Seizures: A Tech Question

[tessa]

Seizures:A tech Question

http://drlwilson.com/Articles/epilepsy.htm Here is some contradictory info to Tech question.tessa

 

[Bea Kiddo]

Most likely Topamax

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topamax

which prevents seizures and migraine headaches. It has also been used "off label" to treat bipolar disorder. Was the person taking it considered an illegal PC?

Depends what year it was. If it was between 91 and 96, yes, illegal. Then a big push on "if not administered by a psyche, then not illegal" (even though its the same drugs.

It was considered mind altering and a no-no.

Nobody would be allowed on OT levels on a drug, for sure.

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

Thanks: I'm talking about auditing tech, not medical tech. He's already being seen by a doctor. I'm not looking to necessarily prevent seizures, particularly if they have a bodily cause. I am looking to spot anything connected to it and handle it. If that happens to proof him against further seizures, then that's awesome. My objective, really, is to make sure that the seizures don't cause changes in his personality or life that reduce his reach.

Hulda Clarke's material is way off-base to be called medical, it's more homoeopathic. Like any theory, she's dogmatic about it, but some of material works very well.

 

[everfree]

Depends what year it was. If it was between 91 and 96, yes, illegal. Then a big push on "if not administered by a psyche, then not illegal" (even though its the same drugs.

It was considered mind altering and a no-no.

Nobody would be allowed on OT levels on a drug, for sure.

Yah, that's what I figured. Things like that are open to interpretation and the verdict will depend on the C/S d'jour as well as the hobbyhorse currently being run by management.

Another example, I had a friend who was temporarily declared illegal because she took Zyban for a week on the recommendation of her doctor to help her stop smoking. Zyban was originally used as an antidepressant so even though it wasn't prescribed by a "psych" or for mental reasons some PAC C/S or another declared her illegal. She was eventually able to successfully fight it, but in my experience it will probably come up again when another C/S comes on the scene with their own interpretation...

I would imagine that any seizure medication like topamax or dilantin which are brain affecting -- even though they aren't being prescribed by "psychs" or used to treat psychiatric issues -- will cause similar problems.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Some of those stop smoking meds inhibit brain receptors which probably makes them a bit like SSRIs.

 

[Bea Kiddo]

Yah, that's what I figured. Things like that are open to interpretation and the verdict will depend on the C/S d'jour as well as the hobbyhorse currently being run by management.

Another example, I had a friend who was temporarily declared illegal because she took Zyban for a week on the recommendation of her doctor to help her stop smoking. Zyban was originally used as an antidepressant so even though it wasn't prescribed by a "psych" or for mental reasons some PAC C/S or another declared her illegal. She was eventually able to successfully fight it, but in my experience it will probably come up again when another C/S comes on the scene with their own interpretation...

I would imagine that any seizure medication like topamax or dilantin which are brain affecting -- even though they aren't being prescribed by "psychs" or used to treat psychiatric issues -- will cause similar problems.

Well, there was a phase where any psyche drug would make someone considered illegal.

One consistency is all the C/Ses ran on the same information for the same time period. So all would say illegal, or all would say not illegal. The C/Ses themselves were kept consistent. The tech was not. Sorry to say.

So, depending on the latest information, whether they are illegal or not depends.

But honestly, no matter what, under any circumstances, one week is not extensive and therefore should have never been considered illegal.

Except C/Ses being threatened with justice if they ever let one illegal by. And that is when everyone gets labelled illegal.

Sorry its so vague.

But that is STANDARD TECH, run in the SO, overseen by RTC.

Hope this brings all you new Scientologists hopes up!!!

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

I've had better personal results since I've started taking Alprazolam (Xanax) than I ever experienced in the org. With the right combination of vitamins, I was so f'g OT that I didn't know how to handle it.

I found out what clairvoyance was. I found out what adolescence was. I had postulates coming back in faster than I could put them out. Even though I was travelling a great distance every two weeks, I had no shortage of money. When something horrible happened (I parked "on-post"), I could stay VGIs...

AND THEN the doctor who was treating me got struck off, and I've lost the magic combination of vitamins.

It was a great ride while it lasted.

 

[programmer_guy]

Ask An Educator: Is it Epilepsy or Sugar Low Seizures?

http://www.dlife.com/dLife/do/ShowContent/inspiration_expert_advice/expert_columns/garnero_0605.html

He may be border-line diabetic.

He should see a medical doctor (or a specialist) about this... not an SCN auditor.

 

[gomorrhan]

Who said anything about a SCN auditor! Sheesh! I may take him in session, but not BEFORE he saw a doctor, and only as a supplemental action, not as a substitute. I talked to him tonight, and he says it wasn't a sugar low problem (we're aware of this, it has been a problem in my family: diabetes, and borderline: my mother had a few seizures due to sugar lows at about his age), as he'd had a very good meal for breakfast. He had his son in a snuggly, and was walking down the street after a great night's sleep (which I'd have if I was sleeping with his wife, too) when he started to feel lightheaded. Next thing he knew, they'd wrestled the snuggly off him, and he was starting to seize. Next thing he knew after that was that he was trying to fight orderlies off as he arrived at the hospital, telling them he was fine, but unable to answer questions about how old he was, where he was, etc. Apparently the seizure went on for about five minutes. My brother is a very powerfully built man, and nothing short of a sumo wrestler could have restrained him, so he injured himself pretty good in the process. He's still recovering, feeling sleepy and a bit depressed, probably also due to the medication he has started (I forget the name of it, nothing I've heard of before). He's going to go in for a battery of examinations in a few weeks. My bet is diabetes, because seizures aren't common in my family (no history of it, except my mother and her brother, who were both diabetic, although my mothers diabetes only expressed when she drank alcohol: my uncles was severe and he had several comas including the one that killed him). That would actually be good news, in my opinion, because a known diabetes is extremely manageable, whereas an unknown and therefore totally unpredictable seizure disorder is a whole different animal. Thanks, though.

 

[programmer_guy]

Who said anything about a SCN auditor! Sheesh! I may take him in session, but not BEFORE he saw a doctor, and only as a supplemental action, not as a substitute.

bold emphasis mine

I'm concerned, and wondering if others have advice as to handle seizures from a tech perspective. I'm considering hitting him with something like R3R concerning it, but was wondering if anyone knew of any contraindications, or any other procedures that might be more advisable.

I don't believe that a session will help unless there is some psycho-somatic part in it. Yes... sometimes it might help a person mentally to just talk about it in addition to medical assistance. But the medical assistance is what is needed... not R3R.

Anyway, I'll get off of this for now.

I hope your brother does well.

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

Request pathology tests on:

• Full Blood Count
• Electrolytes/Liver Function Tests
• Viral Serology I.G.G., I.G.M. including
- EBV, (Epstein-Barr Virus)
- CMV, (Cytomegalic Virus)
- RRV, (Ross River Virus)
- Herpes, (Type 1 & 2)
- Hepatitis, (A, B, & C)
- Barmah Forest Virus,
- Flavo Virus (a group including Dengue Fever and Murray Valley Encephalitis, etc.)
• Lymphocyte Subset Tests
• Thyroid Function Tests

I contracted CMV in-utero, and have deformed neck vertebrae as a result (can auditing fix that?). The viral serology is often overlooked, but if your brother has a high antibody count, suggesting that he has previously been infected, his immune system may well be in overdrive. If you want more info, email me and I'll attach a document in reply.