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Sen. Xenophon calls for "cult watchdog" agency

Discussion in 'Australia and New Zealand' started by mnql1, Apr 15, 2011.

  1. Annonny

    Annonny Guest

    That's exactly what worries me - I hope Xenophon knows what he is dealing with and taking precautions against the CoS.
  2. the-ghostwhowalks

    the-ghostwhowalks Patron with Honors

    great post !

    Absloutely bloody brilliant ! :clap:
  3. Thrak

    Thrak Gold Meritorious Patron

    And you know somewhere IAS dreges are chasing people down to "brief" them and tell them they should re-mortgage their homes to handle the "suppression" happening in Australia. :puke:
  4. Cherished

    Cherished Silver Meritorious Patron

    Nick is in federal parliament. Like the USA, the states have plenary power to govern everything! But the federal government's power is limited to those areas granted to it in the constitution.

    However, like the USA, the federal government CAN act in areas not within its constitutional power where the states refer their powers to the Commonwealth. So, there are ways around it.


    I love Nick Xenophon. I just do.
  5. Cherished

    Cherished Silver Meritorious Patron

    I'm pretty sure they've looked and found nothing. As I recall, they made a statement about Nick in March 2010 or thereabouts to the effect that he's a good man, but he's being manipulated by the evil psychs (Professor Patrick McGorry).

    Nick is taking on the clubs industry in Australia, battling their use of poker machines. That industry is much more capable than OSA of shutting people up - and they haven't managed to shut Nick up for the 3 years he has been in federal parliament, plus however many he was in state parliament before that as the "No Pokies" senator.
  6. Arthur Dent

    Arthur Dent Silver Meritorious Patron

    Agreed. The church, in spite of it's internal chaplain, qual, etc. doesn't really have a needed and arms-legnth ombudsman.

    They likely can't find anything and I hope Sen. Xenophon is alert to the possibility of them trying to set him up in light of that.

  7. Sydney

    Sydney Patron


    Wait wait, we should change our name to OZ, then the acronym would be ROO!!

    OMG OMG and instead of a President we could declare him "Wizard!!!"

    XENU for 1st wizard of OZ!!!

    Oh and back on topic,


  8. Mystic

    Mystic Crusader

    Jack definitely needs ripping.
  9. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill

    I think that government involvement in personal affairs is a slippery slope. But, having said that, it's my observation that most laws and local rules come into being because of problems that were observed.

    Remember in school when the teacher would make some rule or something and it would be because of one or two kids and the rest of us would have to suffer or put up with the new restriction?

    That's how most laws are and that's how most watchdog agencies and other things are.

    There is ALWAYS a danger of things like this leading to a nanny or big brother state. We often hear weird news stories of governments taking draconian action instead of using judgment against someone who didn't really do much of anything.

    An example:

    It used to be that nobody did much for the rights of children, then it turned into a huge huge overkill thing. People lost their businesses, as they were accused of having Satanic rituals and doing stuff to the kids. It was all lies, witchhunting and hysteria.

    OTOH, it used to be that no one would stand up for a child or that it rarely happened. Such as when I got molested. I had the guy's name!! But, noooo....child abuse wasn't FASHIONABLE then. So they did nothing.

    What we need is a happy medium.

    Another example:

    I sure hope this one isn't true. But I read a couple years ago that some guy who had a humorous cartoon porn pic of the Simpsons got arrested in Australia for child porn. Never mind the fact that it's A) A cartoon and B) the Simpsons have been around so long that even Maggie is technically "Of age".

    So yeah, I worry about a nanny state and with damn good reason.

    But in the end, I would support a cult watchdog agency. I'm sick of there being horrific abuses that are clearly illegal and the government doesn't do anything. Why don't they? They were sure quick to go in and completely bungle Waco. And shoot a woman in the back at Ruby Ridge.

    In the end, we have no perfect solutions. If we ask for help and get it, we may get more things that can cause problems later. But if we don't, then people imprisoned in the RPF or in other cults may never get any help or support or have their plight reach the public's attention.

    So I'll take the imperfect solution, please.
  10. smartone

    smartone My Own Boss

    Thanks Panda Termindt, Jump and Cherished for the explanation. Why do these governments make things soooo complicated, sheesh.

    We have a flipping referendum coming up next month and nobody can wrap their minds around it enough to vote yes or no :nervous:
  11. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    The website of Lyon Webzine reports that a delegation from the French cult-monitoring agency MIVILUDES is travelling from France to Canberra this weekend at the invitation of the Senate of Australia.

    As mentioned in the OP, it was reported earlier this year that Senator Xenophon is recommending that Australia establish an agency similar to France's MIVILUDES.
  12. Ogsonofgroo

    Ogsonofgroo Crusader

    Interesting! (and I think a step in the right direction too, hopefully other nations take heed as well, especially in North America as this society has bred some doozies).

    Go go go Auzzies!

  13. scooter

    scooter Gold Meritorious Patron

    It is to appear at a conference next Wednesday at Parliament House - see

    Any folks who would like to go and haven't registered yet should do so.:yes:

    And may I suggest you take your recording devices so we can have much vid uploaded for all to share - there will be many interesting speakers.:happydance:
  14. Petey C

    Petey C Silver Meritorious Patron

    Right on, Scooter. Professor Pat McGorry will also be a speaker, as well as Senators Boyce and Xenophon. Should be a good show!
  15. Happy Days

    Happy Days Silver Meritorious Patron

    We're looking forward to going and listening to some great speakers. :thumbsup:

    Great to catch up with our friends too :yes::yes:
  16. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    A first report about MIVILUDES president Georges Fenech's visit to Australia has appeared in the Sydney Morning Herald:

  17. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    Jehovah's Witnesses 'a cruel cult
    by Chris Johnston
    The Age, March 15, 2013
  18. Purple Rain

    Purple Rain Crusader

    The French have shown how you do this thing. Any government who hides behind the rhetoric of "too hard" could say that just as well about spousal abuse or child abuse. What politicians act upon or otherwise shows what they value. It's nice that Nick Xenophon cares about cultic abuse. It would be nicer if Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott could say the same.

    They should all watch Tiziano's video IMHO!
  19. Sydney

    Sydney Patron

    A good article, I was particularly annoyed by the Australian spokesman for Jehovahs Witnesses comments I actually know Vince met him on a number of occaisions, sounds like he's playing too much the lawyer In this case to flat out lie the way he did claiming shunning is "just a myth"
    I know of several instances where he was present personally at people been reproved and disfellowshipped.:no: