Setting a good example.

[I told you I was trouble]

I am pleased that I am still being taken seriously here.

IAAS

Well, of course you are 'still' being taken seriously here, and I am very seriously pleased that you are ... pleased.





Serious
Definition: somber, humorless

Synonyms: austere, bound, bound and determined, businesslike, cold sober, contemplative, deadpan, deliberate, determined, downbeat, earnest, funereal, genuine, go for broke, grave, grim, honest, intent, long-faced, meditative, no-nonsense, pensive, pokerfaced, reflective, resolute, resolved, sedate, set, severe, sincere, sober, solemn, staid, steady, stern, thoughtful, unhumorous, unsmiling, weighty



Antonyms: flippant, funny, happy, light



Now ... tell us some more of your funny stories please (we like funny stories here) and I promise I will do my best not to laugh ... seriously.

 

[x-x]

You might have met me, but you don't know me.

If Scientology was able to deliver even 50% of its claims, then yes, most likely, I'd still be there.

I did want to help people. I loved the idea of ridding myself and others of unwanted conditions and creating a saner world.

But Scientology failed me, as it has failed every single Ex on this board and around the world.

There are no Clears. There are no OTs. There is cruelty, fraud, deception and the odd little win just to keep you alive.

Sure I deserved wins from Scientology. I worked bloody hard and sacrificed a hell of a lot. But so did many, many others and their stories all have similar endings to mine.

Did you train as a Class 4 auditor?

Many people have achieved results in Scientology, but it does have to be done right. I don't invalidate those who have not succeeded.

I welcome you for having been there and wish you success in or out of Scientology.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Many people have achieved results in Scientology, but it does have to be done right. I don't invalidate those who have not succeeded.

Confucius Formula Say...

Human who is covert, invalidative troll...
Dreams of lying successfully about all four.​

 

[thetanic]

Did you train as a Class 4 auditor?

If you'd read Emma's posts long enough, you'd know she'd been an auditor.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

x-x, the "you did not succeed" or "you don't know how auditing is" type line is something I see lobbed by Scn'ists quite a bit at critics. It's really a red herring straw man type argument. I had the same sort of one lobbed at me on yahoo answers even though I'd said many times there that I thought auditing was greatly beneficial. But it's something I think church members are taught to say-- that critics have losses, if they're exes, well, they just couldn't cut it, their auditing went wrong, they couldn't deliver it, didn't have gains from receiving it. And thing is, those who employ that argument keep doing so no matter how many times the ex member tells them, no, hey, I did fine, I liked this and that, I left because of XYZ and not ABC.

I'm disappointed to see you spouting such a familiar program. It's a bit like seeing a tape being played or, I suppose, a .wav file or MP3 these days.

I'd like to invite you to review and examine these things that you were told about critics, ex members and so on, and get rid of your preconceived ideas that were fed to you to begin with.

And, yes, I do know the Scn-ese for everything I wrote above...I just chose not to use it.

 

[Anonycat]

Did you train as a Class 4 auditor?

Many people have achieved results in Scientology, but it does have to be done right. I don't invalidate those who have not succeeded.

I welcome you for having been there and wish you success in or out of Scientology.

Funny how you always mention Sci. You may have noticed pretty much all of us have done Sci, some the entire bridge. The results don't exist. The tech is a lie. Do you know an OT who has cause over MEST? Did your IQ go up a point for every hour of auditing? Of course not. Ron said a thetan can be weighed on a scale! Oh, the laughs you're missing out on!

When you do wake up and smell the coffee, I'll enjoy hearing what you have to say about the criminal cult you were once duped by. We were. How can I help you wake up?

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Speaking for myself and speaking in regard to things quite a few people have told me or posted-- a lot of members tend to leave CofS due to the way it treats the person. But even that does go back to what Emma said-- it doesn't deliver what's promised. That doesn't mean that auditing doesn't do anything or whatever. It means (to me, anyway, if not to anyone else) that here we're told we can think for ourselves, communicate freely, that it will help us in our lives, then people find their lives destroyed by enforced disconnection, abortions, arbitraries, sometimes gang bang sec checks, roll backs, extraneous and insane ethics handlings...all this goes against the promises made by Hubbard and CofS- by Scn itself.

Even people who genuinely liked giving and getting auditing often opine as I've mentioned above. And then it leads a person to think, well, if they lied about the self determinism, communication, better life...what else did they lie about? Scn business owners- more ethical than others? Puh-lease!!! No, they aren't. They're often MAJOR SHITHEADS. OTs- stable, can always do the OT phenomena? Never met one who stably could and I'm someone who tends to BELIEVE the OT Phenomena stories in Advance Mag.

I think it's rarer to find examples of delivery of promised products in Scn than to try and count all the many many many times the promises didn't materialize. Meaning- the promises made are legion. The breakage of those is just about as numerous. The times the promises are kept? Scarce as hen's teeth.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Funny how you always mention Sci. You may have noticed pretty much all of us have done Sci, some the entire bridge. The results don't exist. The tech is a lie. Do you know an OT who has cause over MEST? Did your IQ go up a point for every hour of auditing? Of course not. Ron said a thetan can be weighed on a scale! Oh, the laughs you're missing out on!

When you do wake up and smell the coffee, I'll enjoy hearing what you have to say about the criminal cult you were once duped by. We were. How can I help you wake up?

I don't have anything against anyone liking Scn tech or feeling results can be gotten from it. Ppl in the FZ- even in the church- sometimes do have great experiences with auditing and the like. I don't think the reality is anywhere near what was PROMISED, though. I think it's a matter of degree. But if you go by the promises made in the glossy brochures and by Hubbard- well, those specific promises are not kept.

But I do not much care for the you need to wake up/it's all shit viewpoint. A lot of people do get some benefit from Scn auditing, particularly outside the cult. It's not the only good thing out there and it clearly cannot replace everything as Hubbard WANTED, but I reject the either/or attitude, anyway.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

But I do not much care for the you need to wake up/it's all shit viewpoint. (---snip----)....but I reject the either/or attitude, anyway.

Yo Gangsta!

I agree (kinda):

1) I would never advise everyone that they need to wake up/it's all shit. Particularly, former Sea Org members who I routinely advise to get some sleep/it's all shit.

2) I also concur that doing the Bridge is a collaborative effort between Scientology and the person, both contributing. It's not all bad. Just the part contributed by Ron. The part the person contributes is nonetheless very good, in spite of that.
​

 

[Carmel]

Confucius Formula Say...

Human who is covert, invalidative troll...
Dreams of lying successfully about all four.​

Ah, what a fuckin' beaut response to that insidious attempt at invalidation. Spot on, I love it!!!

I look forward to the *Mr Confucius Guy* popping in more often and calling it as it is.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Ah, what a fuckin' beaut response to that insidious attempt at invalidation. Spot on, I love it!!!

I look forward to the *Mr Confucius Guy* popping in more often and calling it as it is.

C,

Oh hell, first you inspired the creation of COMMANDER EX.

Now, you inspired the creation of MR CONFUCIUS GUY.

What the hell are you, some kind of freakin' MUSE???!!

(yes....thanks!)

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Hi all,

Thanks for the comments to my last thread "Advice to Carmel". Emma has seen fit to end the thread, just when I was writing some replies. I check in daily usually. I put the post in new member introductions using an old bookmark, sorry about that. As the thread is dead I sent PMs to a few.

I can take your insults, some I got a laugh out of. I know you wanted to defend Carmel.

I am in this board because I find it interesting. I like many of you.

I won't raise other matters put to bed with the thread but I still say that while I don't know what is going on in OSA currently, CO OSA ANZO would not poison anyone's dog.

I think it is important, even if you believe bad of the Church, that you set an example of conduct. Do unto others as you would have them do to you, otherwise you are no better than what you oppose.

I seem to be becoming more Christian, Love thy enemy. I certainly believe in the Code of Honor. I am loyal to former comrades, no matter what they go through or where they end up.

Anyhow, I'll probably cop more flack, so fire away!

It always seemed to me that the rules of the game within scientology were and are very simple (and the punishments were and are very severe if you didn't play).

Rules.

1. Do exactly as you are told ... and be 'uptone' about it (act if you have to).

2. Accredit every life 'win' to scientology completely (act if you have to).

3. Lie ... about any negatives or out PR situations (act if you have to).


We stopped playing the cultic acting game.

You didn't.

So, enjoy your chosen game ... I hope it turns out well for you and enjoy the certs and medals etc ... they are your acting awards and you will earn them.

 

[namaste]

Did you train as a Class 4 auditor?

Many people have achieved results in Scientology, but it does have to be done right. I don't invalidate those who have not succeeded.

I welcome you for having been there and wish you success in or out of Scientology.

So, Emma? What did YOU do wrong?

I so wish that Hubbard were alive right now just so I could drop a note in the SO#1 box telling him to shove KSW1 right up his ass.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

It always seemed to me that the rules of the game within scientology were and are very simple (and the punishments were and are very severe if you didn't play).

Rules.

1. Do exactly as you are told ... and be 'uptone' about it (act if you have to).

2. Accredit every life 'win' to scientology completely (act if you have to).

2. Lie ... about any negatives or out PR situations (act if you have to).

We stopped playing the cultic acting game.

You didn't.

So, enjoy your chosen game ... I hope it turns out well for you and enjoy the certs and medals etc ... they are your acting awards and you will earn them.

Brilliant! All of it!

 

[x-x]

You are saying that you are ex-OSA and wrote a KR on DM.
Can you post a copy of it?

Michel.

Ex DSA ie org level.


Thursday December 3, 2009
REPORTS OFF RTC

from (deleted)

Alter-Is Report

David Miscavige

David Miscavige has been reported to have used physical violence on staff members by Mark Rathbun.
Any such use is a misunderstanding of Scientology, any reference to banging heads in tech is purely figurative.
Rathbun also reports on prolonged lower ethics conditions of management terminals.
Rathbun reports on IAS money being spent on David's personal lifestyle.
Although Rathbun has tarnished his case by leaving these matters are serious enough to warrant
independent investigation by Scientologists of comparable magnitude to David.
The IAS is flat out selling "status". This is akin to a "licence to survive", and absurd that a donation of
money creates status in Scientology.
Orgs are constantly getting donations from the public instead of delivering for exchange. AOSH ANZO
was built from scratch in short time, why does every Scientologist on the planet have to pay for new AOs?
The whole approach seems to demonstrate the "take" case as described in PDC lecture 52 "Memory (not
human memory)". However in the past I have personally originated donations for airfares for staff to open up
my home state of Tasmania.
I can think of various upstat terminals whose cases are not moving such as (deleted) Staff do not
have cases but when they produce you do audit them and they produce more.
On the positive side I am 100% behind the basics campaign, I think it is the most significant programme
since LRH handed over management. Continuing to push it is also very standard management.
I recently visited AOSH ANZO and was impressed with the tone of the org and staff. I am proud to be
part of the group of (deleted) which is in as good shape as I have ever known it.
I believe in the integrity of the group, ref An Essay on Management
August 1951, Tech Vol 1. I don't prejudge the outcome of these matters.

...............
Please note that I do not prejudge the guilt of anyone.
This is a request for a comm ev.
I have had no reply.

The only thing worse than an x is an x-x

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Ex DSA ie org level.


Thursday December 3, 2009
REPORTS OFF RTC

from (deleted)

Alter-Is Report

David Miscavige

David Miscavige has been reported to have used physical violence on staff members by Mark Rathbun.
Any such use is a misunderstanding of Scientology, any reference to banging heads in tech is purely figurative.
Rathbun also reports on prolonged lower ethics conditions of management terminals.
Rathbun reports on IAS money being spent on David's personal lifestyle.
Although Rathbun has tarnished his case by leaving these matters are serious enough to warrant
independent investigation by Scientologists of comparable magnitude to David.
The IAS is flat out selling "status". This is akin to a "licence to survive", and absurd that a donation of
money creates status in Scientology.
Orgs are constantly getting donations from the public instead of delivering for exchange. AOSH ANZO
was built from scratch in short time, why does every Scientologist on the planet have to pay for new AOs?
The whole approach seems to demonstrate the "take" case as described in PDC lecture 52 "Memory (not
human memory)". However in the past I have personally originated donations for airfares for staff to open up
my home state of Tasmania.
I can think of various upstat terminals whose cases are not moving such as (deleted) Staff do not
have cases but when they produce you do audit them and they produce more.
On the positive side I am 100% behind the basics campaign, I think it is the most significant programme
since LRH handed over management. Continuing to push it is also very standard management.
I recently visited AOSH ANZO and was impressed with the tone of the org and staff. I am proud to be
part of the group of (deleted) which is in as good shape as I have ever known it.
I believe in the integrity of the group, ref An Essay on Management
August 1951, Tech Vol 1. I don't prejudge the outcome of these matters.

...............
Please note that I do not prejudge the guilt of anyone.
This is a request for a comm ev.
I have had no reply.

The only thing worse than an x is an x-x

You know you won't get one ... you broke rule number 1.

 

[Carmel]

<snip>
The only thing worse than an x is an x-x

Nup, it's more .......There's nothing sadder or more pathetic than a Scio who hasn't the slightest concept of what an ex is (or what it feels like), pretending that they *were* an ex, pretending now to be an ex ex.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Nup, it's more .......There's nothing sadder or more pathetic than a Scio who hasn't the slightest concept of what an ex is (or what it feels like), pretending that they *were* an ex, pretending now to be an ex ex.

Yep, that is pretty sad (and pathetic).

 

[Illegal Alien]

x-x I am so proud of you as a Scientologist

You go boy you can show them

Write those reports.

Be a responsible Scientologists and report what you see, hope that goes well for you

Remember feel free to post any response you get here.

Should no response arrive then look in the mirror and
and continue with your quest.

Good luck

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Nup, it's more .......There's nothing sadder or more pathetic than a Scio who hasn't the slightest concept of what an ex is (or what it feels like), pretending that they *were* an ex, pretending now to be an ex ex.

Geez, X-X...........

* pretending to be a Clear; then...
* pretending to be an Operating Thetan; then...
* pretending you were salvaging this sector of the universe; then...
* pretending to be an Ex-Scientologist; then....
* pretending to be an Ex-Ex Scientologist; then....
* pretending that all the above were not lies; then...
* pretending to be in com with people on ESMB; then...
* pretending to not know that everyone knows you are pretending.
​

I am sure that after I analyze it with Ron's Data Series, I will be able to detect the common out-point.