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GoNuclear

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rules

Originally Posted by GoNuclear
Finding a soulmate is one thing, playing the game is another.


I never got to learn the "rules of the game".

Rules are not the issue, workable "tech" IS the issue. The game is mainly a game of understanding body language and dress to make reasonable guesses as to which women will or will not waste your time if your objective is to find one to take home SAME NIGHT. Once that has been determined, it is a matter of using eye contact to initiate conversation/dancing etc. You want to hold eye contact a bit longer than usual but not too long. This is not TR0 inside a mission or org, this is a real world application and may include a really great turn-on-the-sunshine smile. Mainly it is common sense material that you have known forever but have not articulated to yourself. The best on the web for training purposes is Tony Berger and his "advanced macking" course. Plus it is cheap. I saw some of the Tony Berger material for free, and figured out that his material was the best. I recco'd my then 50 yr old stick in the mud brother in law who had never been laid in his life to purchase the course, so I got to see the whole thing. It is totally right-on. In fact, everytime that I "got lucky" back in the day when I was playing "the game" it was because I was "doing" Tony Berger. You may want to get yourself hooked up with the course.

http://www.ebooks-pilot.com/anthony....html?osCsid=c05874b2c9b9f989e81f3765299e663f

It is also available on Amazon, search for advanced macking.

Pete
 

Pierrot

Patron with Honors
Mon ami Pierrot - It sounds like a technique based on the tech of reach and withdraw with the man doing a lot of withdrawing. Yes, that makes an awful lot of sense. I can see it working and have seen it at work without fully realizing what tech the mail was using. That "Joe average" friend of my Son's was one of just two or three guys in an Irish Dance clug with say 9 girls. The numbers were in that ratio and this Joe average, real name, Patrick, was in great demand and withdrew from all the girls who were pursuing him. It had the effect you mentioned. It seems to me that very attractive women just hate seeing a man choose another woman over them and they fight and fight hard to get that man's attention and show him that they have more to offer than the other woman. There can be a "no holds barred" war when two or more very attractive women compete for the affections of one ordinary guy. I have seen this happen a lot, once or twice, I've had two girls both go after me but I was not knowingly using the withdraw tech but just happened to use portions of it by accident or happenstance. It seems to be that attractive women are so used to being hustled by almost every man they meet that they find it refreshing and challenging to pursue a man who is ignoring them. Sometimes they will pursue a man who is gay and then when they find that out, they stop the pursuit but if a man is straight and ignores them, that brings out tremendous competitiveness in the woman.

Thanks for pointing his tech out to me. As I say, I had witnessed it happening all the time without fully realizing what I was watching but now I now. I really appreciate the hatting and will read some of your references to learn even more.
Lakey

Dear Lakey,

I'm glad you liked it :)

you got it right. Actually most of what you'll learn on this subject will be like "I knew that stuff, I've seen others do it, I did it too sometimes, but I didn't understand why it worked".

Very attractive women deserve a very special treatment. Not that I'm saying there are unattractive women as some body features accepted as norm in the current society don't guarantee fun in whatever relationship. I test always the sense of humor :D

When you see 2 or more women with this top model like gorgeous girl amongst them you could start a conversation with all of them (or with men if she's alone surrounded by them) completely ignoring the beautiful one. Even telling her, when she says something, as she wants to be part of the conversation, while interrupting her "Could you get me a glass of water at the bar, please, I don't wish to interrupt this very interesting conversation..." You'll get attention, lol!

Beautiful women are approched all the time by men who give compliments, gifts, etc, so they test them with some "I'm out of your reach" attitude to check if that guy is worth it or if he'll behave like a doormat. Don't do what every other guy is doing and you'll notice beautifull women are easiest to date. Like - I remember I approached such a beauty, that looked like a shut up oyster, me asking "It must be awfull to be considered for your body only nobody seeing your personality, who you really are" Sigh of relief in her eyes, "how do you know?" and she spent the whole evening talking to me about men and years after we're still good friends.

It's not exactly reach and withdraw - although we could say at some level the basic interaction between a man and a woman is reach and withdraw.

It's more about "reversing the flow". You sort of steal the game from women, you unmock all their tactics they use while dealing with men. Women will love you for doing that ;-) Do it with humor, with teasing. You'll get hit on your arms, on your body while she laughs.(remember girls at school hitting your body when you were teasing them?)

Reach is important. It happened often I was sitting with a friend talking, then I said "Look, that brunette there is attracted by you" Him "you think so? oh, she looks great.." me "go and talk with her" him " ... ... ..." So I'd stand up, take my friend with me and go talk with the girl. Then I'd get away, and hours later I'd find them still talking. If he didn't reach she might have concluded he is not interested and move on.

How to reach is important too. In social situations I often see a woman at some point asking the man "and what are you doing for living?" Then the guy, proud, starts to talk about his new car, his house renovation, his awaited business promotion, how good he's at sports, ... ... . Often the woman acknowledges then moves on. The fact she asks means she is interested then the guys wrecks it all.

Instead of turning the conversation into a boring recruitement interview I'd answer anything from "Me? I'm looking for a very rich woman who can satisfy all my very expensive needs so I don't have to work anymore" to "Shhht... don't say anyone but I'm on a secret mission from outer space to find a sexy woman specimen so we can study the rituals of fertility on Earth. Would you have any friends you could recommend?"

It goes on and on, there is no script, no set up language, when you know what the game is all about.

On the very good site given by GoNuclear you'll find books clicking on "pickup artists". You could find anything actually on bittorrent sites and on the net etc for free, but if you like it and use it, then buy it. Good to exchange when it's worth it.

The basic book that started that whole culture is Mystery's "Venusian Arts" (more at http://www.venusianarts.com) The guy says he didn't understand anything about girls and decided to handle that ruin in his life terminatedly. He studied a lot! From zero he ended up in Time magazine and coaching Hollywood stars.

The story of Mystery is related in the book "The Game" by Neil Strauss, Rolling Stone journalist. Very fun to read, I posted an excerpt of that book, when he meets Tom Cruise at http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=3373

From there on Mystery was incipient of a whole movement. Worth mentionning is David DeAngelo, sort of a marketing guru, I read once his mailing list had over a million subscribers. You can have a free subscription to his mailing list and you'll read his comments to the e-mails like "Now you're complaining you have more women than time to satisfy them all. Poor guy!" lol

David's "Double your dating" e-book is very concise and if anything that book alone gives you all you need to know about the game.

There are a lot of pickup artists having sites, books etc. The litterature they propose and bibliography books they propose range from personal stories to extensive study of NLP, Psychology and hypnosis. Amongst some books worth mentionning is Robert Greene's "The Art of Seduction" which is an extensive study ranging from seducers, womanizers to charismatic leaders. Worth to know so as to avoid unwanted traits of personality, taken up even unwittingly.

You'll recognize the good ones advocating honesty, integrity and warning about abusive use of techniques used. You could, like you did in your post, tie it all up with Scientology Tech too, why not. Tone Scale, CDEINR one, whatever.

Studying it I discovered a very interesting universe. Most guys who "got it" say beyond dating it enabled them to build their personality. Some Psychologists observe in last century while men were absorbed by their businesses boys were educated by women. Most male traits started to disappear since men stopped to go hunting, farming, socialising men amongst men. And what Mommy taught one in order to be a nice boy doesn't work in real life situations especially when dealing with women.

So some say the game enabled them to develop alpha male personality. To connect it with the topic of this thread - they developped confidence, calmness, cool power while getting their job done and well done. Better than testosterone driven brutal force with inhibited sex and inhibited eating per the antique Roman Empire Army model.

Flirting is fun. I don't stop it even when having a long term relationship. It's like I go to the supermarket. The cute girl does her cashier job bored counting items. She says "it's xxx euros, please" I might reply "thanks, and how much will that be after you give me your discount off?" now she's out of boredom "???? but I cannot give you any percentage off, sorry" me then "what a pity for you! you just ruined all your chances of anything nice going between you and me..." she laughs and from then on I get her extra smile anytime I enter the shop. Outside my girlfriend would give me a crossed look - me "What, Honey? you feel insecure because you don't now how to keep a man?" which, btw, is a common problem some women do face. But that's another subject, lol.

Have fun !

Pierrot
 

GoNuclear

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Tony Berger, Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley and Dice

The one thing about Tony Berger's material that epecially rings true ... going for taking her home SAME NIGHT. In his completely inarticulate way, he states that this is an impulse buy for the woman and that is what you are marketing to. Logic isn't involved in making the decision anymore than, say, some gadget that she will buy from a shopping channel and never use, but she absolutely has to have when she sees the infomercial.

One of the things I mentioned in an earlier post was body language, namely HER body language. You may have assumed that I meant looking for a certain confident and open body language from her. That may or may not be the 1 in 5 prize. The "cannot miss" is the gal who is alone (no girlfriends to act as cockblockers) all scrunched up (body language says stewing in encrusted layers of frustration) AND if you are there with a friend of yours talking in her presence loud enough for her to hear, and she blurts something out, anything, to attempt to butt into the conversation ... this is a cannot miss situation. The exact right move is to VERY GENTLY tell her that 1) you need to finish your convo with your bud and 2) that will only take a minute or two, after which she will have your undivided attention, and while you tell her that you are massaging her shoulders (trapezius muscles and upper back above the bra line, and neck muscles ... you need to have a decent feel in your hands/fingers for the tension ... you need to have the right touch to let her know it is a man's hands on her neck/traps massaging her, not a whimp, but not the hard theraputic touch of, say, a rough chiropractor.) Take that minute or two to finish up with your friend, who you hopefully have trained NOT to be a cockblocker. A few minutes after that you should be leaving the club with her. To do otherwise could easily be an overrun. Never talk past the point of close. The point of close is perhaps two minutes more of massage past where your friend is dismissed.

Those situations don't happen all that often, but they do happen. Barring that, there is another aspect to all of this ... YOUR body language. Now don't get all politically correct on me here, admit it, you are probably white, and have probably observed this ... a black guy picking up on white chicks that you never even considered you had a chance with. Admit it, you do a slow burn and you wish you could round up a few of your friends and put on the bed sheet costumes. It's plain unfair, you tried to strike up a convo with this gal a few minutes ago, and you couldn't get so much as the time of day let alone a dance. Or worse, you THOUGHT she was warming up to you a bit, then she goes all starry eyed, and not for you, but some dude behind you, and, you turn around, and there is your competition and he is about as black as black can be, complete with a 'fro or corn rows. You are stewing inwardly, and wonder if there is any truth to the infamous "they have bigger dicks" nonsense. Maybe, maybe not.

I used to see this all the time when I was in the Navy, especially at the enlisted club right by the nuke power school when it was on Mare Island Naval Shipyard in Valejo, California. I would go there on a Friday or Saturday night, and of course, the women would be outnumbered at least 3 to 1. THEY WOULD ALWAYS SEEM TO GO FOR SOME BLACK FLEET SAILOR AND NEVER A NUKE IN TRAINING. I finally got up the nerve once to ask one of these 'bros what the deal was (this was a guy who was there during the day one time playing video games and drinking, someone whom I had spotted earlier in action at the club on a Friday night, apparently doing quite well.)
I thought he would be offended, but, no. He couldn't stop laughing. Finally, he said, "You at da power skoo', raht?" I said "yeah, so?" He started laughing uproariously again and said "It's cause you honkees at da skoo' is all brains and no ass!!!!!!!!" He stands up and says "Dis is you!" and he does an exagerated version of my walk, then he goes "Dis is me!" and he does an exagerated version of his walk. He gave me one of the most valuable lessons of "the game".

What he showed me ... whites in general and those of us in "the program" ... wannabe "nukes" ... were a bunch of slide rule toting nerds and our body language said so. We tended to walk leading from our shoulders. This guy walked as if someone had a rope on his weiner and was leading him around by it ... that is, he lead from his hips. Which leads me to Michael Jackson, Elvis, and Andrew Dice Clay. Dice stated, in an interview, that for several years prior to getting on stage, he studied Elvis for stage moves until he GOT HIM DOWN. I would add to that Michael Jackson ... STUDY ELVIS, MICHAEL, AND THE DICEMAN'S STAGE MOVES AND OBSERVE BODY LANGUAGE. GET ELIVIS "DOWN COLD". Study Michael as well. And, as far as Dice goes ... besides his studied stage moves based upon Elvis ... there is his delivery. The most outrageous obscene lines delivered WITH NO FLINCH. Nor does he deliver his obscene lines with the bark of a drill instructor as per Lee Ermey (Gunnery Sargent Hartman in Full Metal Jacket). This is a real life application of TR1, NOT A COURSEROOM APPLICATION. Nor am I saying that you need to say Dice lines to women ... but if you can come up with the occaisional slightly risque line that another guy would screw up and you can deliver with zero flinch and the right accentuations, just like Dice ... that's a dog that knows how to hunt.

Bottom line tho ... study Elvis, see how he moves, videotape yourself, how do you move? If you have to spend a year working on good posture and getting yourself flexible, it is time well spent anyways.

Pete
 
On the flip side:

We had a karate instructor at our center. He was a honkie. One night he took a black sister from the hood out on a date. When he returned her to her house, there were about twenty black brothers waiting to educate him. He laid them all on the ground. End of school for the night.
 

GoNuclear

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way of topic but ...

On the flip side:

We had a karate instructor at our center. He was a honkie. One night he took a black sister from the hood out on a date. When he returned her to her house, there were about twenty black brothers waiting to educate him. He laid them all on the ground. End of school for the night.

Since we have somehow migrated over to the subject of martial arts ... my wife is a 9th degree master of a very special martial art called blamekido. It is only done by wives, passed down from mother to daughter. The first rule of the blamekido master is to never ever ever acknowledge that the martial art form of blamekido even exists. But when you encounter a true blamekido master, you will walk away scratching your head wondering how it is that you somehow agreed that whatever it was, it was your fault.

Pete
 
Since we have somehow migrated over to the subject of martial arts ... my wife is a 9th degree master of a very special martial art called blamekido. It is only done by wives, passed down from mother to daughter. The first rule of the blamekido master is to never ever ever acknowledge that the martial art form of blamekido even exists. But when you encounter a true blamekido master, you will walk away scratching your head wondering how it is that you somehow agreed that whatever it was, it was your fault.

Pete

If a man is alone in the woods, is he still wrong?
 

GoNuclear

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He will be ...

If a man is alone in the woods, is he still wrong?

He WILL find out that he was wrong, when he gets back home, as in ...

"What the hell were you thinking when you went wandering off in the woods?"
Or "I like the woods, too, and could have used a walk. YOU'RE SELFISH!"
Or "YOU'RE LATE!!!"
Or "You could have been getting your exercise by working in the yard!"
Or "So you wen't to the woods, fine, so where's the firewood?"

A true blamekido master could come up with a few dozen others within the first 2 minutes of the poor guy returning home from the woods.

Pete
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Well, you learned them here for free, right?

Originally Posted by GoNuclear
Finding a soulmate is one thing, playing the game is another.


I never got to learn the "rules of the game".

Royal Prince, GoNuclear and Pierrot have given a lot of priceless information at no charge plus a lot of references to read. You are probably still young enough to apply the data, me, they say it works at all ages but we'll see.

I have a question for you. How does the Latin saying at the bottom of your post translate?
Lakey
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
The American frontier must have been great fun!

It is already going into such a direction. Getting hold of a piece of land is nearly impossible here in Europe, if you don't inherit it from your parents.

Humans are the only animals who don't give their offspring a piece of land. Deer, mice, elephants just go ahead and use the land!

In the United States in the 19th century, the people were given a large piece of land. Back in the covered wagon days as families migrated Westward. You could "squat" on a piece of government land with the intent to make improvements and legally acquire title to it. I believe that a typical homestead was 40 acres or 1/16th of a square mile This would be 440 yards by 440 yards or approximate 4 1/2 football fields square. In European terms 400 meters on each side. I learned that Oklahoma was settled that way, and became the Sooner State, Sooners being the types of covered wagons people used to arrive in Oklahoma.

I bet a large but thinly populated area such as Australia must have had provisions for a free land program sometime during its history. Is this correct?


Here in my country, the rip-off of money for everything in shops and the bureaucracy is so extreme that I was not able to set aside any money for a land purchase, and as a software developer I certainly earn double or more of an average income.

There is the additional "game" of an envisioned 90% global population reduction which is being discussed in various places.

How do the elite decide who is elite and how do they go about killing off 90% of the poplulation?

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I grew up in Southern California. Our family went to Sequoia National Park in California in 1950 when I was 10. What a paradise that was and what a paradise California was and Los Angeles was as well. Just look at these figures from 1950. United States total population 150,000,000, California 10,500,000, Los Angeles 1.5 million, Orange County maybe 200.000. Today, the USA is about 320,000,000, California 37,000,000, L.A. 4,000,000 and L.A. County 10,000,000 (what the entire state had in 1950) and Orange County 3,000,000. Though still a beautiful state, Califonia is beset by traffic, conjestion and extremely high taxes plus air quality problems, though those have been greatly improved. In 1950, it was a pleasure to get in a car and drive. It was a paradise here but most of us took it for granted. The USA was a wonderful place when the population was 150,000,000. ideal randomity, enormous open spaces but plenty of large and diverse population centers.

There is no need to reduce population by 90%, that is crazy, at a 50% reduction, such as in 1950, the randomity was ideal and there was all the open space and nature areas which anyone could ask for. I've never been to Australia and often fantasize what it would be like in a country the size of the continental USA with only 20,000,000 million. I know that much of Oz is desert but even so it must be interesting to take off by car from the large cities and explore the outback. You do not need to go all the way to Oz, Montana in the USA is the size of Germany and has maybe 1 1/2 million people, Wyoming is about the size of the former West Germany and only has about 1/2 million. The Dakotas and Idaho are similarly sparsely populated, not to mention Sara Palin's Alaska, over 4 times the size of Califonia with only 1/2 million people. There is the big frontier for those who want huge population reductions.
Lakey
 
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hbeer

Patron with Honors
On the flip side:

We had a karate instructor at our center. He was a honkie. One night he took a black sister from the hood out on a date. When he returned her to her house, there were about twenty black brothers waiting to educate him. He laid them all on the ground. End of school for the night.


All twenty of them? He deserved the girl :) :) :)



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Royal Prince Xenu

Trust the Psi Corps.
Royal Prince, GoNuclear and Pierrot have given a lot of priceless information at no charge plus a lot of references to read. You are probably still young enough to apply the data, me, they say it works at all ages but we'll see.

I have a question for you. How does the Latin saying at the bottom of your post translate?
Lakey

As I've admitted elsewhere, I'm gay. The Chronic Fatigue Syndrome pretty-much ensures that there's little to no libido available.

There have been times when I have found myself in a conversation with someone and realized after the conversation has concluded that an opportunity was completely missed. I disagree with the post regarding my being white vs a black guy.

When I say I didn't learn the "rules" it's because I was raised so puritanically that I was afraid to look at anyone in a sexual manner, and therefore my interactions with others as a teenager were completely absent.

My signature is pseudo-Latin from The Addams' Family. It is the family crest, "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us."
 
My signature is pseudo-Latinfrom The Addams' Family. It is the family crest, "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us."

Thanks for the acks guys...my optimistic attitude is an important survival mechanism for me! :) (Tends to help others to reframe things, too.)

Hey Princey, dredging up my old high school latin, I would tend to also translate your sig line as:
"We glory in eating alive those who would subjugate us".
Same basic meaning, but a little more hard edged language...either way, a great motto for a Critic! :thumbsup: :happydance:

I say take those missed opportunities in hindsight as educational training, and apply what you've learned to all future encounters. :)
 

Royal Prince Xenu

Trust the Psi Corps.
Thanks for the acks guys...my optimistic attitude is an important survival mechanism for me! :) (Tends to help others to reframe things, too.)

Hey Princey, dredging up my old high school latin, I would tend to also translate your sig line as:
"We glory in eating alive those who would subjugate us".
Same basic meaning, but a little more hard edged language...either way, a great motto for a Critic! :thumbsup: :happydance:

I say take those missed opportunities in hindsight as educational training, and apply what you've learned to all future encounters. :)

I repeat that it is pseudo-Latin. It is not solely reserved to my ident as RPX either. It is also used in reference to our corrupt governments who lie, cheat and steal to stay in office.

Unfortunately, "eating them alive" is not a viable option, like your average pork, "long pork" needs to be cooked properly before consumption.

I'm told that "Roast Boy Scout on a Spit*" is a delicacy.

*Self-important Law Enforcement personnel who consider their personal statisitcs as more important than finding out the actual truth of an event.
 
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