Re: Seven year-old put in chain locker, and over-boarded despite not being able to s
When you say thetan you are using hubbards word that means an eternal spirit that has lived many lives and retains the knowledge of those past lives. This is the crux of why hubbard alluded to children being adults, that is a child's body is controlled by an eternal spirit that has just picked up another vessel. So when you say we are all thetans in bodies you believe our flesh is just a vessel for an eternal being that has full retention of its past lives.
My understanding is BTs cause conflict with the thetan and hold it back from being able to reach its full potential. Hence the need/existence for scientology.
So I add this up to meaning that if you believe in thetans, without believing in BTs we would be at our full potential moments after we are born and the thetan selects that body.
That being said in your post you say that our minds develop over time, which obviously means there is something\s interfering with the thetan. So what you are really saying in the above post is that you believe in scientology and its teachings. That is to reach our full potential as a operating thetan we have to rid ourselves of BTs.
Claire when you use the term thetan this is the conclusion that I draw, I have attempted to lay out my reasoning in an orderly fashion.
The problem that I have with this belief system is that there has never been a OT nor anyone that has proven they possess any of the super abilities that hubbard says we posses as a thetan. It is important to realise that scientology is not a faith based organization. They are meant to be able to produce results from their practices. This is why I fully reject the idea that we all are thetans.
That's a good point. I'll listen to a theory, but if there has never been any evidence of it as claimed, then the greatest likelihood tells us that it does not exist. To me, the existence of something demonstrates by its existence. And one may not just provide a new theory of why it does not exist, but in fact, does. That's nuts. And their you'll find a brass dog, a gorilla, some magnetic ribbons, and even a naughty cat person in the story. No. This is not evidence. These are excuses for lack of evidence.
When we look at the nature of living things, we can see how many aspects we as people, have with other animals.
Now consider this; 4 quadrillion years. If an eternal being lived that long, they would be extremely wise, in fact, the wisest beings in the universe, since they were there when the universe was created. Cool story. So in a nanosecond, that being can, and was, with 100% results, changed completely and eternally. And their is the only "proof" of anything. We are human beings. Or, maybe, WE ARE HUMANS. The part in caps being the only conclusion.
Okay, 4 quadrillion years does sound like a long time, but how does that compare to the 75 million years of Xenu's mindf**k? Let's see what a quadrillion looks like compared to 100 million.
Okay, here's 100,016,640 One hundred million, sixteen thousand, six hundred and forty Pennies [ Two cubes, one 12x12x12 feet, the other 7x7x7 feet ]
That's much more than the 75 million years that Xenu screwed us over. Let's give Xenu that extra 25,016,640 years (or pennies) as an home team advantage. Go, Xenu!
Well, that's not much. About the size of a storage shed in your yard.
Let's look at a quadrillion pennies. The graphic depicts one quadrillion, sixty-seven billion, eighty-eight million, three hundred and eighty-four pennies.
It would take almost 4 stacks of pennies - each one representing a year of life, to show how many years LaFayette said we'd been around. And look again at the small stack. It's a decent sized bathroom. Solid, of course, but still, compared to 4 big stacks? Nothing. What's more, LaFayette said that we were around before that. So after 4 quadrillion years, scientology will be the only way to mend from a Coffee Grinder Incident, or Brass Dog, or Gorilla, or Body Builder, etc. The Body Builder is where a thetan is forced to fight with his "attention units". Well, again, wild excuses for nothing. The stories can be as wild, as sci-fi, as it wants to, it still needs to exist, in order to exist. No clears or OTs. It seems like that's the end of the theory of scientology and thetans. If thetans had 4 quadrillion years to provide evidence of OT, and scientology had 60 years to give proof ... it just seems that the test of the theory gave nothing. But, we ARE still humans. That can be proven.