Thanks for bumping thread Ladybird - while somewhat confronting, it's beneficial to have the info.
We had only a couple of examples (that I know of) of such neglect in ANZO. While they were horrendous, some of us considered the occurrances as 'one offs' and attributed their cause, to that of a couple of militant type individuals - rather than an operating basis rampant within the ranks.
I didn't realize that Church workers were bound by those same types of rules. I'm not much of a lawyer. I knew they promised the moon, I just didn't realize it was in writing that they would cover medical or dental needs.
I'm not defending them, just anticipating their defense.
I remember a couple that went to the SO to LA, from Canada. At that time I thought, wow, they are going to the big time. A few months later the lady returned in need of an operation because the medical in Canada was inexpensive and provided by the government. I thought what a shoddy, cheap organization the SO was, they could not even provide her with the medical attention that she needed. One red flag up! I hope that they never returned after the operation.
This was likely Sharon Matheison. Her father was Rae Matheison. Sharon was about 11 or 12 years old, I think. She needed heart surgery as her heart was deffective. She was getting a routine type surgery, that should not have been risky at all, and she passed away during that surgery.
I always wondered if they had waited too long, or what was the deal. There were a lot of unanswered questions about it.
Sharon was someone I knew when I was younger, and I was very sad and sorry when she passed.
when did this happen Bea?? I never heard about it. Rae was a good friend of mine and I am very saddened to hear that he lost his daughter.
Bea, Did you know Matteo Galbiati? He was an Italian who joined the Sea org as teen in the early 80s with his parents Bianca and Gian Carlo and brother Andreas. He worked his way up to OT VII C/S, but was busted to the RPF at PAC when he developed a heart condition and had to have a pacemaker in 2000 or so.
If anyone knows Matteo, please ask him to pm me or call someone they trust. I can't bear the thought that he would think he owed a freeloader debt or was doing A to E after all the cult did to him and his family. I think he was offloaded in 2005 or so, as were his dad and brother, but his mom and wife were still in.
Matteo will never get back in due to his medical problems, though he is smart enough to make enough money to pay off his freeloader debt.
He is only one of many people who was used up and thrown under the bus by the cult. Unlike Uwe Stuckenbrock, Matteo still has a chance.
Bruce Gaines was still alive in 2004 when I left. He still has those heart troubles. I dont think they have done much to help him with it.
I worked across from him in the C/S office for a year. I dont recall any medical assistance given to him.
Though he got plenty of ethics and justice actions. And alot of grief. He really is a nice guy. I felt sorry for him.
I SO agree with you!
Something about Hubbard and Cof$'s screwed ideas about the body and sickness has annoyed me since I was a flamin' scio myself..
On the one hand the body is said to be a dispensable piece of MEST.. And yet scios have this fanatic resistance towards health care and the medical field. Like it's some kind of 'spiritual duty' to keep the body healthy by mind power alone.. Sickness being seen as evidence that you are out ethics too.. What -IS- all that crap?
It would make as much sense to do that with your car!
So the coolant pump quits working.. Just ignore it and drive on! - Car running up a temperature.. Ignore it and drive on. That shit is supposed to work. If it doesn't, then the cause is YOU, yourself being out ethics and banky. Handle that and the car will work fine!
That's something to ponder when the engine busts wide open on the highway.
That's what scinoes do with their own bodies. Just plow on until it breaks! - Mind over matter! - They don't give a shit! They take pride in that!
What's the rationale? - That the body is dispensable MEST isn't it? - Makes no sense. They don't really need a body.. Hubbard told them that.. Do you know anybody who managed without the body? - Compared to the car.. You can't just go BUY a new body!
Is the car or the body most dispensable?
Hey! - If the body is a just piece of MEST, why not tinker with it? - It's not like the damned meatball is any kind of sacred item or what? - Why the farkin' hell is this body thing trated like it's sacred shit not to be touched?
Is there some 'spiritual' gain to be had from not getting a body fixed? - Like that guy on the higway with the busted engine? - There's a spiritual win for you!
Ideally you don't even need a body! So says Hubbard...
The guy on the highway walks.. He doesn't really need a car either.. Or what?
Wake up, dammit! - Medical science is the 'body mechanics'. They have a quite workable technology! A tech with more books than $cientology has. With even fancier technical words too! - Life expectancy 500 years ago was 30.. that's with 15 years of toothache.. Today it's 75 without toothache!
Phfft! - $cientology and the Sea Org is about the only 3D's, that I can readily think of, who can't make health care work or even pay their staff. That's criminally ineffective!
There is a lot to say on the subject of staff welfare. I have a number of stories about staff medical care that are just off the top of my head. I have many, many more, so I decided to start a thread on it, so I can have a place to note them all.
Some of them are in my story. But it deserves its own thread.
As a child, being raised in the Sea Org, I was fortunately in good health and did not need much in the way of health care. At the age of 7 I needed stitches and was brought to Shaw Health Center (Scn doctor clinic in LA) and given care. I dont know if the org or my mother had to pay for it.
When I was 14 I fractured a bone in my foot. I was taken to the Childrens Hospital, which was just up the street from PAC Base. I know that this visit was not paid for. My mother got me a Social Security Card at the time and somehow, through government insurance of some sort, this was paid for. (I was young and did not follow up exactly).
As I was in the SO, and dealt a lot with staff welfare and care, I ran into a lot of things about this. Now, some critic (a critic of me, such as a member of the cult) could say that this was my resonsibility to handle the staff welfare, so really this is about myself and my neglect of the staff. But really. Lets confront this here. Its the system. The way it is set up.
Does the staff have medical insurance? And dental insurance? 401K? Vision?
As the SSO, I was given, on average, $200.00 per week to care for the staff. That is 200 staff. So one dollar per week, per staff member.
I tried to get little thises and thats paid for, but it was rather difficult. Mind you, the CO did try to help where possible. If there was a real medical problem with a staff member, he would do all he could to help financially to make sure that they were cared for. But that was only when things really got bad. Preventative was totally missing, except for the vitamins that I would purchase every week.
There are a couple of medical stories to be told here:
There was a security guard who was ill for 3 days with a headache. He could not work. I went to see him (nobody bothered to even tell me he was out ill until the third day) and saw a VERY PALE and weak person. He said his head was killing him. I decided to send him to the doctors. I brought him to Shaw and dropped him off. By the time I got back to CCI, I already had an urgent call from Dr Shields. She told me I had to RUSH him to a hospital and get him a blood transfusion immediately or he would die. He had already lost 3 pints of blood. (He did not tell me this when I saw him). Even though there are hospitals ALL AROUND the PAC Base, did I go to any of them? No. We went all the way out to County Hospital, in Sylmar, which is about 20 - 25 minute drive. He did make it, thank goodness. The reason we did that was to save on cost. County hospital can be free if you know how to work the system. At least back then it was. They changed it for a small fee since then.
Another person I knew, who was on the RPF, but still, he is a SOLO NOTs C/S, and so for that, should be considered valuable to the church. He was having heart problems and long story short, he needed a pacemaker. It was all done by interns at the downtown LA hospital. For cost reasons.
Maybe some lives could have been saved, if medical insurance existed, and people were not made wrong and made to feel they had case on post if they have a medical condition. I know there are friends and family of Natalie Ellis (may she rest in peace) read here, but I feel obligated to mention this:
In these cases of cancer showing up when they are too far advanced to do anything about them..... could they have been prevented had insurance been available and they could get checked out early enough that it could save their lives? Off hand, I could list a lot of people who lost their lives to cancer. Could they have been prevented by proper medical checkups, which do not exist in the SO?
To you, those who did not survive cancer (I love you all):
And Felicia Balentine, who passed away from complications from the flu.
May you all rest in peace.
(More stories to come. And please, add your own)