, and was using his own 'Propaganda Tech' on others, including his own followers, for so long, that quoting his comments in lectures (and assorted inspirational writings to Scientologists) can be confusing to some who haven't decoded "trickster" Hubbard's methods. What's more confusing is that some of his writings (or at least writings attributed to him) appear to be brilliantly innovative and - yes - quite sane. I think it was a 'PAB' or 'Professional Auditors Bulletin' (guessing) that this "Keep it free" comment was appended to. This 'PAB' was, as I recall - practically - the pinnacle of sanity for Scientology, yet in the background, lurking, was Hubbard's nuttiness, paranoia, need to deceive and manipulate, and self serving hidden agenda; and it would be only a few months until (1958) Hubbard ordered another printing of his fraudulent "Russian Textbook on Psycho-politics," to be handed around so as to influence public opinion favorably toward Scientology, which was depicted as being attacked by Russian Communists.

However, Hubbard could vary his approach if it seemed advantageous to do so. He even briefly instructed that Scientology be identified as anti-Capitalist to a select audience.

In a 6 October 1965 (broadly circulated) 'Executive Letter' Hubbard announced, "McCarthyism has many faces. It is still abroad today."

And in another (non public) issue, 'Enquiry Rumor UK' of 9 February 1966, Hubbard (privately) explained:

"Couple the words psychiatry with Capitalism - allege that psychiatry is the Capitalist's tool. A Conservative opened the attack in the UK and found the Press beating the drum for us."

When this approach did not prove effective, Hubbard quickly resumed his prior long standing tactic of calling his enemies "communists," etc.

Veda!

("work is free")

Really illuminating posts! Great stuff!

When Golden Era Productions sells the feature length documentary called "THE TRUE UNABRIDGED HISTORY OF SCIENTOLOGY", I believe you should be hired to write, direct and produce the bonus DVD materials.

Especially the: "Out-takes & Other Deleted Scenes from Scientology's True History that ended up on the cutting room floor."

In studying & understanding Scientology completely, the real BASIC BOOKS training package should make this kind of supplemental data mandatory reading.

HelluvaThanks!
 
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dontscamme

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Veda's posts make a good point about understanding phrases. Word clearing using dictionaries is often not sufficient to understand something in the way it was meant to be understood. Having a detailed knowledge of the history of a subject, and the historical tendencies of the author, is often necessary to actually achieve understanding.

Even then, historians often disagree on things, so a standard, uniform approach, which Study Tech purports to be, to achieve common understanding will not always work as intended, no matter how CERTAIN LRH was about it.
 
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