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So, I'm taking a course at a Mission today.

NeXTep

Patron with Honors
What a great thread.

Here we have Esion who desperately wants to become Ex-Scion and you are trying to impede this. Is this some kind of elite group?

Folks he only wants to do the Comm Course, so he can become an Ex Scio and maybe understand what the blabberings on this board are all about. So just let him do his thing.

Or otherwise can you tell him if there is another way to become an Ex Scio. I don't know of any. :no:
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
I've connected with the appropriate FreeZoners in my area. The communications course has been highly recommended by them, however, they are only offering auditing.

Yeah. The STCC isn't Hard TRs, but it can still take maybe 25 hours to deliver it well. That's 25 hours of a sup's continual presence needed, and a twin. It could be done by the "sup" acting as the twin, of course, but it's not too viable like that if you charge even $100 for it. :). You can run through a set of drills in five hours, but the TR-0 ones wouldn't be anywhere near to flat at all and it would be a real rip-off.

So I can't say I'm surprised FZers don't want to deliver it.

Paul
 

uniquemand

Unbeliever
Anyone who wants to learn the TRs can come hang out with me for a couple of hours a day for free, running through the drills. They always are profitable to me, and I can't imagine why others would feel differently. TRs are all you need to be able to do well, when coupled with pretty much ANY process, to get good results. Good TRs and UCP will take you very far indeed.
 
Probably for the same reasons people try heroine for the first time. There are audit junkies on this board who still are in denial, acting as if Scientology is anything other than a con

Addicts are the ones who have difficulty walking away from their abusers.

Esion's got a plan and a support network. Not much risk there. :no:


Mark A. Baker
 
Woah wait. Freezoners recommended you take a Scientology course provided BY Co$? I think you've been had. Doesn't seem likely the Freezone would recommend people go to Co$ to learn Scientology. (sry Freezone if I am getting this wrong, I am under the impression you guys don't associate with Co$, except for convincing people to leave and practice Scientology without paying away their life).


It's not recommended practice. For one thing, the Co$ is not likely to treat persons with freezone contacts with proper respect. Nonetheless, it is a useful course and few freezone groups in the u.s. are sufficiently set up with available staff to deliver it economically due to the need for plentiful supervision.


Mark A. Baker
 

Veda

Sponsor
This is the best intro to Scientology I have seen, this is part one of six, the author takes the Comm Course in the Freezone, he'd be better off watching this then dealing with the cult

-snip-

This video has been used extensively by the Scientology Freezone. What isn't usually mentioned is that this person did the Comm Course at a Ron's Orgs Training Camp. Of course he was handled with "kid gloves."

Ron's Orgs is these folks:

http://galac-patra.narod.ru/index.html

If someone wants to do the Comm Course in a relatively sane environment, it will take some searching.

Anyone - other than a semi-celebrity from a TV station - will, eventually, be pressured to dust off his credit card, and get on the Bridge to Xenu.
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
I spent many hours years ago transcribing that show. Here are English sub-titles (scroll down the article) for the show if you don't want to watch the whole thing. There are sub-titles there in several other languages we did too.

http://scientology.wikia.com/wiki/Channel4doc_en

Whoops. It's easier to read the transcript than the sub-titles. I just wanted to show how much work I put into it, including doing a hat write-up on how to do subtitling. :)

Transcript: http://scientology.wikia.com/wiki/Channel4doc

Paul
 
This video has been used extensively by the Scientology Freezone. What isn't usually mentioned is that this person did the Comm Course at a Ron's Orgs Training Camp. Of course he was handled with "kid gloves."

Ron's Orgs is these folks:

http://galac-patra.narod.ru/index.html

If someone wants to do the Comm Course in a relatively sane environment, it will take some searching.

Anyone - other than a semi-celebrity from a TV station - will, eventually, be pressured to dust off his credit card, and get on the Bridge to Xenu.

Yes but anyone who has visited this board, was warned about the high pressure sales, and still pulls out a credit card, deserves to lose his or her money on principle alone.
 

uniquemand

Unbeliever
Well, I agree, inasfar as ANYONE deserves to be abused, it's the person who is warned, has read all the details of the abuse, and still volunteers for it.
 

alex

Gold Meritorious Patron
Well, I agree, inasfar as ANYONE deserves to be abused, it's the person who is warned, has read all the details of the abuse, and still volunteers for it.

Think about it....If I were a young anon type, I would certainly want to try something like this. Not that he is anon....

It would be an adventure!

It was an adventure for me to walk into the building of what I knew to be a cult 30+ years ago.... still is sometimes.

I'm the curious type.

This guy seems to be too.

I doubt he will get too abused. Disillusioned perhaps. Out a few bucks.

I hope he finds a well run comm course. It can be so much fun in a busy course room...and with a lot of people on TR's!

Remember the excitement! and the bullbaiting! And the inevitable cute persons of the opposite gender to make it even more difficult to concentrate!

Its not so hard to understand why young people join the Sea Org....
 

dexter gelfand

Patron Meritorious
Evaluating importances

Woah wait. Freezoners recommended you take a Scientology course provided BY Co$? I think you've been had. Doesn't seem likely the Freezone would recommend people go to Co$ to learn Scientology. (sry Freezone if I am getting this wrong, I am under the impression you guys don't associate with Co$, except for convincing people to leave and practice Scientology without paying away their life).

Actually, many of us Freezoners are Scientologists first and CoS whistle-blowers after. If Esion has a choice of not experiencing a TR's course in the foreseeable future, or going in forewarned about the organization, with his eyes open, to simply experience the gains of drilling TR's, I think most of us independent Scientologists would not act to discourage or prevent that experience, It would be self-indulgent, at Esion's expense, and the majority of us are above such irresponsibility.

3rdman, as you are a member of Anonymous, I think it is particularly important for you to distinguish between Scientology and CoS management. I myself have little confidence in the state of CoS tech, but I recognize that in general, most staff, particularly lower echelon, are hard-working and well-intended, if misguided about management and the purity of their tech, and hopefully are capable of delivering a basic TR's course without deviating badly enough to disallow substantial gains. I would not recommend CoS before any of the trusted independent practitioners I know of, especially for auditing or auditor training, for sure.

Regards,
Dex
 

ILived1984!

Patron with Honors
CNCML, this story is awesome! :)

Indeed, people practice self help activities all the time. Some of my closest friends would be considered super OT's, but they re not Scn, just posses various degress of logic, rationale, energy, a love for life and the moment and making the best of times. What else do you need? :confused2: Aside from beer...

I was down in Ponce Puerto Rico on business in the early 90s, It was a Thursday; I was waiting for a package to delivered to my client's facility which I needed in order to finish my assignment on Friday and catch my scheduled flight from San Juan Friday evening. Late Thursday Afternoon, I was informed by FedEx that the package would not arrive until Monday Morning. I could not get a room at only decent hotel in Ponce at the time over the weekend and needed to return my rental car to San Juan anyway, since they would not allow me to extend my rental either, without hitting me with a huge fee since it was right in the middle of tourist season.

By time I got up to San Juan Friday afternoon in was pouring rain and the weekend rental car rates were a total ripoff. I happen to look at a monitor which had weather reports for the surrounding islands and noticed St. Thomas looked Sunny, as I was rescheduling my return flight I asked if any flights were leaving to St. Thomas. I was informed one was leaving in 30 minutes and the cost of the round trip flight was roughly what the cost of a single day car rental for Saturday if I stayed in San Juan.

Needless to say I caught the flight to beautiful St. Thomas but was still stressed out about, my circumstances and having to wait until Monday to finish my assignment. I happened to get a room at a motel within walking distance from the airport which even came with a free complimentary drink at it's Tiki Bar overlooking the ocean, and was about half the price of the room I would have been staying at in rainy St Juan. After I checked in, I unloaded by two pieces of luggage changed into beach wear and proceeded to have that complimentary drink, as I waited for the drink to arrive, nervously tapping my foot, and after about the third time I looked at my wrist to check the time, each time noticing that I left my watch back in the room. I finally asked a local who was also sitting at the bar "What time it was" He paused for a moment, gave me a look as if I was crazy, then looked up at the sky and said "Daytime" Well from that moment on I was relaxed as could be and the rest of my trip was an absolute pleasure. It's almost twenty years later I still do not wear a watch.

Now if I was in Scientology, I would be claiming my OT powers got me to St. Thomas and I would be thanking Ron, for the local in the bar bitchslapping me into present time.

The point I'm making, it's not Scientology that changed my emotional state that day or is helping other change their emotional state either. It is basic self help concepts routinely practiced by many people, most without even knowing it. Hubbard happen to package them so he could manipulate people with them and sell them as Scientology. Yes Scientology is a con

Hip Hip Hooray and Thanks Ron for being such a douche bag
 

RolandRB

Rest in Peace
Oh yeah. All those cute Sea Org members! Cute. Right.

Paul

If they are young females wearing LRH-designed hotpants then yes. Especially if they are CMO members relaying orders, are beautiful with budding breasts and convey Command Intention by screaming at you and spitting in your face. :prettyplease:
 
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