Setting a good example.

[Outethicsofficer]

"He made me realise that Scientology has alot to offer people unwilling
to accept reality and responsibility. First you can blame engrams, and
the reactive mind for all your problems; all those pre-natals. You can
blame all those past lives; with their engrams and overts. You can
blame all those misunderstood words, and unconfessed overts. You can
blame your unclean body and do the purif. You can claim PTSness and
blame some "suppressive person". You can blame the evil conspiracy of
the psych's. You can blame between lives implant stations. You can
blame an out ethics situation. If you still haven't realised how to
cope with your own emotions, confront reality and find solutions to
your problems instead of searching for someone or something to blame
you've still got all those body thetans and that cursed Xenu left."

Louise Cook.


James

 

[Type4_PTS]

You say you don't have a reference on this? I suppose it is because I am OT and have been in Scientology 35 years that I can act freely with policy. The Way to Happiness, Chapter 9: "Don't do anything Illegal", Chapter 10: "Support a Government designed and run for all the people"

If you go back and read what I wrote, you'll see that that's not what I said.
But you already know this x-x.

Hubbard didn't put his policies of how to run scientology organizations in "The Way To Happiness" booklet in which you referred me to. Those are contained in the HCO PL's, Flag Orders, and Advices. Please direct me to the reference from Hubbard directing staff and Sea Org members to pick up the phone and call the police when they have witnessed or suspect a crime.
There IS policy on how to report a crime but contacting the police isn't part of it. I guess that that's why DM didn't realize that he was supposed to contact the police when violent crimes were eventually reported to him? And I guess that that's why the other Sea Org members who witnessed or were victim to the violence also failed to call the police? I'm beginning to see a pattern here.

 

[byte301]

Oh hai Jan.

"It is the job of the Legal Officer in the DSA/OSA to make sure laws are being followed."

Ah. So this person would be the fall guy then when the police aren't called. And they aren't called except when a "wog" does some dastardly deed to a scilon are they? Like when they show up in front of one of your empty orgs and exercise their right to free speech.

 

[Outethicsofficer]

"It is the job of the Legal Officer in the DSA/OSA to make sure laws are being followed."

Ah. So this person would be the fall guy then when the police aren't called. And they aren't called except when a "wog" does some dastardly deed to a scilon are they? Like when they show up in front of one of your empty orgs and exercise their right to free speech.

Just from what I discern I believe XX to be Jane Devlin/Whitta/Jentzcsh.

James

 

[Carmel]

Xenophon was conspiring to attack the Church the whole way along.

You say "attack", Xen might say "expose" - When it comes to the CofS though, I'd agree that it's one in the same - "Truth revealed", you'd think, would be a good thing, but I can see that a request of the CofS to reveal the truth, would indeed be perceived as an "attack".

Yep, Xen has been headed in the right direction on so many issues in this country, including the activity of the CofS behind closed doors - It's a joy to have a Senator who is so willing to put all the cards on the table, without political agenda that prevents him from doing so. He is one who indeed has "set a good example" - May other Senators in this country and other countries, take his lead.

As has been said, an Inquiry into the CofS wouldn't be a problem to the CofS if it had nothing to hide. After all the media these past six months, one not in the loop would have to wonder why the CofS isn't saying "bring it on".

 

[Carmel]

Just from what I discern I believe XX to be Jane Watts/Whitta/Jentzcsh.

James

That makes more sense. Not Jan E's style, but yeah, Jane J and another who worked with both Jan and Jane, *would* fit the bill.

*Who* it is, isn't the issue though........It's more what they still *are*, and what they are attempting to do.

 

[Outethicsofficer]

That makes more sense. Not Jan E's style, but yeah, Jane J and another who worked with both Jan and Jane, *would* fit the bill.

*Who* it is, isn't the issue though........It's more what they still *are*, and what they are attempting to do.

Yes Carmel,
I agree well the game becomes getting them, we have the advantage of being everywhere and they can only be where they are, stuck in the cult to nowhere.

XX is quiet on the point I raised though, it seems we may be close.

Cheers
James

 

[DartSmohen]

X-X. The games we play

It has been interesting to see how many of the readers on this thread inadvertently give X-X the oxygen of publicity.

I have no doubt that X-X firmly believes he/she/it is "doing the right thing" in seeking to enturbulate board members. Anything that generates forment in the "opposition" is deemed a good thing.:confused2:

Clearly, X-X has had to rely on what they have "learned" about Hubbard from the various "adjusted" texts that the cult have produced. This has produced a somewhat brainwashed individual who has been tasked with the job of causing rifts and friction.

I, on the other hand, can rely on my own direct experience covering many years, of working with and closely interacting with Hubbard, his family and inner sanctum of supporters. There some other board members who can also do the same.

Hubbard was a complex person. He could be kind and then psychotic. He was a consumate liar and self aggrandiser. He had a well known history of drug abuse, drank frequently, was a womaniser, fathered at least one child outside his marriage and was a felon-at-large when he passed away.

Now, this probably won't sit well with X-X. After all, it clashes with the spoon-fed "history" they have been given.

So, rather than reacting to this person's attempts to cause chaos, you should show kindness and pity toward X-X. After all, they are basically, "damaged goods" and living in such a psychotic mindset and state you should take the more gentle approach.

Perhaps X-X should consider if they really, really want to live in a world run by Scientology?

People on this board have, by and large, managed to make a reasonable recovery from the atrocities Scientology committed against them. You should think about the rapidly reducing number of "faithful" who still cling to the distorted concepts of the C of S and be willing to be there for them.

I trust that this may clarify the position for X-X and hope that this poor, subjected person manages to get back in valence and start to see what really IS.

Dart

 

[Alanzo]

I see this thread as a chance for Ex-Scientologists to be able to speak back to the Scientology Mindset. To pick at it, to test it, and to watch it squirm around and do and say all its crazy things.

People can see it out on a screen in front of them, see how it responds, and see its patterns. That's much better than having it inside your own head and making YOU say and act out all those things!

These posts where Scientologists come on here and threaten people and run all their insanity on exes are highly therapeutic for people to see. Others, who have never been in the cult, get to see the threats and the creepy attempts at coercion and thought control that the Church of Scientology engages in.

Scientology's fascistic totalitarianism can not act within the light of a truly free environment. The Internet is proof of that.

So I like threads like this.

I wish they would send more of them out to "handle" us.

It would be their undoing.

And they know it.

 

[Lurker5]

This is fantastic, Alanzo

I see this thread as a chance for Ex-Scientologists to be able to speak back to the Scientology Mindset. To pick at it, to test it, and to watch it squirm around and do and say all its crazy things.

People can see it out on a screen in front of them, see how it responds, and see its patterns. That's much better than having it inside your own head and making YOU say and act out all those things!

These posts where Scientologists come on here and threaten people and run all their insanity on exes are highly therapeutic for people to see. Others, who have never been in the cult, get to see the threats and the creepy attempts at coercion and thought control that the Church of Scientology engages in.

Scientology's fascistic totalitarianism can not act within the light of a truly free environment. The Internet is proof of that.

So I like threads like this.

I wish they would send more of them out to "handle" us.

It would be their undoing.

And they know it.

Great post, Alanzo. You made my morning

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Yes, I like these threads too for much the same reasons. It is very interesting when you read and feel the seriousness with which these people need to communicate.

It feels like a very distant echo now of my scio past ... I can sit here and read this type of thread and let it reverberate around me, and it has no effect whatsoever other than a kind of slightly embarrassed curiosity ... almost like viewing an injured alien being, that is in its death throes but is still trying to assert who is "really in control here" ... as it is clearly fading away.



I know that sounds melodramatic but that is how I view scientologists these days, they are like actors in an old black and white movie that I once knew the script to word for word, and even though technology has moved on (a lot) they are still reading, ever so seriously, from the very same battered and tattered handwritten dialogue and apparently are completely unaware of the audience quietly cringing ... for them.

Ah well.

Back to the real world.

 

[Doom]

Sometimes I swat flies and sometimes I let them circle. You seem to answer your own questions, so no need of me.

Agreed.

 

[Cherished]

Xenophon was conspiring to attack the Church the whole way along.

Evidence?

 

[Doom]

Evidence?

She has none.

 

[FinallyFree]

I see this thread as a chance for Ex-Scientologists to be able to speak back to the Scientology Mindset. To pick at it, to test it, and to watch it squirm around and do and say all its crazy things.

People can see it out on a screen in front of them, see how it responds, and see its patterns. That's much better than having it inside your own head and making YOU say and act out all those things!

These posts where Scientologists come on here and threaten people and run all their insanity on exes are highly therapeutic for people to see. Others, who have never been in the cult, get to see the threats and the creepy attempts at coercion and thought control that the Church of Scientology engages in.

Scientology's fascistic totalitarianism can not act within the light of a truly free environment. The Internet is proof of that.

So I like threads like this.

I wish they would send more of them out to "handle" us.

It would be their undoing.

And they know it.

You are very wise Alanzo - I agree whole heartedly.

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

from x_x> "Scientology must duplicate the societies it operates in."

Omg! Just like in 'The Fly', the resulting mutant.... oh shi...

Really now, ol' windbag Rotten Ronny,(woman-beating, drug addicted, sociopathic liar that he was), wasn't trying to integrate his mess with 'societies', he wanted to create his own world where he was 'The Soopreem Roolah' and all were his willing slaves, in other words~ infiltrate to alter and control.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Yes, I like these threads too for much the same reasons. It is very interesting when you read and feel the seriousness with which these people need to communicate.It feels like a very distant echo now of my scio past ... I can sit here and read this type of thread and let it reverberate around me, and it has no effect whatsoever other than a kind of slightly embarrassed curiosity ... almost like viewing an injured alien being, that is in its death throes but is still trying to assert who is "really in control here" ... as it is clearly fading away.I know that sounds melodramatic but that is how I view scientologists these days, they are like actors in an old black and white movie that I once knew the script to word for word, and even though technology has moved on (a lot) they are still reading, ever so seriously, from the very same battered and tattered handwritten dialogue and apparently are completely unaware of the audience quietly cringing ... for them.Ah well.Back to the real world.

Lovin it!!!

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I see this thread as a chance for Ex-Scientologists to be able to speak back to the Scientology Mindset. To pick at it, to test it, and to watch it squirm around and do and say all its crazy things.

People can see it out on a screen in front of them, see how it responds, and see its patterns. That's much better than having it inside your own head and making YOU say and act out all those things!

These posts where Scientologists come on here and threaten people and run all their insanity on exes are highly therapeutic for people to see. Others, who have never been in the cult, get to see the threats and the creepy attempts at coercion and thought control that the Church of Scientology engages in.

Scientology's fascistic totalitarianism can not act within the light of a truly free environment. The Internet is proof of that.

So I like threads like this.

I wish they would send more of them out to "handle" us.

It would be their undoing.

And they know it.

OUTSTANDING POST! GREAT OBSERVATIONS!

 

[Zinjifar]

OUTSTANDING POST! GREAT OBSERVATIONS!

Exactly. The most effective 'Tech' is 'Let Scientology Be Scientology (in front of witnesses)'

Zinj

 

[Feral]

Beauty, finally some posters that see things the same way as me.

I do like watching him squirm, changing the meanings of what we say to set up straw men it's his only hope of winning a debate, apart from quoting source.

The tactic is so obvious to all but him.