Sea Org? How to leave for good?

[Kookaburra]

I don't know for sure if the person want to leave, or mentally or emotionally ready to walk away. I'll hope to deliver my message and assist the person. At the end of the day it will be that person's decision to stay there or leave.

Ahhh, good information.

Do not discuss this by phone or by mail. Both are monitored closely. Visit the person. Arrange for a time that you can get together even if it's only for an hour or so, and don't even hint that it's anything but a casual cup of coffee or they will have a "minder" in tow to ensure you don't discuss anything about leaving or any "entheta" about the CoS.

Most important is that they know that you are there for them if and when they decide to go. Also tell them about the XSO phone number and about ESMB. They will decide to go, sooner or later. They should have your phone # so they can arrange for a ride to get them immediately away from the org and a place to stay and lie low for a few weeks. It is very important to have that support network on the outside.

Warn them not to "route out". The last person I knew who tried to do that was locked up and drugged for several weeks while they tried to instill commands while she was heavily drugged with some very heavy sedative that was garbling up her perception. I think they were trying some sort of Introspection RD as she must be psychotic if she wants to leave, LRH said so. Then when she tried to escape and someone called the cops, they claimed that she tried to commit suicide and that her injuries were self inflicted. At the hospital, she told them what happened she was labelled delusional and schizoprenic and drugged some more by the psychiatrist and ended up so brain damaged she can't even dress herself. So NOT the way to go. At best they will be doing manual labour under guard and allowed to talk to no-one and this may go on for a year or two.

Hopefully your friend will be with you soon.

 

[lkwdblds]

Lakey,

Not sure why you are still trying to "run out" the insanities of being a Sea Org member. . .

I read several of your posts about the "injustices" to you as well.

In order to help you sort out your Applied Religious Clusterfuck, we are going to need some outside professional help. That's why, even though I haven't asked him anything in the past 1-2 years, I have invited Commander Ex to make a special guest appearance on this thread.

HELPFUL HINT FROM COMMANDER EX

On "why LRH went out of his way to tell someone who
was already emotionally confused to such an extent that
he was routing out of the SO" that they were crazy and degraded

It's not that anyone was nutty and degraded for
wanting to route out of the Sea Org. It's that they were
nutty and degraded for wanting to route IN to the Sea Org.
And the earlier similar is believing that L. Ron Hubbard
was ever even slightly concerned about your physical,
spiritual, mental or financial welfare.
​

Helluva, you are totally wrong in everything you say in your above post but I detect concern and a willingness to help so I still like your post. My S.O. experiences have all been handled and are flat as a pancake. There is a bit of regret because of throwing away so much money over the decades which has left me short in my senior years. Even that is now handled as I picked up a well paying Construction Administrator job working 3 days a week from home, which added to my Social Security gives me a very handsome salary.

I am a mathematician and puzzle solver by trade and it has been very fruitful to have exchanges with other ex S.O. members on ESMB. Each case is unique but there are common threads which run through each of our stories. With 5 1/2 years here on ESMB, I am now in a position where I might be able to shed some light on things for people who have newly left COS and/or the S.O..

Thus there are two reasons why I rehash my stories. Primary is to attempt to help others and secondary is to share their stories and try to see commonalities present in all the various exit stories. I look at these types of things as a detached observer who has already figured out things for himself but is interested in reading more stories from others, especially those who have recently exited.

COS itself has changed considerably since I was in, way back when, and it has changed a lot since 2005 when I first started reading the internet. It is always interesting to read what happened with those who have left recently. There is a continual degradation in the stories, things are getting worse and worse for staff as the decades pass and one of the best ways to keep current is to read recent exit stories.
Lakey

 

[8-8008]

This "You are a DB, you are INSANE".... is soooooo BS.

I am saner being Outside of the SO.

I wish I could tell my kid that too and hopefully he would come out.

Too bad... I can't get any communication inside and my kid is toooo far away from my country

 

[Enthetan]

Ahhh, good information.

Do not discuss this by phone or by mail. Both are monitored closely. Visit the person. Arrange for a time that you can get together even if it's only for an hour or so, and don't even hint that it's anything but a casual cup of coffee or they will have a "minder" in tow to ensure you don't discuss anything about leaving or any "entheta" about the CoS.

Most important is that they know that you are there for them if and when they decide to go. Also tell them about the XSO phone number and about ESMB. They will decide to go, sooner or later. They should have your phone # so they can arrange for a ride to get them immediately away from the org and a place to stay and lie low for a few weeks. It is very important to have that support network on the outside.

Warn them not to "route out". The last person I knew who tried to do that was locked up and drugged for several weeks while they tried to instill commands while she was heavily drugged with some very heavy sedative that was garbling up her perception. I think they were trying some sort of Introspection RD as she must be psychotic if she wants to leave, LRH said so. Then when she tried to escape and someone called the cops, they claimed that she tried to commit suicide and that her injuries were self inflicted. At the hospital, she told them what happened she was labelled delusional and schizoprenic and drugged some more by the psychiatrist and ended up so brain damaged she can't even dress herself. So NOT the way to go. At best they will be doing manual labour under guard and allowed to talk to no-one and this may go on for a year or two.

Hopefully your friend will be with you soon.

All very good points.

I'm not sure, these days, if SO members are allowed to go off the grounds and "have coffee" with people, especially non-Scns who may facilitate a "blow". Do SO members even have "libs" any more? It's been many years for me.

Depending on circumstances, if you know she will want to leave, it may be good to have several large friends very discretely hanging around nearby, to deal with anybody who may forcibly try to prevent the "blow".

 

[8-8008]

All very good points.

I'm not sure, these days, if SO members are allowed to go off the grounds and "have coffee" with people, especially non-Scns who may facilitate a "blow". Do SO members even have "libs" any more? It's been many years for me.

Depending on circumstances, if you know she will want to leave, it may be good to have several large friends very discretely hanging around nearby, to deal with anybody who may forcibly try to prevent the "blow".

I agree with the "..;have several large friends...".

He or she is "volunteer" as per their new contract so people can leave and go as they wish isn't it