P Salerno
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Shhhhhhhhhh... all quiet on the SWC Front.
TGZ tiptoes away......
Hopefully you tiptoed to your phone.....
Simon Wiesenthal Center to honor Tom Cruise
- Thread starter Born in Big Blue
- Start date
Hopefully you tiptoed to your phone.....
The Great Zorg
Gold Meritorious Patron
Oh look, its none other than Born In Big Blue!
I'm not going to call you, I'm just going to wait until the smoke clears and others have contacted the SWC and received a reply or a public announcement from same. Until then, there's lots of time to organize a protest or raid. :confused2:
Again (and again and again) I am simply stating that those pics, one phone call to some unidentified person and two obscure websites with iffy info and broken links is not DOX. All the threads floating all over the internet such as here, OCB, WWP, a few other critic sites are ALL loosely based on your 4 pics. Let's just let it unravel for a few days and see what's what. YOU have set something in motion, let's see how it plays out. K?
If you want to chew the wallpaper then just post clearer pics bu that will not advance the DOX nature of your invitation. Perhaps you were set up with a false invitation? Is this at least remotely possible? :confused2:
I believe he does protest too much.
The Great Zorg
Gold Meritorious Patron
If you really want to get technical, WHERE's the pic of the enclosed RSVP? You seem to have omitted that little item out of the set of pics. :confused2:
If you can scan or take a pic of the invitation then why leave out the RSVP? Just take a pic and post it. That would give proof that you received a complete invitation. Whether or not it is genuine can only be confirmed by SWC or widespread links across the internet.
The Oracle
Gold Meritorious Patron
O.K., thank you for your kind attention. I doubt if anyone could say nobody can find any humanitarian deeds amoungst Tom Cruise's history in this world. He adopted two children. Maybe you were not raised as an orphan so the humanitarian effort there would not be visible. O.K.. There are entire nations on this planet that would like nothing better than to see every Jewish person on this planet put to death. The movie was a recognition about people being able to make decisions as one while still remaining part of a whole. It was a good message. Tom Cruise took on many enemies to play that part in that movie. That was not a bad thing for him to do. The character he portrayed in the film illustrates ALL OF US! Yes.
Now, there is a difference between fixing something that is broken and bullying.
When the fairgame Mike Rinder thread started here I pointed out nobody was exactly giving him a better solution for a group. I took my share of heckling there. When someone created a safespace for him to flip into, he came out.
There is a lot of hate in the Church and in that culture. It is the people predisposed to that , that make it nightmare runaway train it has become. I applaud those on higher ground. But I cannot contribute to hate, bullying and blind injustice on an opposing side either. That orgaization as well as the Jewish Board of Guardians has been doing work in the community for all cultures and people. It is a CHARITY event not a political function. And I am well aware of the financial contributions these people make to provide education and resources for children that have no homes. Tom Cruise is a figurehead to draw contributions and sell dinners. That money goes to help people in the community from all walks of life.
Your grievance is with the Church of Scientology, NOT the Jewish community involved with real charity work that matters. I am not Jewish but I was put through high school by the Jewish Board of Guardians. Otherwise I would have been living on the streets.
I am just asking you to consider these truths and realities before you set out to fairgame and charity fundraiser which is organized by people who DO care about other people.
Is this really your target? Who might not come to next years fundraiser because of noise and security and what child might that effect?
That is for starters.
There is also the issue of harassing staff at orgs. Do you think those people want to be there in that madness? When you threaten them as a group it only causes them to cling to another and ridge on what is "out here".
Kindness and communication and real justice will turn this madness inside out.
You go to the Orgs and offer a solution to those staff to walk out of there into a safe space and they will walk out.
I wouldn't say this if I had not seen it work many times like magic.
But hate will not conquor hate.
Only love will conquor hate.
T.O.
He had nothing done, that I won't trust him... 
The Oracle
Gold Meritorious Patron
Didn't you hear ? Zorg doesn't believe I was a member and patron of SWC and thinks I had the website made up for some ridiculous reason. Here's a reality check: L Ron Hubbard was a pedophile and a liar and oh yeah....check this Oracle:
How artistic! Expressing yourself through art is a good thing!
T.O.
practice
Patron with Honors
Oh my god dude chill out.
The Great Zorg doesn't trust you because he doesn't trust anyone. No need to get your panties in a twist about it. Anyone else reading this thread can pretty easily see you are telling the truth without you getting all self-righteous and petty about it.
Do we have to go through the same song and dance every single time someone doesn't trust someone else?
This question of whether it is real or not is boring!
If you don't believe it, then just call the place yourself. Otherwise I will trust the following complement of facts:
-members here and elsewhere have called the actual center and confirmed it
-it is listed on Tom Cruise's fan website
-it is listed in SWC masterplanner
-Paul and others have the invite
As to whether that is a former committee from prior years, I am sure that there is some overlap. However, if you look at the people on the list, many have specific connection to Tom Cruise-that is why they are there, people such as Ben Stiller, Jerry Bruckheimer, Will Smith, Brad Bird, etc. So it is clear that list is oriented toward him.
There, everyone get your panties untwisted.
If you don't believe it, then just call the place yourself. Otherwise I will trust the following complement of facts:
-members here and elsewhere have called the actual center and confirmed it
-it is listed on Tom Cruise's fan website
-it is listed in SWC masterplanner
-Paul and others have the invite
As to whether that is a former committee from prior years, I am sure that there is some overlap. However, if you look at the people on the list, many have specific connection to Tom Cruise-that is why they are there, people such as Ben Stiller, Jerry Bruckheimer, Will Smith, Brad Bird, etc. So it is clear that list is oriented toward him.
There, everyone get your panties untwisted.
Nicole
Silver Meritorious Patron
@SWC: That makes Co$. People that gone through that Mindf*ck have problems to trust each other and you honor the "flagship" TC!!!
AND
In Germany exist "friendships" between Co$ and neo-fascist parties:
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/scientology-und-rechtsextreme-propaganda.31499/
and that what TGZ posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giPNLTa5yhc&feature=player_embedded
I'm not sure what "enemies" you think he took on to make the film. But this was an acting gig, not a holy crusade. That's his job for which he got well paid.
Peaceful protest is not hate. I find your jump to this conclusion odd.
"There is also the issue of harassing staff at orgs. Do you think those people want to be there in that madness? When you threaten them as a group it only causes them to cling to another and ridge on what is "out here".
Who is threatening who? No protests have ever had any threats or violence from protestors, but Scientologists on the other hand have attacked protestors, most recently last week beating and stomping one of my friends in Paris, breaking his nose. Have you read that thread? How was he threatening or harassing anyone? He was there because he cares to end the abuse. It is he and others who have risked much, who have sacrificed money, time and safety to stop this.
It is actions like these that have made this a public issue. It is actions like these that have made it safer to come out and talk as Marty as done. It is actions like these that have thrown a huge spotlight on the CoS.
Personally, my IRL protesting and discussions with Scientologists at protests have resulted in at least three people I know of leaving. Three that I didn't know before but was able to touch through conversation. That is the value of such "hateful" action.
Voltaire's Child
Fool on the Hill
What I don't like about TC is his backing of DM. I'm sure he knows that DM threatened to have TC beat up SO staff and that TC was fine with it. No way he doesn't know about the slave labor used to give him perks. This is extremely wrong and he probably has legal culpability, if not also moral...
But what I don't care about is his role in a movie.
Sorry, but I don't care. He's an actor.
But what I don't care about is his role in a movie.
Sorry, but I don't care. He's an actor.
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