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So, I'm taking a course at a Mission today.

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
There was some sort of computer system (NOT a a computer geek here) called MERC (forget what that acranyn stood for - sorry about my spelling people !)

It was short for "MERCURY", which was a fake acronym. It was the comm system, their internal proprietary email system. The letters in MERCURY had words attached to them, but it looked very much like they decided on the name first, and then dug up appropriate words to fit. Something like "Management Electronic Relay of Communications not Urine on Ron's Y-Fronts," but I might have got part of that wrong.

There were a whole bunch of applications. The one containing all the policies and bulletins and so forth was called SIR, Source Information Retrieval.

Because the application that got the most use was the MERCURY one, phrases like "I've got 283 mercs to answer before I go home" were widespread. And by the normal language creep process we soon had ones like "He's on the merc most of the day."

The word-processing application they had in use in 1988 when I first got on to the system was WONDERFUL. There was only one font, and the amount of storage one had was pitiful, but it was fast and had some wonderful hot key macros. The keypad to the right of the keyboard (mostly numbers usually) had the buttons taken off and there were plastic cards that fitted over the pegs with the hot key functions marked on them. For example, there was one called "Fill." You highlight the relevant text and hit Ctrl-FILL (hotkey) and it will take out all the extra spaces apart from one space between words and after punctuation marks. Like when you copy and paste an email today into a word-processing program there is often a bunch of white space and even today with MS Word 2007 or Open Office 3.0 there is no easy way to get rid of it. How can that be so fucking hard to program when the CofS was doing it 20 years ago? Lots of other useful macros too that I still miss.

Paul
 

FinallyFree

Gold Meritorious Patron
It was short for "MERCURY", which was a fake acronym. It was the comm system, their internal proprietary email system. The letters in MERCURY had words attached to them, but it looked very much like they decided on the name first, and then dug up appropriate words to fit. Something like "Management Electronic Relay of Communications not Urine on Ron's Y-Fronts," but I might have got part of that wrong.

There were a whole bunch of applications. The one containing all the policies and bulletins and so forth was called SIR, Source Information Retrieval.

Because the application that got the most use was the MERCURY one, phrases like "I've got 283 mercs to answer before I go home" were widespread. And by the normal language creep process we soon had ones like "He's on the merc most of the day."

The word-processing application they had in use in 1988 when I first got on to the system was WONDERFUL. There was only one font, and the amount of storage one had was pitiful, but it was fast and had some wonderful hot key macros. The keypad to the right of the keyboard (mostly numbers usually) had the buttons taken off and there were plastic cards that fitted over the pegs with the hot key functions marked on them. For example, there was one called "Fill." You highlight the relevant text and hit Ctrl-FILL (hotkey) and it will take out all the extra spaces apart from one space between words and after punctuation marks. Like when you copy and paste an email today into a word-processing program there is often a bunch of white space and even today with MS Word 2007 or Open Office 3.0 there is no easy way to get rid of it. How can that be so fucking hard to program when the CofS was doing it 20 years ago? Lots of other useful macros too that I still miss.

Paul

WOW! Thatnks Paul!
 

Esion

Patron
If they quoted you a course price it is probably correct. But they will also require you to buy a course pack, which will be in a shiny cover and unnecessarily expensive. Make sure you ask ahead of time how much that will cost.

Yeah, the course is $103, and the book is $25. Maybe not exactly, but I do know the course is at least $100, and it added up to $128.

Stupid question, but do I get to keep the booklet? Or is it considered sensitive material that isn't allowed to leak out into the public? I mean, I DID (will) pay for it.

It'd be neat to take what I can out of it and try to run the drills with friends. Unless it can't work that way, I haven't actually done them yet... but yeah.
 

FinallyFree

Gold Meritorious Patron
Yeah, the course is $103, and the book is $25. Maybe not exactly, but I do know the course is at least $100, and it added up to $128.

Stupid question, but do I get to keep the booklet? Or is it considered sensitive material that isn't allowed to leak out into the public? I mean, I DID (will) pay for it.

It'd be neat to take what I can out of it and try to run the drills with friends. Unless it can't work that way, I haven't actually done them yet... but yeah.


LOL! You keep the "course pack" but the checksheet you use will be provided by the org. When you are done you don't get to keep the checklist - it gets filed into your "student file"
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
Well, maybe I use the term 'bullbait' incorrectly.

I just want to beat them at their own game. Maybe tell a joke to get them to laugh and flunk them. It'd just be funny in the same way a student correcting a teacher is.

I've made a strong attempt to stay "on the down low" during these posts. I figured OSA would be reading these. What would they do? I'm a legitimately curious fresh piece of meat. If anything, I'd hope it'd inspire them to give me more attention and make my experience even better; in hopes I take another course. :thumbsup:

See, I'd been HOPING that you were hoping that a staff member would coach you on TRO bullbait...alas.

Here's the thing about individual staff members at missions (and Class V orgs, too). They are rarely party to the abuses and problems in CofS. Yes, they tend to be naive. Heads in the sand sometimes. Indoctrinated, too. But most are honest caring people who just want to deliver tech and who often genuinely like the people who come to the missions and orgs to take courses or receive auditing. Some staff are just trying to finish out their contracts, do their work and keep their heads down as the organization has been known to expell people just for breaking contract and these people don't want to lose their friends and families. A lot of them are getting screwed over by the cult on a daily basis.

I'm not against your taking the comm course but I am not sanguine about your view of staff members and wanting to fuck with them which is what you've indicated here. I'd like you to keep what I said in mind.

There is nothing wrong with making them laugh during bullbait, if you are being the coach. But talking about "beating them" when, in fact, you are going to be dealing with the lowest echelon (and probably most insulated and, IMO, decent) staff that can be found anywhere in CofS- is not so good, IMO.

Also, in bullbait, one coaches realistically. It's not about telling jokes. It's about preparing the person for auditing mainly and to a lesser extent for life situations. The TRs bulletin says to coach realistically which means to have the goal and use of the TRs in mind. So, often, in coaching, the coach keeps in mind things that might happen in a session that the pc might do (and that can be all sorts of things so it's not as much of a limitation as it sounds) or what a person might do in real life. Generally when a person is in a situation that tests his or her composure and he's trying to hold on to it, it's not because someone's telling a joke- it's because someone is saying or doing something that affects the other person.

If you haven't had therapy anywhere, you'll have, I'm sure, seen scenes in the movies, tv, etc. Someone being counselled may start crying, laughing, get mad. He may recount some terrible thing that happened to him once. THAT is what TRO bullbait is for. It is also for keeping one's cool in life situations. Here's an example. I had a friend who was very upset and about to lose her home and marriage. We were talking. She was crying. She started talking about their sex life, too. Of course I didn't sit there like a block of wood- that's not what keeping one's TRS in is. But I didn't start sniggering and giggling either. That's an example of use of TRs in life.

I hope you develop some compassion sometime before you start course.
 

Terril park

Sponsor
Yeah, the course is $103, and the book is $25. Maybe not exactly, but I do know the course is at least $100, and it added up to $128.

Stupid question, but do I get to keep the booklet? Or is it considered sensitive material that isn't allowed to leak out into the public? I mean, I DID (will) pay for it.

It'd be neat to take what I can out of it and try to run the drills with friends. Unless it can't work that way, I haven't actually done them yet... but yeah.

The booklet is yours! I have one. Its probably all over the net unless people don't consider it interesting enough. Its the best whatever time you could spend on anything. Do it for yourself.

Then become an ex. :)
 

CornPie

Patron Meritorious
...As has been mentioned, any student who finishes a course is expected to commit to taking the next one...However, I have not seen that you have to completely or even partially PAY for the next service...

...Then the only hassle that may result is that they do tend to call and call and write and write...

...I hope you give them phony information so that they can't do that. Or open a PO box and later close it with no forwarding address. Something like that...
I am speaking to "ALL". My replies are not just for Esion, they probably already know who he is anyway. But if you are reading this (days, weeks, years) into the future -- they would not know who you are -- and it is mainly to you, who I am directing this -- those just stumbling upon this information.

I don't want nor expect personal replies from Esion or fluffy about this post.

If like Esion, you have made the decision to screw with and deceive scientology, know that OSA's army of Private Investigators (PI's) are not naive. The resources are amazing, and endless -- do not believe "anything" you hear to the contrary (even if trolls attempt to dismiss this reply, or ridicule me).

PI's always travel minimally in two's, and shockingly they're somebody different almost every time, other than your "new best buddy" who may be a plant.

OSA/PI's are not stupid enough to fall for a PO box under a fake name (if that were even legal). OSA's PI's will follow you to the (government or private) post office, they'll watch to see which box you open, talk to the people who work there, fast-talk their way into getting permission to look at your mail, monitor your phone calls, cell phones, text messages, in an effort to ascertain who your connections are. They are extremely proficient, nasty and CIA-like, with unlimited law-enforcement-like resources. They will know "who" you are, there's no way around that, and trying to circumvent it will set off a red flag. They'll know everything about you; look at your trash, what you eat, where you shop, your friends and family. And once you've "ever" dealt with scientology, your life will never be the same, and not for the better.

That said, if you still want to deceive and screw with scientology, read on.

My assumption at this point, is you don't have the money to buy your way up the bridge, in which case they'll want you on staff. Either way, what scientology wants is your "life". I have already mentioned not pre-paying for another course. Plus, I would not "agree" to taking any other courses either. Mainly, just don't sign anything, ever. Because I suspect they'll construe your signature as an IOU, it will just give them one more reason to f*** with you. And that's what scientology does best. But you'd never know it, because they never give you time to read anything, no copies of anything you sign -- they'll say what's the matter don't you "trust" me -- which is just another scientology head-f***. And that's what scientology does best.

But no doubt about it, you can "start" their Communications Course without signing up for a 2nd course, you may even derive some benefits, but they will never "pass" you out of it, "never". And I don't need to hear about any policies on this either. The fact is, they will find a reason to hold you back, until they've gotten their meat-hooks further into you, as shown by pre-payments or further commitments from you. Please prove it out, either way, and report back to this ESMB thread.

If you are particularly difficult, while you're still on the Comm Course, they may pressure you into reading the Keeping scientology Working (KSW) policy. That's part of their indoctrination -- which one way or another, you will be required to embrace scientology above all others, before progressing any further. KSW is the one where your owe your allegiance to scientology, before your job, before even your government. (You can then lie to anybody, as long as it's for scientology's greater good, to achieve these objectives, as mankind's last chance to protect the universe, and in defense of invisible body thetans (BT's), which their stupid-ass OT-3's actually believe.)

As has been stated in this thread, never complain to anybody about scientology, not your friends, not to reges, or the people who harass you with phone calls. Or you will be routed to ethics.

Lastly, lots of people have put you on notice about scientology's reg'ing. I'd like to hear audio tapes of this, as long as it's legal in your location. But if you do this, don't confide about it with "anybody". If you listen to the audio, be sure to do so with headphones. Then one day, put the screws to scientology, and upload the .mp3 audio files of the reging, ethics handles, etc. -- to the Internet. My suggestion would be to procure any such equipment in advance, before getting in touch with scientology. Don't do anything illegal.
 
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Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
http://www.xenutv.com/trust/trdemo.htm

This is a reasonably accurate demo of TRs up to TR-4. Stacy's coaching is better than Jessie's. The STCC TRs after OT TR-0, TR-0 and TR-0 Bullbait are different and relate to general life and not specifically an auditing session like the ones being shown here. But they will give you an idea of what is involved, if you are interested.

Don't tell the people in the mission that you saw this video or else you won't get to finish the course there. :)

Paul
 

skollie

Silver Meritorious Patron
Originally Posted by skollie
Esion

If you read some of the stories on this board, many will bring you to tears for what ex members have gone through.
There are members who have been disconnected from loved ones,(see Mandy's mom), spent months on RPF and had loved ones die there, (see Uwe Stuckenbrock), and you come here asking advise on doing a course with them? Why oh why, after all the information available regarding SCO, would you willingly want to go and do a course?
I just want to point out to EVERYONE on this thread that advice was ASKED for and is being given. I find it VERY telling that there posts here bashing the people giving advice (or just simply making snide little comments and digs on the posts warning about scn abuses). As I am no longer a scienologist I speak my mind now that I am the one who is controlling it. I will give my advice. I will give my opinion. scientology no longer controls what I think or what I am willing to say out loud. I WILL discuss what happened to me in scientology. I will "tell all" and I will not be silenced by other posters here who hint at any con-scientology posts are insincere. Don't be fooled. I, and many other like me, speak from PERSONAL EXPERIENCES you can't change that. You can't erase it and you can't make it go away. You also can not twist that into a pro-scientology message, no matter what you say or how you say it.

Not even assulting protesters will shut us up.

I'm sorry if my comments came across as snide as that was not my intention. They were very sincere in pointing out what some exes have endured in the past and shock that someone would still willingly sign up to do a course at an Org.
Like you, I was just giving my advise. :coolwink:
 
Also, in bullbait, one coaches realistically. It's not about telling jokes. It's about preparing the person for auditing mainly and to a lesser extent for life situations. The TRs bulletin says to coach realistically which means to have the goal and use of the TRs in mind.

I have to say that was not my experience of it. Everything from stupid jokes, being screamed at, explicit pornographic descriptions, up to and including minor physical violence - being grabbed by the throat and similar.

Here's an example. I had a friend who was very upset and about to lose her home and marriage. We were talking. She was crying. She started talking about their sex life, too. Of course I didn't sit there like a block of wood- that's not what keeping one's TRS in is. But I didn't start sniggering and giggling either. That's an example of use of TRs in life.

No, that's just being a good friend. You don't need to do a course to be able to do that and I am quite sure you'd have managed it just fine had you never done the com course.
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
Here is a page from the middle of my online TR course. This is on the student (user) being bull-baited. Generic bullbaiting is never as good as personal bullbaiting, but it's better than nothing. The page talks about "movies." In this bullbaiting section, they are audio only. They are Flash movies, .swf, because of the small file size. Full instructions come earlier than this page, so you have been dropped in the middle.

Subjects taken up are the user's appearance; sex and 2D; bodies; blood and guts; miscellaneous.

I spent well over a hundred hours creating that online TRs course, but never finished it. It was VERY hard to put together.

http://fzglobal.org/robot/TRs0-4/TR0BB_student_21.htm

Paul
 

alex

Gold Meritorious Patron
I am speaking to "ALL". My replies are not just for Esion, they probably already know who he is anyway. But if you are reading this (days, weeks, years) into the future -- they would not know who you are -- and it is mainly to you, who I am directing this -- those just stumbling upon this information.

I don't want nor expect personal replies from Esion or fluffy about this post.

If like Esion, you have made the decision to screw with and deceive scientology, know that OSA's army of Private Investigators (PI's) are not naive. The resources are amazing, and endless -- do not believe "anything" you hear to the contrary (even if trolls attempt to dismiss this reply, or ridicule me).

PI's always travel minimally in two's, and shockingly they're somebody different almost every time, other than your "new best buddy" who may be a plant.

OSA/PI's are not stupid enough to fall for a PO box under a fake name (if that were even legal). OSA's PI's will follow you to the (government or private) post office, they'll watch to see which box you open, talk to the people who work there, fast-talk their way into getting permission to look at your mail, monitor your phone calls, cell phones, text messages, in an effort to ascertain who your connections are. They are extremely proficient, nasty and CIA-like, with unlimited law-enforcement-like resources. They will know "who" you are, there's no way around that, and trying to circumvent it will set off a red flag. They'll know everything about you; look at your trash, what you eat, where you shop, your friends and family. And once you've "ever" dealt with scientology, your life will never be the same, and not for the better.

That said, if you still want to deceive and screw with scientology, read on.

My assumption at this point, is you don't have the money to buy your way up the bridge, in which case they'll want you on staff. Either way, what scientology wants is your "life". I have already mentioned not pre-paying for another course. Plus, I would not "agree" to taking any other courses either. Mainly, just don't sign anything, ever. Because I suspect they'll construe your signature as an IOU, it will just give them one more reason to f*** with you. And that's what scientology does best. But you'd never know it, because they never give you time to read anything, no copies of anything you sign -- they'll say what's the matter don't you "trust" me -- which is just another scientology head-f***. And that's what scientology does best.

But no doubt about it, you can "start" their Communications Course without signing up for a 2nd course, you may even derive some benefits, but they will never "pass" you out of it, "never". And I don't need to hear about any policies on this either. The fact is, they will find a reason to hold you back, until they've gotten their meat-hooks further into you, as shown by pre-payments or further commitments from you. Please prove it out, either way, and report back to this ESMB thread.

If you are particularly difficult, while you're still on the Comm Course, they may pressure you into reading the Keeping scientology Working (KSW) policy. That's part of their indoctrination -- which one way or another, you will be required to embrace scientology above all others, before progressing any further. KSW is the one where your owe your allegiance to scientology, before your job, before even your government. (You can then lie to anybody, as long as it's for scientology's greater good, to achieve these objectives, as mankind's last chance to protect the universe, and in defense of invisible body thetans (BT's), which their stupid-ass OT-3's actually believe.)

As has been stated in this thread, never complain to anybody about scientology, not your friends, not to reges, or the people who harass you with phone calls. Or you will be routed to ethics.

Lastly, lots of people have put you on notice about scientology's reg'ing. I'd like to hear audio tapes of this, as long as it's legal in your location. But if you do this, don't confide about it with "anybody". If you listen to the audio, be sure to do so with headphones. Then one day, put the screws to scientology, and upload the .mp3 audio files of the reging, ethics handles, etc. -- to the Internet. My suggestion would be to procure any such equipment in advance, before getting in touch with scientology. Don't do anything illegal.

Have you been able to deal with the hidden cameras the cia/scientology has placed in your house yet? Or are they watching your every move still?

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=246711&postcount=271

At least you must be draining their resources to with the 24/7 PI's and video monitoring!

I just wish you could tell us what you did to get such a response from them.
 

clamicide

Gold Meritorious Patron
I have to say that was not my experience of it. Everything from stupid jokes, being screamed at, explicit pornographic descriptions, up to and including minor physical violence - being grabbed by the throat and similar


Ok...in Div 6 it was a stretch, but honestly, almost ANYTHING done with bullbait would have been realistic if you are training an auditor. Seriously. The craziest shit a coach came up with was....yeah, *yawn, been there, heard that*. What was this thread about?
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
I have to say that was not my experience of it. Everything from stupid jokes, being screamed at, explicit pornographic descriptions, up to and including minor physical violence - being grabbed by the throat and similar.

That's not realistic coaching per the bulletin. I would call that "non standard" in most cases.


No, that's just being a good friend. You don't need to do a course to be able to do that and I am quite sure you'd have managed it just fine had you never done the com course.

Sure. But I didn't say that I'd not have been able to sit with her and listen had I not done the comm course and if I implied that, I surely didn't mean to. My reason for commenting as I did was that this is an example of a life situation in which TRs would be applicable and helpful. You know, Scn isn't the only ology/ism thingie that has drills and exercises for maintaining composure.
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
What I find a bit odd or maybe disappointing are the many posts on various forums by people who felt something from doing TRs and other drills or getting auditing. Of course you're gonna feel something. And it's not always going to be comfortable.
 

FinallyFree

Gold Meritorious Patron
I'm sorry if my comments came across as snide as that was not my intention. They were very sincere in pointing out what some exes have endured in the past and shock that someone would still willingly sign up to do a course at an Org.
Like you, I was just giving my advise. :coolwink:

It's all good :thumbsup: - sorry if I made the focus of my rant seem like it was on you. I feel very strongly about some things scientology than others. And I definitely speak more freely here. My post was not singularly directed at you and I WANT people to express their opinions and give their advice. It just pisses me off when I see a post that discourages others from posting their negative opinion of scientology – even if it is only a hint or snide remark.

:yes:
 

alex

Gold Meritorious Patron
It's all good :thumbsup: - sorry if I made the focus of my rant seem like it was on you. I feel very strongly about some things scientology than others. And I definitely speak more freely here. My post was not singularly directed at you and I WANT people to express their opinions and give their advice. It just pisses me off when I see a post that discourages others from posting their negative opinion of scientology – even if it is only a hint or snide remark.

:yes:

But it doesnt piss you off the hints or snide remarks directed at people who post a positive opinion.

There is a wide range of opinion on this board. I dont believe there is an mandatory positive or negative one.
 

Esion

Patron
See, I'd been HOPING that you were hoping that a staff member would coach you on TRO bullbait...alas.

Here's the thing about individual staff members at missions (and Class V orgs, too). They are rarely party to the abuses and problems in CofS. Yes, they tend to be naive. Heads in the sand sometimes. Indoctrinated, too. But most are honest caring people who just want to deliver tech and who often genuinely like the people who come to the missions and orgs to take courses or receive auditing. Some staff are just trying to finish out their contracts, do their work and keep their heads down as the organization has been known to expell people just for breaking contract and these people don't want to lose their friends and families. A lot of them are getting screwed over by the cult on a daily basis.

I'm not against your taking the comm course but I am not sanguine about your view of staff members and wanting to fuck with them which is what you've indicated here. I'd like you to keep what I said in mind.

There is nothing wrong with making them laugh during bullbait, if you are being the coach. But talking about "beating them" when, in fact, you are going to be dealing with the lowest echelon (and probably most insulated and, IMO, decent) staff that can be found anywhere in CofS- is not so good, IMO.

Also, in bullbait, one coaches realistically. It's not about telling jokes. It's about preparing the person for auditing mainly and to a lesser extent for life situations. The TRs bulletin says to coach realistically which means to have the goal and use of the TRs in mind. So, often, in coaching, the coach keeps in mind things that might happen in a session that the pc might do (and that can be all sorts of things so it's not as much of a limitation as it sounds) or what a person might do in real life. Generally when a person is in a situation that tests his or her composure and he's trying to hold on to it, it's not because someone's telling a joke- it's because someone is saying or doing something that affects the other person.

If you haven't had therapy anywhere, you'll have, I'm sure, seen scenes in the movies, tv, etc. Someone being counselled may start crying, laughing, get mad. He may recount some terrible thing that happened to him once. THAT is what TRO bullbait is for. It is also for keeping one's cool in life situations. Here's an example. I had a friend who was very upset and about to lose her home and marriage. We were talking. She was crying. She started talking about their sex life, too. Of course I didn't sit there like a block of wood- that's not what keeping one's TRS in is. But I didn't start sniggering and giggling either. That's an example of use of TRs in life.

I hope you develop some compassion sometime before you start course.

I understand what you mean. They are still people. I am going to go into the course with a completely open mind and try to get as much as one possibly could get out of it. I am paying for it, afterall.

By "beating them", I simply mean causing them to legitimately flunk, to see if the person teaching me is in fact competent enough with the material to be teaching it. I wasn't planning to be like "I bet Xenu molested you!" or anything.

I'll give an update on my first day on course, next week.
 

CornPie

Patron Meritorious
...I am going to go into the course with a completely open mind and try to get as much as one possibly could get out of it. I am paying for it, afterall...

I'll give an update on my first day on course, next week.
This is so much f***ing fun.

Esion, I'm looking forward to reading your "open minded" updates, as things unfold.

I'm also looking forward to reading, many-many, "closed minded" updates -- from others down the road -- who are out to screw with, harass, deceive and legally gang-f*** scientology. And if you ever need any encouragement, don't hesitate to ask. No really, I mean it, it's no trouble at all. So don't hesitate to ask. No matter how small, or insignificant it may seem.
 
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